Better for gaming in Linux for me??

[whm1974]

I dont have to post anything I have seen it first hand, but I will.... just to show you what we all already know. Or why not just go to google or youtube and type Steam proton linux vs windows 10.. here are a few showing that there is not 60-70% less performance like you are claiming while gaming in linux..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y332ilSEI7k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qubt4vrrh_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDs7T13LPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rusq83ETM9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsdgCExX7yw

I think with Proton once Valve works out the kinks Linux will start to be taken more seriously for gaming by the current naysayers.

 

[PeterScott]

I think with Proton once Valve works out the kinks Linux will start to be taken more seriously for gaming by the current naysayers.

Desktop Linux is really only for the small niche of Linux hobbyists, it really won't matter much to anyone else. If anything better emulation, is even less reason for Native Linux software.

I have been dabbling with Linux since the early 1990's (slackware from stack of downloaded floppies), and install it every once in a while to see the progress. Right now my machine dual boots to a version I installed last year, played with for a month, and haven't booted in 6 months.

Decades ago I dreamed of Linux replacing Microsoft Windows. MS was an abusive 800 pound Gorilla in the early 90's. But I have been constantly disappointed by the lack of polish, and limited availability of commercial level software.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Desktop Linux is really only for the small niche of Linux hobbyists, it really won't matter much to anyone else. If anything better emulation, is even less reason for Native Linux software.

I have been dabbling with Linux since the early 1990's (slackware from stack of downloaded floppies), and install it every once in a while to see the progress. Right now my machine dual boots to a version I installed last year, played with for a month, and haven't booted in 6 months.

Decades ago I dreamed of Linux replacing Microsoft Windows. MS was an abusive 800 pound Gorilla in the early 90's. But I have been constantly disappointed by the lack of polish, and limited availability of commercial level software.

Have you given any thought to possibly giving any other Linux Distros a try?? Ubuntu , Linux Mint , and Manjaro Linux all are pretty polished looking with nice eye candy style desktops and all have there own software center which you could think of as a Microsoft Store in Say Windows 10 but all the Software is free and quite good..
If you need to run Windows only apps you can use something called "Wine" which is a Windows compatibility layer "Not An Emulator" which you can add to any Distro Of your choice. There is also "Wine Tricks" and "PlayonLinux" which also adds Windows only apps compatibility to Your linux O/S...

 

[PeterScott]

Have you given any thought to possibly giving any other Linux Distros a try?? Ubuntu , Linux Mint , and Manjaro Linux all are pretty polished looking with nice eye candy style desktops and all have there own software center which you could think of as a Microsoft Store in Say Windows 10 but all the Software is free and quite good..
If you need to run Windows only apps you can use something called "Wine" which is a Windows compatibility layer "Not An Emulator" which you can add to any Distro Of your choice. There is also "Wine Tricks" and "PlayonLinux" which also adds Windows only apps compatibility to Your linux O/S...

I didn't stop at slackware.

I am not interested in arguing the propaganda. Been there, done that, dozens of times.

Linux Desktop is hobbyist project OS and has always felt like that, and still does.

 

[Markfw]

I didn't stop at slackware.

I am not interested in arguing the propaganda. Been there, done that, dozens of times.

Linux Desktop is hobbyist project OS and has always felt like that, and still does.

That "hobbyist project OS" is 20-30% more efficient than Windows 10 at all my DC applications.

I would not call that hobbyist.

 

[whm1974]

That "hobbyist project OS" is 20-30% more efficient than Windows 10 at all my DC applications.

I would not call that hobbyist.

As far as I can tell Desktop Linux is growing, perhaps slowly but still growing.

 

[PeterScott]

That "hobbyist project OS" is 20-30% more efficient than Windows 10 at all my DC applications.

I would not call that hobbyist.

Linux has a good kernel. Great server OS.

It's the desktop aspect that sucks. The UI of Linux has always felt like a hobby project and still does.

 

[whm1974]

Linux has a good kernel. Great server OS.

It's the desktop aspect that sucks. The UI of Linux has always felt like a hobby project and still does.

Linux works great as a Desktop. It is so good that I don't even run Windows anymore, not even for gaming.

 

[Hitman928]

In terms of having a nice, modern, functional UI, I think ElementaryOS is the best distro out right now. I've had a few people thinking I was running MacOS when they saw my screen (non-mac people, obviously). Linux, IMO, is great for productivity and for people who are completely technologically inept (e.g. my parents) who only really need the functionality of a tablet but still prefer the format of a computer. It's also great for little kids.

Linux still has to come a ways before it'll be ready for mainstream popularity, but it's getting there.

 

[PeterScott]

Linux works great as a Desktop. It is so good that I don't even run Windows anymore, not even for gaming.

So say the 1% of you that have committed to Linux on the Desktop.

Having tried dozens of distros over the decades it has never measured up to my standards.

