BH Photo's warehouse conditions worse than Amazon's?

[CZroe]

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No idea what you are talking about.

I pointed out that people were jumping to conclusions based on initial claims while pointing to a prior incident where people did the exact same thing leading to a Presidential gaffe that people are still refusing to acknowledge.

 

[Ns1]

"Hey maggot, move this shit in front of the emergency door so I can take a picture and post it on internet forums"

"thanks maggot, now move that shit back"

If you mean this pic of the green "emergency exit" door,

the wood in the foreground is a handrail. Sloppy picture-taking on my part. The door is legal. Nothing blocks it. The distance between the handrail and the wall on the right in the pic is legal.

 

[Paladin3]

I volunteer as an impartial observer to inspect the B&H warehouse (especially the Nikon equipment aisle) and investigate these claims of inhumane working conditions. All I need is a guarantee that the over-sized pockets of the photographer's vest I'll be wearing is NOT to be searched as I leave the facility.

What do you say, Henry?

 

[Exterous]

"Hey maggot, move this shit in front of the emergency door so I can take a picture and post it on internet forums"

"thanks maggot, now move that shit back"

My first thought was that something was in the way but if you look closely at the bottom part you'll see its 2x4s screwed together which would more likely indicate a railing of some sort as opposed to a stack of movable stuff. It also looks like there is yellow tape on the ground which commonly denotes areas to 'not put crap' (You can see a tiny bit crossing a T to the line parallel to the door. I suspect there is a large taped rectangle)

 

[Ns1]

My first thought was that something was in the way but if you look closely at the bottom part you'll see its 2x4s screwed together which would more likely indicate a railing of some sort as opposed to a stack of movable stuff. It also looks like there is yellow tape on the ground which commonly denotes areas to 'not put crap' (You can see a tiny bit crossing a T to the line parallel to the door. I suspect there is a large taped rectangle)

What you're missing is the before pic

 

[Brian Stirling]

That's probably a wall or barrier near some equipment. I'm sure there are markings on the floor showing where you can put things and that stuff gets inspected by the fire department. The perspective doesn't show for certain but I would guess that it clears.

Posted before seeing Henry's reply...


Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

If you mean this pic of the green "emergency exit" door,

the wood in the foreground is a handrail. Sloppy picture-taking on my part. The door is legal. Nothing blocks it. The distance between the handrail and the wall on the right in the pic is legal.

Henry, thanks for the clarification -- hey, angle and FOV matter... 🙂


Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

What you're missing is the before pic

Yeah, there's no way that's legal and that's dangerous. Jesus, I can't even keep up with this ... one minute a photo looks bad then the next minute Henry comes back with a clarification about camera angle, and now this picture that can't be explained away.

Just over a hundred years ago the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire killed almost 150 people, mostly Jewish and Italian women. Most of those that died did so because the exits were blocked. Some, with no where else to go, jumped to there death much like those in the WTC on 9/11.

Henry, fix that shit and make 100% sure it never happens again!


Brian

 

[cubby1223]

I know there are a lot of photographers here, and B&H Photo has a formidable online presence. According to workers, warehouse conditions are horrific, and the feds are investigating:

link

Apparently, B&H is no stranger to violation accusations:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/92977-bh-photo-employees-say-not-everything-picture-perfect/

Unfortunately, this is what it takes to compete against Amazon in the marketplace. Reality is customers only care about low prices.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Unfortunately, this is what it takes to compete against Amazon in the marketplace. Reality is customers only care about low prices.

B&H was never the lowest price around but they made there reputation on being trust worthy as opposed to places with 47th street in there name. B&H does huge volume and anyone that's been in there 34th street store, a full city block in size, can tell you.


Brian

 

[Oyeve]

I miss J&R music world on park row. They had their crap together and much better prices.

 

[fenrir]

What you're missing is the before pic

Considering they are pictures of different doors, there is no "before" pic.

 

[Ns1]

Considering they are pictures of different doors, there is no "before" pic.

of course not, why would they want to take pictures of their incriminating behavior?

as I stated, "maggot, move this shit for me so I can take a picture and post it to the internet"

 

[CZroe]

Yeah, there's no way that's legal and that's dangerous. Jesus, I can't even keep up with this ... one minute a photo looks bad then the next minute Henry comes back with a clarification about camera angle, and now this picture that can't be explained away.

Just over a hundred years ago the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire killed almost 150 people, mostly Jewish and Italian women. Most of those that died did so because the exits were blocked. Some, with no where else to go, jumped to there death much like those in the WTC on 9/11.

Henry, fix that shit and make 100% sure it never happens again!


Brian

LOL! I hope you are joking. That pic has nothing to do with B&H. How is it that this pic "can't be explained away" again?! What was that I said about jumping to conclusions?! :awe:

 

[CPA]

Yeah, there's no way that's legal and that's dangerous. Jesus, I can't even keep up with this ... one minute a photo looks bad then the next minute Henry comes back with a clarification about camera angle, and now this picture that can't be explained away.

Just over a hundred years ago the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire killed almost 150 people, mostly Jewish and Italian women. Most of those that died did so because the exits were blocked. Some, with no where else to go, jumped to there death much like those in the WTC on 9/11.

Henry, fix that shit and make 100% sure it never happens again!


Brian

Brian, do you really think B&H buys and sells Del Monte bananas? (hint: look at the two boxes middle right). C'mon man.

 

[Imp]

What you're missing is the before pic

Oh, come on. You're being too hard. Once there's an actual fire, Hulk Smash!

 

[CZroe]

If you read between the lines, it's clear that these people were demanding additional shift-wide breaks in addition to the midday breaks, they got denied, so they trumped up all this BS.

