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Best Sith Apprentice?

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Maul may have been killed by Obi-wan (who turned out to be among the greatest of all Jedis ever, but he did also kill Qui-gon, who was also arguably a greater jedi than obi-wan in the force, but Obi-wan is arguably the better lightsaber duelist.
 
Anakin was delusional he was never on the dark side, I believe Palpatine was controlling him the whole time. When he was a young boy, to the young man who got to do the queen, to vader.

palpatine was just pure evil. however, what I don't get is how his younger self could sound one way: regular like the senator, then then next minute: sound evil like the emperor 😕

best apprentice? I guess it would be anakin because he accomplished more of what the sith master (Palpatine) wanted than any other apprentice because in a way, Palpatine was pulling the strings the whole time. You know what they say...if you want it done right, you better do it yourself. So palpatine figured out that the best apprentice he could find is himself. Not to mention the fact that all previous masters fell to their apprentices, so the likely hood of anakin trying to kill his mater out of pure evil and greed was slim to none since he was under control the whole time. In the end, anakin did kill the emperor, but that's only out of his love for his son, not for greed or evil.
 
Maul got owned in the first movie. Sidious was the real badass.

Anyone ever wield dual light sabers? Not talking about the double bladed one like Maul's, but actually used two light sabers, one in each hand. Because that was badass in KotOR.
 
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Anakin was delusional he was never on the dark side, I believe Palpatine was controlling him the whole time. When he was a young boy, to the young man who got to do the queen, to vader.
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I don't like 'controlled', manipulated?...yes.

palpatine was just pure evil. however, what I don't get is how his younger self could sound one way: regular like the senator, then then next minute: sound evil like the emperor 😕
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I thought it was pretty obvious he was disguising himself...the separatists wouldn't have been able to be manipulated if they knew he was really Palpatine, and word most likely would have gotten out to the Jedi that Palpatine was a sith 😛 If you're confused as to HOW he could change his voice, well you just have to remember he can also shoot lightning out of his fingers...

best apprentice? I guess it would be anakin because he accomplished more of what the sith master (Palpatine) wanted than any other apprentice because in a way, Palpatine was pulling the strings the whole time. You know what they say...if you want it done right, you better do it yourself. So palpatine figured out that the best apprentice he could find is himself. Not to mention the fact that all previous masters fell to their apprentices, so the likely hood of anakin trying to kill his mater out of pure evil and greed was slim to none since he was under control the whole time. In the end, anakin did kill the emperor, but that's only out of his love for his son, not for greed or evil.
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I'd agree there, Anakin was never truly evil, just a bit too stupid (at least hen he was younger, and also most likely poor script writing) so he really was a perfect apprentice - potentially the most powerful jedi to server a strong right-hand who wouldn't really be as much of a threat to try and overthrow you...however you have to remember that Vader did have at least some plans to do so when he tried to tempt Luke to join him so they could overthrow the emperor and 'rule the galaxy as father and son'. Most of the time the sith apprentice would line up their own apprentice before they attempted a coup...often having the aid of that apprentice to overthrow their master.



Originally posted by: jjones
Maul got owned in the first movie. Sidious was the real badass.

Anyone ever wield dual light sabers? Not talking about the double bladed one like Maul's, but actually used two light sabers, one in each hand. Because that was badass in KotOR.
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Anikan did when he ultimately ended up getting owned by Dooku in Ep2.

And of course Grievous, but he wasn't a jedi/sith...and he's really the only movie character to choose to fight with multiple individual light sabers by default, probably because he couldn't otherwise match up against a jedi...being able to wield 4 sabers at once was probably a must for him to physically overwhelm a jedi much like how the sheer number of droids in the trap in Ep2 was able to kill a ton of jedi.
 
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Originally posted by: jagec
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Reven or Malak
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When I played? Definitely Revan.
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Except we're talking about 'apprentices' here, and technically Revan was never a Sith apprentice, he assumed command straight up from the start 😛 😉 (although if we were talking about most awesomely badass jedi/sith ever, Revan would have to be near the top, would be on top of my list that's for sure)

Originally posted by: maddogchen
was general grevious not a sith?
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he wasn't even a jedi, just an extremely competent alien warrior whose abilities were extremely enhanced by the most advanced droid body/parts in existence


Darth Maul is a decent choice for several reasons:
1. double bladed saber as a first for the movies was really cool, and he certainly emphasized a brute strength approach as opposed to a namby pamby abuser of force powers.
2. very ninjaesque, always a plus 😀
3. lack of dialog meant Lucas couldn't screw up his character as much through poor writing 😉

Also, knocking Darth Maul for losing to a 'padawan' isn't really fair because that padawan happened to be Obi-Wan who really turned out to be one of the greatest jedi ever...heck, according to the canon, there were several jedi masters who died at the hands of an otherwise 'lesser' character (such as Grievous who was neither sith nor jedi...)
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But I can knock Maul. Because Dooku absolutely OWNED Kenobi in every encounter they had. During the first fight Kenobi was a full fledged Jedi Knight, 10 years had passed since he fought Maul. In Revenge of the Sith Kenobi was a Jedi Master. Dooku fought Yoda to a stand still. So Maul isnt the best ever, just the coolest ever.
 
