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Best way to "Get into" Ryzen APUs? Have several options here.

VirtualLarry

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Have: three AB350M Pro4 micro-ATX boards, two AB350 (no video output) micro-ATX boards, an Asus Prime B350-E, a Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3, and a Biostar A320 board, maybe the -MH model. It does have video outputs.

So, the AB350 non-Pro4 boards are no-go for Ryzen APU, due to not having any video outputs.

The Gigabyte Gaming 3 and Biostar A320 boards, are brand-new, with no AM4 CPU/APU to go with them.

The Asus B350-E Prime has a Bristol Ridge A8-9600 quad-core APU, which is overclocked to 3.9, with 16GB of DDR4-2133 (rated) RAM. I originally built that rig, to be ready to drop-in the Ryzen APU, but upon finding out that that board in particular, is able to overclock Bristol Ridge, I feel like I "lucked out", and should keep those two together.

I was thinking, tentatively, to drop a pair of 2400G APUs into the AB350M Pro4 boards (got two rigs identical, and a third with a 1600 in it, in a different case).

Then, maybe, get a pair of 2200G APUs, and put one in the Gaming 3, and either drop one into the Biostar A320 and build with those two (would need more DDR4 RAM - apparently, you CAN overclock the RAM clock on the A320 boards too), or move the Bristol Ridge to the A320, and deal with the fact that it can only clock stock to 3.1Ghz, and then get a 2200G for the B350-E Prime board.

Also, the two AB350M Pro4 boards, have Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 RAM in them, and they only clock at 2667 max on those boards, because the UEFI doesn't have any specific support for Team RAM. But with Ryzen APU support 2933 stock for RAM clocks, I'm hopeful I can get those stick running faster, at 2933, off the bat.

That leaves a couple of 1600 CPUs, and those AB350 non-Pro4 boards, without video outputs, which currently have 1200 CPUs in them. I could upgrade them to 1600 CPUs, and then sell or build with the 1200 CPUs (OCed to 3.8Ghz), or just sell the whole things entirely with the 1200 CPUs in them, and drop in some entry-level GPUs, like GTX1050 or RX 560 cards. (One of them has a GTX950 2GB currently.)
 
NTMBK said:
In my opinion the best way to "get into" Ryzen would be to not mess around buying a bunch of motherboards and CPUs you don't need, just buy one good motherboard, and the top APU that you actually want.
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yeah this sounds like a bunch of complication for complication's sake.
 
Kenmitch said:
WTF does drug addiction have to do with what we call computer hardware addiction.

But....If she's really hot looking and gives me a happy ending I might consider it.
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I still would keep a close on her so she doesn't steal anything.
 
Kenmitch said:
WTF does drug addiction have to do with what we call computer hardware addiction.
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Because like a drug addict, he had to clean his place up before his inspection. He was living off Ramen recently because he bought a new mining rig. He doesn't have money to fix/maintain his car, but he's got a storage locker full of older computer parts. Give it a couple of months and you'll probably see him trying unsuccessfully to sell the new rigs he's talking about building in this thread.

We all like Larry, but he's way past buying a new toy to tinker with. He's on a fixed income and he's currently sitting on 8x new motherboards just because and talking about throwing more of his limited income at them.
 
Keep discussion on OP's post.
No need to discuss drug addicts,
and other extra-curricular activities here.

AT Mod Usandthem
 
XavierMace said:
Because like a drug addict, he had to clean his place up before his inspection. He was living off Ramen recently because he bought a new mining rig. He doesn't have money to fix/maintain his car, but he's got a storage locker full of older computer parts. Give it a couple of months and you'll probably see him trying unsuccessfully to sell the new rigs he's talking about building in this thread.

We all like Larry, but he's way past buying a new toy to tinker with. He's on a fixed income and he's currently sitting on 8x new motherboards just because and talking about throwing more of his limited income at them.
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Larry should really save up his money and get a really nice system instead all of these low end ones, unless he is selling them at a reasonable profit.
 
whm1974 said:
Larry should really save up his money and get a really nice system instead all of these low end ones, unless he is selling them at a reasonable profit.
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I'm on a fixed income too. A really nice system costs a lot of money. I still haven't built my Threadripper 1950X system, I'm waiting on an EVGA P2 1600W PSU that took a big chunk of money and I realized I need a UPS yet (around $600-$700). I've already got about $3000 in just motherboard, CPU, memory, and GPUs.
 
XavierMace said:
We all like Larry, but he's way past buying a new toy to tinker with. He's on a fixed income and he's currently sitting on 8x new motherboards just because and talking about throwing more of his limited income at them.
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Well, they're not all "new", I bought the three AB350M Pro4 boards, back when Ryzen was introduced, and have been running them all year. The AB350 non-Pro4 boards, I bought to build some cheap overclocked 1200 rigs, and I did, but I didn't manage to sell them. (I'm now convinced that my poor luck at selling entry-level gaming rigs, is because Craigslist shadow-banned me.)

The Asus B350-E Prime, was bought for Bristol Ridge, and as a placeholder for Raven Ridge. The "new" boards, the Biostar A320-MH and the Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3, were purchased new, for the Ryzen APUs.

But I was kind of wondering if a whole switcheroo thing might be better.

As a result, I would have two rigs, in Rosewill Line-M cases, with AB350M Pro4 mobos, Team Vulcan 16GB DDR4-3000, 2400G APUs, 128GB Adata SU800 Ultimate SSDs, Rosewill 80Plus Gold 600W PSUs, and ready to drop in a faster GPU, and Windows 10. Seems like that would make a fairly salable entry-level gaming box.
 