They are probably allowed water/restroom breaks whenever they require it but their production (picks/cases/pulls/replens per hour) goes down while they aren't working. The production standard is intended to be demanding. If you can't cut it and still have time for the restroom and water while on the clock then you simply aren't fast enough. Weeding you out so they can hire someone who is is precisely why the production standard exists.

Hot, cold, and dusty are just the realities of warehouses. I'd like to see the broken backs they describe ("backbreaking") and the always-on bloody nose that suddenly requires imaginary blood in front of the reporter. If fiberglass was truly "causing constant nosebleeds, rashes, obscured vision and breathing problems" then surely the doctor that concluded that would have released a statement. Warehouse work makes you sore. So does old age. Your whole body hurts? Maybe you're too old for this.

 

[Grooveriding]

If you read between the lines, it's clear that these people were demanding additional shift-wide breaks in addition to the midday breaks, they got denied, so they trumped up all this BS.

They are probably allowed water/restroom breaks whenever they require it but their production (picks/cases/pulls/replens per hour) goes down while they aren't working. The production standard is intended to be demanding. If you can't cut it and still have time for the restroom and water while on the clock then you simply aren't fast enough. Weeding you out so they can hire someone who is is precisely why the production standard exists.

Hot, cold, and dusty are just the realities of warehouses. I'd like to see the broken backs they describe ("backbreaking") and the always-on bloody nose that suddenly requires imaginary blood in front of the reporter. If fiberglass was truly "causing constant nosebleeds, rashes, obscured vision and breathing problems" then surely the doctor that concluded that would have released a statement. Warehouse work makes you sore. So does old age. Your whole body hurts? Maybe you're too old for this.

You seem awfully invested in needing to defend some scumbag company mistreating workers for their financial benefit. What's the deal ? Own stock or do you just love cameras ? 😀

History tells us that these sorts of allegations are almost always true. Workers have jobs on the line which translates to their food and shelter. Risking that to make up a wild story generally doesn't fit. Your 'reading between the lines' narrative is just your own personal fantasy to remove blame from some rotten company.

Sounds you like own stock or have some stake in all this with how hard you've been trying to defend this company....

 

[CZroe]

You seem awfully invested in needing to defend some scumbag company mistreating workers for their financial benefit. What's the deal ? Own stock or do you just love cameras ? 😀

History tells us that these sorts of allegations are almost always true. Workers have jobs on the line which translates to their food and shelter. Risking that to make up a wild story generally doesn't fit. Your 'reading between the lines' narrative is just your own personal fantasy to remove blame from some rotten company.

Sounds you like own stock or have some stake in all this with how hard you've been trying to defend this company....

Cool clock, Ahmed.

I ordered a couple 4TB Hitachi HDDs from them once.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Brian, do you really think B&H buys and sells Del Monte bananas? (hint: look at the two boxes middle right). C'mon man.

OK, so what is an unrelated picture doing here? I guess my eyesight isn't what it used to be but I could not see banana boxes just boxes and crates.

If this is someone's idea of a joke to inject an unrelated picture into this discussion then let me say that's not even close to funny. Frankly, for someone to knowingly pretend this to be B&H they could be liable for legal action and I wouldn't blame B&H for going after them for doing it.

I've worked in an industry that if they ever caught you or anyone blocking an exit like that they'd pull that crap away so they could push you out it with the instructions to never come back. We had a contractor do something about that bad and we stopped them and sent them home in what we call a "stand down" and it cost the contractor somewhere between $50K and $100K. That's a serious thing and it would be nice if more companies paid more than lip services to it.

If the doors of the Triangle Shirtwaist factory had not been blocked it's likely that few of the workers would have died and they died horribly. This is not something to joke about -- ever!


Brian

 

[Ns1]

Lol at legal action.

All I did was post a pic. You filled out the blanks by yourself

I found this all hilarious btw

 

[CZroe]

OK, so what is an unrelated picture doing here? I guess my eyesight isn't what it used to be but I could not see banana boxes just boxes and crates.



If this is someone's idea of a joke to inject an unrelated picture into this discussion then let me say that's not even close to funny. Frankly, for someone to knowingly pretend this to be B&H they could be liable for legal action and I wouldn't blame B&H for going after them for doing it.



I've worked in an industry that if they ever caught you or anyone blocking an exit like that they'd pull that crap away so they could push you out it with the instructions to never come back. We had a contractor do something about that bad and we stopped them and sent them home in what we call a "stand down" and it cost the contractor somewhere between $50K and $100K. That's a serious thing and it would be nice if more companies paid more than lip services to it.



If the doors of the Triangle Shirtwaist factory had not been blocked it's likely that few of the workers would have died and they died horribly. This is not something to joke about -- ever!





Brian

You didn't even stop to wonder how he had a "before picture" or why there would even BE a "before picture." Also, the "after" pic was brought up by someone else.

It was an obvious joke but you demonstrated the same problem as those taking the initial claims at face value: gullibility.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Lol at legal action.

All I did was post a pic. You filled out the blanks by yourself

I found this all hilarious btw

Yeah, it hilarious, a real scream!


Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

You didn't even stop to wonder how he had a "before picture" or why there would even BE a "before picture." Also, the "after" pic was brought up by someone else.

It was an obvious joke but you demonstrated the same problem as those taking the initial claims at face value: gullibility.

I had no involvement with the production of ANY of the pictures so how could I know which pictures were legitimate or not. It was obvious the second picture was a different door as the signage on the door is different, but with a smallish picture of generally low resolution it's not that easy to discern little details particularly if you don't have 20 year old eyes any longer.

I would not be so quick to dismiss the possibility that B&H might take legal action -- I doubt it, but I'd bet they have some pretty decent attorneys on retainer...


Brian

 

[Ns1]

I'm impressed by how many words you have typed in this thread.