Best Quarterbacks of all time

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: bigrash
lol at that list. We all know that Brady is good, but you put him in any of the teams of the other QBs in that list, I bet you he wouldn't be as good.

Did you ever watch football before this year? Aside from Brady's first year in which he took over from Bledsoe, he's never had a 1000-yard receiver. His primary receivers included Reche Caldwell, David Givens, Deion Branch, and Troy Brown.

You take away Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice from Joe Montana, and you would not have had nearly as dominant teams as you had.

 

[alchemize]

If you didn't win a superbowl, you don't even belong on the list.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I can't take any list seriously without Montana at the top.

Sorry. Fail.

Why should Montana be above Brady?

Joe Montana
Tom Brady

I cannot believe you posted links to their stats. LOL. If we're going to go off avg QB rating, then Joe Montana is only the 5th best 49er QB ever....behind all time greats like Tim Rattay and Jeff Garcia among others. Brillliant! Longevity? I say we rank Vinny Testaverde first. :roll: All that to say I can arguing with you would be pointless.

He provided some evidence to support his claims and you simply insulted him. I agree that Montana is the better QB, but are you 12 or something?

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: alchemize
If you didn't win a superbowl, you don't even belong on the list.

So you would take Marino off the list is what you are saying and replace him with who? Aikman? Bah.

KT

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I dont remember 6ft 4 wide receivers back in the days to make the quarterbacks look as good as todays, but hey what do I know.

defenses could actually play defense on wide receivers as well....back in the days...

Think how good a Jerry Rice in his prime would be today with the pass-happy rules.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I dont remember 6ft 4 wide receivers back in the days to make the quarterbacks look as good as todays, but hey what do I know.

defenses could actually play defense on wide receivers as well....back in the days...

Think how good a Jerry Rice in his prime would be today with the pass-happy rules.

Wouldnt that be a thing of beauty to watch.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: alchemize
If you didn't win a superbowl, you don't even belong on the list.

So you would take Marino off the list is what you are saying and replace him with who? Aikman? Bah.

KT

I think both Marino AND Aikman belong on the list. Say what you will of Aikman, but he was dependable and skilled. Definitely not top 5 material, but I'd have a hard time ranking him outside of the top 10.

 

[Tom]

Based on seeing them play, not stats..

Montana should be #1 for his ability to win big games in nearly impossible circumstances.


Bradshaw belongs in the top 5 somewhere, it's true he played on a great team, but that was an era of many outstanding teams and Bradshaw was one of the keys to the Steelers dominance.

Marino wouldn't be in my top ten, or Fouts. The game is about winning, not passing stats.

 

[arrfep]

11.) Rex Grossman

 

[JTsyo]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: bigrash
lol at that list. We all know that Brady is good, but you put him in any of the teams of the other QBs in that list, I bet you he wouldn't be as good.

Did you ever watch football before this year? Aside from Brady's first year in which he took over from Bledsoe, he's never had a 1000-yard receiver. His primary receivers included Reche Caldwell, David Givens, Deion Branch, and Troy Brown.

You take away Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice from Joe Montana, and you would not have had nearly as dominant teams as you had.

I think that just points to better overall receivers for Brady. If there's only one good receiver it's much easier to put an extra man on him and loosen up on the rest. Now I'm not saying Brady has all superstar receivers but I think if you compare the Pats offense to the ones these other guys played with you would see a big difference. Wonder if there's a quick way to check Pro-bowlers on each team.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: arrfep
11.) Rex Grossman

:laugh: THE SEX CANNON! :laugh:

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I can't take any list seriously without Montana at the top.

Sorry. Fail.

Why should Montana be above Brady?

Joe Montana
Tom Brady

I cannot believe you posted links to their stats. LOL. If we're going to go off avg QB rating, then Joe Montana is only the 5th best 49er QB ever....behind all time greats like Tim Rattay and Jeff Garcia among others. Brillliant! Longevity? I say we rank Vinny Testaverde first. :roll: All that to say I can arguing with you would be pointless.

Nice distraction...throw up a dust storm and rush off all huffy......but try making a point first, and let others decide if there's any credibility behind it.

Anywho, both are great, but all the things that made Montana great, Brady has, and then some imo. And that's not to take Montana lightly either, he's always been my favorite.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: JTsyo

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: bigrash
lol at that list. We all know that Brady is good, but you put him in any of the teams of the other QBs in that list, I bet you he wouldn't be as good.

Did you ever watch football before this year? Aside from Brady's first year in which he took over from Bledsoe, he's never had a 1000-yard receiver. His primary receivers included Reche Caldwell, David Givens, Deion Branch, and Troy Brown.

