Better for gaming in Linux for me??

[Justinbaileyman]

So which brand and card should I now go for to game in linux with Steam Proton or for using the new DXVK and VKD3D.
I had been planning on getting a RTX 2080 but I refuse to spend $800+ after seeing the reviews.
Just not gonna happen... EVER!!
Specially when a dang Vega 64 matches or even beats a the 2080 in like something like 9 out of 10 games in this review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLjQR0UFUd0
And like every review shows the GTX 1080 ti beats it by around 5% for $200-300 cheaper!!
Wanna Play at 1440p with the option of 4k in the near future.
I was gonna get the Gigabyte or Red Devil Vega 64 but everybody told me to wait for reviews on these new Nvidia cards.
Well reviews are here and I am not happy so now I am in need of help from you pro's on which is the best card for me...
My budget is $600-$650 give or take a few bucks.

 

[Hitman928]

1080 Ti. AMD linux support has improved a lot over the years but Nvidia still has the most broad support in Linux. I don't like how the Nvidia driver takes over the Xdisplay server, but if you don't mind that, the 1080Ti is the way to go. Not sure how well it will do trying for 4K on Linux, but it's your best bet.

 

[PeterScott]

Specially when a dang Vega 64 matches or even beats a the 2080 in like something like 9 out of 10 games in this review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLjQR0UFUd0

Vega 64 is not even close in that review. But if that is what you see, by all means buy a Vega 64 and be happy.

 

[Hitman928]

Vega 64 is not even close in that review. But if that is what you see, by all means buy a Vega 64 and be happy.

I think he's only looking at 1440p results since that's what his native res is. At 1440p, Vega64 is a lot closer in average performance probably due to CPU bottleneck.

 

[PeterScott]

I think he's only looking at 1440p results since that's what his native res is. At 1440p, Vega64 is a lot closer in average performance probably due to CPU bottleneck.

Closer, is still not close, let alone winning some as he claimed. Even at 1440p, There is only one of the dozen with strong CPU bottleneck. The rest are no contest.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I think he's only looking at 1440p results since that's what his native res is. At 1440p, Vega64 is a lot closer in average performance probably due to CPU bottleneck.

Firstly thank you all for replying and helping me.
second Yes, sorry I should have been more clear ,I was looking at the 1440p graph part in that and other reviews and not the 4k part. I know in 4k all the GTX parts from 1080 on up to the RTX parts kicks the crap out of the Vega within windows.
But What about Linux??
I just heard rumors that Vega is better in linux then in windows, Hence my interest.
To be honest I am not loyal to either company and only want the best performing GPU for the money that is more highly optimized for linux.
Unfortunately an $800 RTX part isnt gonna happen no matter how badly my inner E-peen ego wants one..
My choices that I have come to is Vega 64 or GTX 1080 or 1080 ti.
Remember I only want to game at 1440p/2k with the option to later play games at 4k maybe 6 months or so down the line when higher refresh rate 4k t.v.'s drop down in price and become more widely available.

 

[happy medium]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-2080ti-linux&num=1

Linux benchmarks.

"The Radeon RX Vega 64 with the current Linux drivers roughly comes in line with the GeForce GTX 1070 or in very good cases around the GTX 1070 Ti, well short usually of the previous flagship GeForce GTX 1080 Ti"

"in many Linux games the RTX 2080 Ti was twice as fast as the RX Vega 64"

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Oh crap I just went and watched the review video again and noticed it was the Vega beating the GTX 1080 and not the 2080 sorry that was my goof...

 

[happy medium]

It looks like a rtx2070 will be the perfect $500 Linux card next month....if it really is $500......?!

Should be faster than a gtx1080 and a bit slower than a gtx1080ti.

Or a gtx1070ti if you can find one cheap now,under $400 would be faster than any vega card.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

It looks like a rtx2070 will be the perfect $500 Linux card next month....if it really is $500......?!

Should be faster than a gtx1080 and a bit slower than a gtx1080ti.