John Carmack said:
How do you afford so much DDR4?
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I stocked up when it was cheap(er). $35 for an 8GB kit, and $110 later on for some 16GB DDR4-3000 kits.

Good luck now, even finding 16GB DDR4-2133 for less than $180-200.

I regret selling some of my 8GB kits on this forum, because that means that I need to buy some more. 🙁
 
VirtualLarry said:
Well, they're not all "new", I bought the three AB350M Pro4 boards, back when Ryzen was introduced, and have been running them all year. The AB350 non-Pro4 boards, I bought to build some cheap overclocked 1200 rigs, and I did, but I didn't manage to sell them. (I'm now convinced that my poor luck at selling entry-level gaming rigs, is because Craigslist shadow-banned me.)

The Asus B350-E Prime, was bought for Bristol Ridge, and as a placeholder for Raven Ridge. The "new" boards, the Biostar A320-MH and the Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3, were purchased new, for the Ryzen APUs.

But I was kind of wondering if a whole switcheroo thing might be better.

As a result, I would have two rigs, in Rosewill Line-M cases, with AB350M Pro4 mobos, Team Vulcan 16GB DDR4-3000, 2400G APUs, 128GB Adata SU800 Ultimate SSDs, Rosewill 80Plus Gold 600W PSUs, and ready to drop in a faster GPU, and Windows 10. Seems like that would make a fairly salable entry-level gaming box.
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Yeah but how much are you selling them for? I really don't see a market here as OEMs are cheaper, plus people can get fairly decent refurbs for not much money. On top of this, it is not hard at all to build a computer.
 
whm1974 said:
arry should really save up his money and get a really nice system instead all of these low end ones, unless he is selling them at a reasonable profit.
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I thought I did that... built several Ryzen 1600 rigs, with RX 470/570/570 and a GTX1070ti (for mining specifically, that last one). Put in 16GB of RAM, and a decent budget SSD.

Now I'm basically taking about taking two of those rigs, removing the 1600 CPUs, and dGPUs, and dropping in a 2400G APU and trying to re-sell them, before the X470 boards drop. Then I can upgrade, hopefully for free!

Edit: What, I need a ThreadRipper, and then a ThreadRipper 2 rig? Sometime-something-"hedonistic treadmill"... 🙂
 
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whm1974 said:
Yeah but how much are you selling them for? I really don't see a market here as OEMs are cheaper, plus people can get fairly decent refurbs for not much money. On top of this, it is not hard at all to build a computer.
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Yeah, Newegg recently had an "ABS" (their PC-builder house-brand) gaming PC, with a Ryzen 1600 and an RX 570, and 8GB of DDR4, and a 1TB HDD, for $800, with Windows 10. Not a bad deal, by any means, really. Pretty-much on the ball at what I could sell them for, if I could get dGPUs at MSRP or below.
 
VirtualLarry said:
I thought I did that... built several Ryzen 1600 rigs, with RX 470/570/570 and a GTX1070ti (for mining specifically, that last one). Put in 16GB of RAM, and a decent budget SSD.

Now I'm basically taking about taking two of those rigs, removing the 1600 CPUs, and dGPUs, and dropping in a 2400G APU and trying to re-sell them, before the X470 boards drop. Then I can upgrade, hopefully for free!
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I'm not quite sure what kind of math you are using here. In order for you to be able to "upgrade for free", you would have to be selling for more than you paid for it. You might be able to do that if you're selling the RAM and dGPU's, but unless I misunderstood what you're saying, you're selling the rigs minus those parts.
 
Look:

ASRock AB350M Pro4 $82
16GB Team Vulcan 16GB DDR4-3000 RAM kit $110
AMD 2400G APU $170
Rosewill Line-M mATX case $45
Rosewill 600W 80Plus Gold PSU $65
Adata 128GB SU800 Ultimate 2.5" SATA SSD $50
Windows 10 $100

total: $622

Say I sell it for $700 (RAM prices today, make it worth that much in parts)

Then, wait for Ryzen 2600 and X470 to drop. Also, make sure to get Ryzen-specific RAM next time.
 
VirtualLarry said:
Look:

ASRock AB350M Pro4 $82
16GB Team Vulcan 16GB DDR4-3000 RAM kit $110
AMD 2400G APU $170
Rosewill Line-M mATX case $45
Rosewill 600W 80Plus Gold PSU $65
Adata 128GB SU800 Ultimate 2.5" SATA SSD $50
Windows 10 $100

total: $622

Say I sell it for $700 (RAM prices today, make it worth that much in parts)

Then, wait for Ryzen 2600 and X470 to drop. Also, make sure to get Ryzen-specific RAM next time.
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With only 128 of storage, I'm not sure I would buy that even if it is an SDD as Windows 10 with a few large applications will eat that up quick.
 
"HDD added to suit". Not all gamers want an additional HDD, they may already have a big one on their current PC with all of their Steam library, and may want to just transfer it over.

And if I offer the usual 1TB HDD in the base config, some people want a bigger one, like 2-4TB.

Edit: Anyways, enough about selling the PCs, what about the config, does it make sense to do this?

I've got a couple of friends that might be able to use these PCs too. Something to consider (giving them away. Course then my upgrade won't be "free - as in beer").
 
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