BFG 6800GT and DVI **EXPOSED**

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: rickshobbies
So, with the 6800 GT you have a DVI limitation and with the Ultra you have image degradation if you are using an analog monitor and the DVI adapter?

It seems to be the case that buying any nVidia video card leaves you with most likely a poor DVI signal resulting in poor quality image. You may get lucky but the odds are against you and you are laying out $400-500 for that pleasure.

hahaha it goes from BFG to all NVIDIA cards...

Thats retarted. Its not all NV cards and that article was from OCTOBER 2003!
Apparently SOME BFG GT cards support DVI at 1600x1200 and some ppl are having issues. It also seems that the 59xx series has some issues with the quality of their DVI signal. That is the summary of all of this ramble so quit posting unproven conclusions that the evidence doesnt cover!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: shady06
wow, one of the big reasons i wanted a 6800 GT was cuz i could get a BFG, after this, i think i'll get a PNY

No, you can't. Your only other option is to get a BBA X800pro. :roll:
A little joke for the OP.

 

[vaccarjm]

This thread was started by someone who doesent even own a BFG 6800gt. I can see someone buying the card and not working but this is far from the case.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: vaccarjm
This thread was started by someone who doesent even own a BFG 6800gt. I can see someone buying the card and not working but this is far from the case.

how does he not own one if he has it for sale in the FS/FT section?

 

[Marsumane]

Here is a contradicting thread with proof. Continue this rant there:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1348384&enterthread=y

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Here is a contradicting thread with proof. Continue this rant there

That doesn't make bar81's inability to run 1600x1200 go away. The same for the other 2 guys on hardocps forum.

I guess some people got lucky. But do you really want to roll the dice when buying a $400 graphics card? I'd much rather get a pny or evga.

 

[vaccarjm]

Some people just got lucky? LOL....thats funny.

 

[filmore crashcart]

Interesting.
I just called BFG tech support about this thread. I'm getting the card in Monday - I don't have any concerns, because my lcd's native resolution is 1280x1024 and I didn't pay $400 for the card.

The BFG tech person stated to me that through DVI, resolutions up to 1600x1200 are supported with no other limitations. I asked her again, "Is this through DVI?" Her response was "That is correct." I then told her some people were raising hell at Anand Tech video forum about DVI resolution limitations.

Maybe since they have supposedy 24 hour tech support and I was speaking to someone in a span of 5 minutes, others should call about this problem if they have it.

 

[DPmaster]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

Here is a contradicting thread with proof. Continue this rant there

That doesn't make bar81's inability to run 1600x1200 go away. The same for the other 2 guys on hardocps forum.

I guess some people got lucky. But do you really want to roll the dice when buying a $400 graphics card? I'd much rather get a pny or evga.

bar81 can't run 1600x1200 because his lcd CAN'T do that resolution. His problem isn't whether or not he can run 1600x1200. He even said "since I don't have a 1600x1200 display I can't check that issue". That's not his concern. His problem is that he can't run 1280x768 properly. Either way, I would stay away from the BFG and get a Leadtek (if you're going for a 6800-based card). If Leadtek has similar issues, then you've got bigger problems.

 

[ss284]

Well considering all the posts I've seen from bar81 are that of an ati fanboy and heavily biased, im not suprised this got posted. What I find really funny is that he makes sweeping generalizations, such as:

It seems to be the case that buying any nVidia video card leaves you with most likely a poor DVI signal resulting in poor quality image. You may get lucky but the odds are against you and you are laying out $400-500 for that pleasure.

So I guess there is a greater than 50% chance that the dvi signal on your nvidia video card you just bought is bad. Meaning over HALF OF ALL nvidia cards have bad DVI out. I find that pretty hard to believe, unless bar81 would like to show some proof of these statistics.


I also enjoy the fact that he bridged a small isolated problem (which is questionable at this point) from a single product of one manufacturer into the entire line of cards made by nvidia.

And he complains about manufacturing processes of high end nvidia cards, while he seems to forget the whole AGP 8X problem of early ATI MANUFACTURED 9700 pro v1.0/1.1 cards.

Maybe you should wait and see what happens and think a little before posting the garbage you usually post.


-Steve

 

[Bar81]

Ignoring the collection of idiots posting above here's what I know as of this morning:

I just got off the one with the lead over at BFG and there's some good news, not so good news, and who knows news

1. These cards are produced/outsourced by nVidia so they are reference models. What this should mean is that the quality of the DVI output should not be in question as extremetech has shown that nVidia produced/sourced cards have excellent DVI quality.

2. The max supported resolution for DVI is 1600x1200. BFG acknowledged that wrong information was being disseminated yesterday. All resolutions under 1600x1200 should be available.

3. There IS a definite issue with resolutions above 1280x1024. For some people setting the resolution above that forces a refresh rate under the minimum 60 and causes all kinds of issues as has been reported. The problem report has been forwarded to nvidia and the hope is that it is only a driver issue but nothing is known at this point.

4. *I* believe that the problem with widescreen support is definitely related to incrorrect EDID information of the monitors/TVs. It seems that while ATI smartly reads resolution support off of the monitor driver, nVidia reads the EDID which is often wrong. I requested that nVidia change this and a report of the issue has been forwarded to nVidia by BFG.

So, we're still at square one in some respects and have good news in other areas. The good news is that the DVI quality should be excellent and that the known problems have been forwarded to nVidia for resolution. The bad news is that there are problems for people running resolutions above 1280x768 and non-standard resolutions.