Or a gtx1070ti if you can find one cheap now,under $400 would be faster than any vega card.

Thank you for the link to that RTX 2080 ti Linux review it was exactly what I was looking for!!
Would I be stupid if i were to go with last gen and get a GTX 1080 ti??
Or should I wait a bit longer and see what RTX 2070 has to offer?

 

[happy medium]

If you can wait a month for the 2070 , why not?
You can find a used 1080ti for about $500 now ,its up to you.

And you very welcome.

 

[Headfoot]

The reality is the best bang for your buck upgrade for a linux gaming PC is a Windows 10 license. The same cards just perform much more poorly pretty much across the board in the linux vs windows 10 gaming head to head. Seems wasteful to spend ore money on a bigger better card when you can achieve the same or greater gains by buying windows.

 

[whm1974]

The reality is the best bang for your buck upgrade for a linux gaming PC is a Windows 10 license. The same cards just perform much more poorly pretty much across the board in the linux vs windows 10 gaming head to head. Seems wasteful to spend ore money on a bigger better card when you can achieve the same or greater gains by buying windows.

Some of us simply do not want to use Windows 10. I can play games on Linux just fine with my GF970.

 

[Markfw]

The reality is the best bang for your buck upgrade for a linux gaming PC is a Windows 10 license. The same cards just perform much more poorly pretty much across the board in the linux vs windows 10 gaming head to head. Seems wasteful to spend ore money on a bigger better card when you can achieve the same or greater gains by buying windows.

All I can say is that my Nvidia cards put out 20-30% more PPD on linux for F@H vs win10 pro.

Gaming, I have no idea.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

The reality is the best bang for your buck upgrade for a linux gaming PC is a Windows 10 license. The same cards just perform much more poorly pretty much across the board in the linux vs windows 10 gaming head to head. Seems wasteful to spend ore money on a bigger better card when you can achieve the same or greater gains by buying windows.

This is only temporary that there is better performance in windows vs linux. Now that Steam Proton ,DXVK and VKD3D are released.
Its only a matter of time before linux catches up to windows in the gaming performance department and I see that happening much much faster then everyone thinks.
Besides I do have windows 10, but will be ditching it to go to linux full time due to all the darn spying going on. Especially with the "MicroSoft Managed Desktop" being implemented.
That was pretty much the nail in the coffin for me as far as windows goes.
Well that and Windows 10 is a darn resource hog and uses twice if not more memory then on Linux using the same apps!!
Call me paranoid but I believe the only one that should be able to access my PC at anytime with or with out my permission is myself!!
And I should be the only one that can tell my pc when to Install/Uninstall and when to restart!!

 

[Headfoot]

This is only temporary that there is better performance in windows vs linux. Now that Steam Proton ,DXVK and VKD3D are released.
Its only a matter of time before linux catches up to windows in the gaming performance department and I see that happening much much faster then everyone thinks.
Besides I do have windows 10, but will be ditching it to go to linux full time due to all the darn spying going on. Especially with the "MicroSoft Managed Desktop" being implemented.
That was pretty much the nail in the coffin for me as far as windows goes.
Well that and Windows 10 is a darn resource hog and uses twice if not more memory then on Linux using the same apps!!
Call me paranoid but I believe the only one that should be able to access my PC at anytime with or with out my permission is myself!!
And I should be the only one that can tell my pc when to Install/Uninstall and when to restart!!

I'll believe it when I see it. If I had a dollar each time I heard that this year is the year of linux on desktop I'd be a rich man

 

[Headfoot]

Some of us simply do not want to use Windows 10. I can play games on Linux just fine with my GF970.

Sure, at an average of 60%-70% of the frame rate for the same card and same game on Windows 10 (for nVidia, which is generally better on Linux than AMD traditionally). Those are simply the facts. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pascal-win10-linux&num=12. Playing on linux is equivalent to downgrading your card at least 1 maybe 2 product tiers for gaming.