Originally posted by: ctark
But I can knock Maul. Because Dooku absolutely OWNED Kenobi in every encounter they had. During the first fight Kenobi was a full fledged Jedi Knight, 10 years had passed since he fought Maul. In Revenge of the Sith Kenobi was a Jedi Master. Dooku fought Yoda to a stand still. So Maul isnt the best ever, just the coolest ever.
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Some pretty good points, but I'll try and counter them anyways:

We saw two encounters in the movies and in both encounters Obi-Wan was counting on relying on Anikan - in the first encounter Anikan was retarded and screwed up the plan to use their obvious numerical advantage in safely defeating the threat.

In the second encounter he perhaps did the opposite and got careless/overly reliant because Anikan had improved so much since then (evident by how Anikan proceeded to kick the crap out of Dooku by himself)

Whenever Obi-Wan was on his own he always managed to emerge victorious in one way or another - one example being his triumph over Grievous who was a known jedi slayer, taking on and defeating multiple jedi at once, including a master.

Also, when Maul died we had no idea where he was in his training - Dooku was already an accomplished jedi master when he became a sith apprentice, personal pupil of Yoda and master of Obi-Wan's master...

And when we really consider Maul's death, he died because he was beaten more by his own undoing in a moment of idiocy just about every major Star Wars character has suffered.

And to finish off, different characters simply could match up differently, some could very well be better suited to taking on certain characters and what not, so just because Dooku might have had Obi-Wan's number doesn't make a clear cut Dooku > Obi-Wan > Maul.


Oh and Dooku and Yoda did not fight to a stand still - Yoda was kicking his ass, which is the reason why Dooku turned tail and fled. Yoda was never out fought in any of his fights.


Anyways, I've mostly been playing devil's advocate in this thread...Dooku was probably the best sith apprentice (strictly considering the movies) in the traditional sense that he was pretty adept in politics and had several skills outside of fighting whereas Maul was more of a warrior, a strong arm enforcer...much like Vader ended up being. But Palpatine was clever enough to know that Dooku truly yearned for power and would have tried to overthrow Palpatine sooner rather than later, thus having Anikan eliminate and replace Dooku really was an excellent move by Palpatine to ensure the prolonging of his rule...of which we received some pretty significant clues that Palpatine was attempting to find a way to cheat death and live forever...
 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: ctark
But I can knock Maul. Because Dooku absolutely OWNED Kenobi in every encounter they had. During the first fight Kenobi was a full fledged Jedi Knight, 10 years had passed since he fought Maul. In Revenge of the Sith Kenobi was a Jedi Master. Dooku fought Yoda to a stand still. So Maul isnt the best ever, just the coolest ever.
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Some pretty good points, but I'll try and counter them anyways:

We saw two encounters in the movies and in both encounters Obi-Wan was counting on relying on Anikan - in the first encounter Anikan was retarded and screwed up the plan to use their obvious numerical advantage in safely defeating the threat.

In the second encounter he perhaps did the opposite and got careless/overly reliant because Anikan had improved so much since then (evident by how Anikan proceeded to kick the crap out of Dooku by himself)

Whenever Obi-Wan was on his own he always managed to emerge victorious in one way or another - one example being his triumph over Grievous who was a known jedi slayer, taking on and defeating multiple jedi at once, including a master.

Also, when Maul died we had no idea where he was in his training - Dooku was already an accomplished jedi master when he became a sith apprentice, personal pupil of Yoda and master of Obi-Wan's master...

And when we really consider Maul's death, he died because he was beaten more by his own undoing in a moment of idiocy just about every major Star Wars character has suffered.

And to finish off, different characters simply could match up differently, some could very well be better suited to taking on certain characters and what not, so just because Dooku might have had Obi-Wan's number doesn't make a clear cut Dooku > Obi-Wan > Maul.


Oh and Dooku and Yoda did not fight to a stand still - Yoda was kicking his ass, which is the reason why Dooku turned tail and fled. Yoda was never out fought in any of his fights.


Anyways, I've mostly been playing devil's advocate in this thread...Dooku was probably the best sith apprentice (strictly considering the movies) in the traditional sense that he was pretty adept in politics and had several skills outside of fighting whereas Maul was more of a warrior, a strong arm enforcer...much like Vader ended up being. But Palpatine was clever enough to know that Dooku truly yearned for power and would have tried to overthrow Palpatine sooner rather than later, thus having Anikan eliminate and replace Dooku really was an excellent move by Palpatine to ensure the prolonging of his rule...of which we received some pretty significant clues that Palpatine was attempting to find a way to cheat death and live forever...
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I agree with a lot of your points. I think the only thing the puts Dooku ahead of Maul is his experience with the force. Also in the books Dooku took great pride in being a master swordsman.

We saw Sidious and Dooku throw around objects that weighed tons like they were light as a feather. It even took Yoda great concentration to do something like that.

Also Dooku was not a full fledged sith. His hate (which makes you more powerful) did not consume him like it did other sith.

When he joined he actually had a political agenda. I'm almost sure he had no desire to be the Sith master, he just had to use it to accomplish his agenda.

If Vader had not been cut up and burned up he would have been by far the best Sith apprentice. He probably would have been unstoppable and he would've killed Sidious in short order after he learned what he wanted.

Lucas said himself that Vader was 80 percent of what Sidious was after the suit.

 
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