It is ultimately a great command line OS, with bunch of clunky GUIs bolted on top, and it feels like it.

 

[Markfw]

So say the 1% of you that have committed to Linux on the Desktop.

Having tried dozens of distros over the decades it has never measured up to my standards.

It is ultimately a great command line OS, with bunch of clunky GUIs bolted on top, and it feels like it.

You really should try Cinnamon Mint 19. Its installs so easy, I would have thought it was windows. Do you have some old box laying around to try it on ?

 

[Josephus312]

You really should try Cinnamon Mint 19. Its installs so easy, I would have thought it was windows. Do you have some old box laying around to try it on ?

I prefer Lubuntu, same goes for that but it uses less resources and is more aligned with the Ubuntu repositories than Mint.

 

[PeterScott]

You really should try Cinnamon Mint 19. Its installs so easy, I would have thought it was windows. Do you have some old box laying around to try it on ?

Why would you think I haven't?

Last year I tried Mint, Ubuntu (more than one flavor), Elementary, Suse, CentOS, Manjaro, and a few others. I had a stack of about 10-12 optical disks with burned distros by the end.

I have been an on and and (mostly) off user for nearly 25 years. I have spent 2 years using RHEL as my work desktop OS on one job, and built Linux Web servers (CentOS) on another.

I know Linux, I just find the GUIs clunky and second rate.

As I said, I am not really interested in the propaganda. Been there, done that, well beyond excess.

 

[whm1974]

So say the 1% of you that have committed to Linux on the Desktop.

Having tried dozens of distros over the decades it has never measured up to my standards.

It is ultimately a great command line OS, with bunch of clunky GUIs bolted on top, and it feels like it.

My dad and stepmother are using Manjaro just fine after I set everything up for them.

 

[PeterScott]

My dad and stepmother are using Manjaro just fine after I set everything up for them.

I have heard all the Linux stories 10 times over, including the forcing your relatives to use it... Yawn...

Not... Interested in... Linux Propaganda...

 

[Headfoot]

Thanks for the youtube links, Proton looks awesome, solid improvements over what Phoronix had in their reviews. Still, we're looking at 80-90% performance of Windows 10 which isn't parity. Anything with an interpretation/translation layer is going to have an overhead penalty.

I can't find any written article roundups since August 21 since latest version has only been out for a month. Also it has a limited compatibility list: https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561. That being said, very cool that Valve is pushing this forward.

Doesn't change the fundamental analysis that buying Windows 10 on a dollar-per-FPS basis is the best upgrade once you're in midrange cards or above.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Thanks for the youtube links, Proton looks awesome, solid improvements over what Phoronix had in their reviews. Still, we're looking at 80-90% performance of Windows 10 which isn't parity. Anything with an interpretation/translation layer is going to have an overhead penalty.

I can't find any written article roundups since August 21 since latest version has only been out for a month. Also it has a limited compatibility list: https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561. That being said, very cool that Valve is pushing this forward.

Doesn't change the fundamental analysis that buying Windows 10 on a dollar-per-FPS basis is the best upgrade once you're in midrange cards or above.

Yeah I know, I looked and looked and looked for a write up review with a graph or anything at all to show a comparison between Linux And Windows with Steam Proton and DXVK. So I am sorry about that but I am sure as things progress over the coming weeks or months there should be something like this that will pop up.

 

[Headfoot]

It will be very interesting to see how that turns out. I feel like Valve has lost all the marketing momentum from the first Steam Machines from 2015. Clearly they've been brewing something internally though since that Proton layer is miles ahead of anything Wine has ever done on its own for gaming

 

[Hitman928]

Initial Tests: Windows 10 vs. Ubuntu With NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 / GTX 1080 Ti / RTX 2080 Ti

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=rtx2080ti-windows10-ubuntu&num=1

 

[whm1974]

It will be very interesting to see how that turns out. I feel like Valve has lost all the marketing momentum from the first Steam Machines from 2015. Clearly they've been brewing something internally though since that Proton layer is miles ahead of anything Wine has ever done on its own for gaming

I think the Steam Machines/SteamOS was more of something to give developers a target to aim for then anything else. Maybe Valve is planning on releasing a Steam Machine 2 later once Proton is out of beta?

 

[wilds]

Nvm

 

[PingSpike]

Its pretty tough to decide now, which is a good thing. By most accounts AMD open drivers are now very good, but this is a really recent development and there are linux native titles that only ever claimed support for nvidia. AMD's drivers were a mess that went into a ditch before their open driver support got them where they are now. Nvidia has been there with consistent support for a long time, but as we all know they're nvidia and the drivers closed.

I'd say if you care at all about open drivers, AMD is the way to go. But I'd still give the edge to Nvidia for compatibility if you take that out of the equation. But I can't really fault some one for having opinions otherwise.