Overall, these NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060/1080 Windows 10 vs. Ubuntu Linux gaming benchmarks ended up being quite interesting. In many of the higher-profile games ported to Linux by independent studios, the performance under Linux was only 60~70% of the Windows 10 performance. That's even for games that were released for Linux more than one year ago and has seen driver optimizations, post-release patches, etc. Most Linux gamers who dual-boot complain of newer Linux games performing slower than Windows and this is largely confirmed by our results.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Not true at all!! Its all based on drivers and software optimization.
Its funny that you say the same games run at 60 to 70 % slower on linux.
When in fact most the games that work run at the same frame rate as in windows.
Doom,Wolfenstein 2,Bioshock trilogy,Overwatch,COD Library,GTA V,Prey, and the list goes on and on.
And steam is paying cold hard cash for coding work to be done for compatibility hence why we are getting update after update.
Linux will catch up to windows and very quickly, maybe they wont run games 1/1 FPS with windows at first but at leased the games will work and to be honest who really gives a crap about the frame counter after it passes 100fps..
I stop caring once I get a steady 60fps personally..
Anyways back on topic, I will wait till next month I guess to make my decision between RX 680x or the RTX 2070.
If they dont pan out there is always back to shopping for a Vega 64 or GTX 1080/ti on the cheap cheap..
I understand most of you cringe when I say Vega 64 but I could use it for Pass through for video editing and conversions along with gaming.
Not sure if Nvidia's hardware also allows this??

 

[whm1974]

Sure, at an average of 60%-70% of the frame rate for the same card and same game on Windows 10 (for nVidia, which is generally better on Linux than AMD traditionally). Those are simply the facts. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pascal-win10-linux&num=12. Playing on linux is equivalent to downgrading your card at least 1 maybe 2 product tiers for gaming.

YMMV with different Linux distros. I don't get any lag or slowdowns with Manjaro

 

[Headfoot]

I posted a source that backed up my numbers, where are yours?

 

[whm1974]

I posted a source that backed up my numbers, where are yours?

Dude that source is like a year and a half ago. Drivers have gotten better since then. And many framerates are we talking about here? FPS are not the only games available.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Dude that source is like a year and a half ago. Drivers have gotten better since then. And many framerates are we talking about here? FPS are not the only games available.

Frames per Second not First Person Shooters LOL...
I totally agree with you and this is what I am trying to explain to Mr. Headfoot but he just wont listen to me tell him that things have progressed like crazy the last few weeks that give you awesome compatibility with just about a 1/1 frame match up with windows versions.
Not saying all games run perfectly matching windows performance right now but they are pretty darn close in the titles that do work.
I am also saying it will only get better from here on out!!
I dont know maybe Mr. Headfoot has an issue with Linux from past use or something and is hold a personal grudge against us?? LOL

 

[Headfoot]

I looked at the most recent review I could find. What you guys are saying then is you don't have any sources to back up the factual assertions made?

I have nothing against linux. How trite and common you would take a factual statement about linux performing worse than windows in gaming as a personal attack, and then turn around and say I have a personal bias against linux. You don't know anything about me. I used to dual boot and develop software in ubuntu and game on windows, so I have nothing against it.

So if you're done attacking me personally, go ahead and post a credible source that contradicts Phoronix's 60-70% average data.

Otherwise, a windows license will get you the most extra FPS per $. Better than any video card update.

 

[Headfoot]

Dude that source is like a year and a half ago. Drivers have gotten better since then. And many framerates are we talking about here? FPS are not the only games available.

Post a better source. Until then this is 100% hot air.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I dont have to post anything I have seen it first hand, but I will.... just to show you what we all already know. Or why not just go to google or youtube and type Steam proton linux vs windows 10.. here are a few showing that there is not 60-70% less performance like you are claiming while gaming in linux..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y332ilSEI7k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qubt4vrrh_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDs7T13LPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rusq83ETM9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsdgCExX7yw