I'm very happy to see that the incorrect information from BFG yesterday was promptly corrected and that BFG is actively trying to fix issues with the card. I definitely wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again given my experience. Hopefully we'll have some answers to the outstanding issues shortly.

 

[Rage187]

BFG screwed me over back in the day, and quickly made up for it.


I to this day will always buy BFG just for their customer service. And the fact that their cards are the fastest is just a bonus.

 

[filmore crashcart]

Ignoring the collection of idiots posting above

Excuse me?

Glad to see you went straight to the right source to find your answers. Hopefully, your issues will soon be resolved.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: filmore crashcart

Ignoring the collection of idiots posting above

Excuse me?

That wasn't a blanket statement to all of the above posters, just the morons (who should but probably don't know who they are)

 

[longshot94]

If the problem is limited to the BFG cards then it is the bios thats the problem, all of the cards being produced are beng produced by Nvidia so its not a H/W problem but a bios problem. Just flash the card's bios with one from a PNY card or a OEM Nvidia Bios.

 

[Bar81]

That's an idea I've also been wondering about. May be worth a shot for people having problems.

 

[nitromullet]

If that was the case, why would BFGTech have to escalate the issue to nVidia? Couldn't they just fix it in their BIOS? I would hope that they would be smart enough to reach this conclusion on their own, considering that building video cards is what they do for a living. Of course, Bar81 only spoke with tech support, so their enginners may not be aware of the problems yet.

 

[Bar81]

Well, I spoke to the lead who speaks to the engineers so I assume the engineers are aware of the issue. It may be that the BIOS in the cards is the reference BIOS with higher clock speed settings. If that is the case then there's not much the engineers could do until hearing back from nVidia on what the issue is exactly.

 

[Leon]

Update from BFG director of marketing ( HardOCP forum)

After discussing with NVIDIA, this is what we found:

1. The issue is in the EDID of the Samsung 240T and they specify 52Hz for both 1600x1200 and 1920x1200.

2. NVIDIA drivers have a 60 Hz limit

3. The limit will be removed in NVIDIA Rel. 65 drivers

4. A reg key is provided in NVIDIA's 61.74 web release

John Malley
Director, Marketing and PR
[BFG Technologies]
86 Albrecht Drive
Lake Bluff, IL 60044
www.bfgtech.com

 

[ss284]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: filmore crashcart

Ignoring the collection of idiots posting above

Excuse me?

That wasn't a blanket statement to all of the above posters, just the morons (who should but probably don't know who they are)

What you meant to say was: "I don't like to admit I'm wrong, therefore I will call everyone else who proves me wrong an idiot, even though I make blatently incorrect statements. But thats ok because if I call you all idiots, I wont have to respond and I can continue thinking that im always right and that everything I say is complete truth and not UTTER GARBAGE THAT I ENJOY MAKING UP BECAUSE WHATEVER I SAY IS ALWAYS ALWAYS RIGHT. If you say otherwise, you are a moron even though you present valid points of argument that should be followed by a rebuttal(but then I wouldnt have much to say because I'm actually wrong sometimes). But like I said before, when im wrong, you are a moron. I also block people when they continue to disagree with me because it hurts my e-penis."

 

[Pete]

I hope we've all learned a lesson here. What that lesson is, though, I have no idea.

Oh, right, maybe it's not to fly off the handle if you don't have all the facts. Bar, you went from relaying news to never buying BFG again (based on said nonsensical news) to never buying nVidia again (based on an older ET article that didn't even include NV40s) to ad-homming to relaying news. I understand you trusted BFG's tech support, but some ppl here are probably more knowledgable than any tech support staff (be the call center located in India or the US ).

A little less drama and a little more cool-headed investigation wouldn't hurt.

And stop the name-calling. An apology to all the so-called "idiots" and "morons" may not hurt, based on the latest info from BFG's higher-ups.

 

[Bar81]

Well, looks like the intellectuals have stepped up and identified themselves.

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: Pete
I hope we've all learned a lesson here. What that lesson is, though, I have no idea.

Oh, right, maybe it's not to fly off the handle if you don't have all the facts. Bar, you went from relaying news to never buying BFG again (based on said nonsensical news) to never buying nVidia again (based on an older ET article that didn't even include NV40s) to ad-homming to relaying news. I understand you trusted BFG's tech support, but some ppl here are probably more knowledgable than any tech support staff (be the call center located in India or the US ).

A little less drama and a little more cool-headed investigation wouldn't hurt.

And stop the name-calling. An apology to all the so-called "idiots" and "morons" may not hurt, based on the latest info from BFG's higher-ups.

Well said.

 

[imported_Desmond]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
Wow, I have never heard about this before?

So 1600x1200 is not supported? Wow, this card belongs in the trash can.

Actually, its kind of funny. Best Buy found a way to screw you over anyway.:laugh:

Not true. I have the BFG 6800GT and it supports 1600x1200. Stop making false accusations. I'm happy with the card since my LCD works at the resolutions I need.

As for Best Buy finding a way to screw him over anyway...what does Best Buy have to do with this? They don't make the card. Um, hello?

 

[imported_Desmond]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: remagavon
All cards dont support widescreen resolution. Also, I seriously doubt this card doesn't support 1600x1200. I call shens, and will test this tomorrow. If you lied about this I hope you get banned.. why is there no credibile information regarding this anywhere?

Repeat I will be testing this tomorrow, I'm getting a BFG GT and I have a 2001fp stay tuned.

I hope you get banned for being an idiot. FOR THE LAST TIME, BFG themselves have confirmed the information I am listing.

I hope you get banned for being an idiot name caller. I have the card and it does work at 1600x1200 on my Dell 2001fp LCD.