You take away Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice from Joe Montana, and you would not have had nearly as dominant teams as you had.

I think that just points to better overall receivers for Brady. If there's only one good receiver it's much easier to put an extra man on him and loosen up on the rest. Now I'm not saying Brady has all superstar receivers but I think if you compare the Pats offense to the ones these other guys played with you would see a big difference. Wonder if there's a quick way to check Pro-bowlers on each team.

Uhhhh.... what the hell are you talking about? Just look at how Brady's receivers have fared after they left the team. Reche Caldwell? He's like a 4th or 5th string receiver for the redskins. Branch? Hasn't lived up to his expectations for the seahawks (seahawks fans are certainly bitter that they gave up a #1 draft pick to the pats for him), David Givens? He hasn't done squat for the Titans. David Patten? He's jumped from team to team. Etc. Etc. Etc.

The fact is, all those receivers had their production go down after they left the Pats and didn't have Brady throwing to them anymore. If anything Brady makes his receivers better and the proof is in the pudding. I mean, Reche Fucking Caldwell looked like a decent receiver while playing with Brady, can anyone wrap their head around that?

 

[Excelsior]

I mean, Reche Fucking Caldwell looked like a decent receiver while playing with Brady, can anyone wrap their head around that?

Actually, he didn't. He just sucks no matter where he plays.

And what people aren't talking about is how great the Pats o-line has been for the past __ years. It doesn't matter how good a QB is if his line sucks...vice versa.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: arrfep
11.) Rex Grossman

12. Philip Rivers

 

[The Boston Dangler]

my top 10 qb list:

1T. Johnny Unitas
1T. Joe Montana
1T. Tom Brady
4. John Elway
5. Brett Favre
6. Peyton Manning
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Otto Graham
9. Dan Marino
10. Dan Fouts

 

[ballmode]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
my top 10 qb list:

1T. Johnny Unitas
1T. Joe Montana
1T. Tom Brady
4. John Elway
5. Brett Favre
6. Peyton Manning
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Otto Graham
9. Dan Marino
10. Dan Fouts

Brady doesn't deserve to be tied on the top... yet.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
my top 10 qb list:

1T. Johnny Unitas
1T. Joe Montana
1T. Tom Brady
4. John Elway
5. Brett Favre
6. Peyton Manning
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Otto Graham
9. Dan Marino
10. Dan Fouts

i can agree with that.

 

[Homerboy]

There have been 100 renditions of this "best ever list"
last one I saw had Montana on top, and an earlier one had him in like 5th.

Long story short, most of the lists had one thing in common... the same 10 guys. Point being, you can't nail it down, but you can name the top 10 of all time.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/...=sando_mike&id=3209882

Pretty good article in my opinion. It's written form the slant 'is Brady the best ever?' but it has a pretty fair breakdown in a bunch of different categories. In my opinion, if things keep going as they have been for another few years you will see Brady at #1 easy.

OVERALL

1. Johnny Unitas
2. Joe Montana
3. Tom Brady
4. Dan Marino
5. Peyton Manning
6. John Elway
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Brett Favre
9. Otto Graham
10. Dan Fouts

Discuss?

KT

No. I know it's somewhat subjective, but Brady shouldn't even be ahead of Marino or Elway. And Manning is number five but Namath isn't even on the list? Total joke.

Namath was nothing but folk-lore. He was a horrible QB

 

[Captante]

Montana & Elway are the best pure QB's in this group IMO with Marino not far behind despite never winning a championship ... also a couple glaring omissions like Roger Staubach & Fran Tarkenton pretty much invalidate this list as far as I'm concerned & as much as I admire Bradshaw as a winner he really doesn't belong in this group any more then Ken Stabler does.

Ranking teams & ranking QB's are two very different things & thats where I think the confusion comes in ... the 1970's Steelers were one of, if not the best NFL team of all-time & Bradshaws numbers reflect that just like Aikmens numbers reflect the tremendous success of the Cowboys in the 1990's & Bradys numbers reflect the success of New England ... this needs to be taken into consideration.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i don't care about the jets. i just want to kiss you, suzie.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: ballmode

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
my top 10 qb list:

1T. Johnny Unitas
1T. Joe Montana
1T. Tom Brady
4. John Elway
5. Brett Favre
6. Peyton Manning
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Otto Graham
9. Dan Marino
10. Dan Fouts

Brady doesn't deserve to be tied on the top... yet.

so you agree with the 4 - 10 spots?

 

[zinfamous]

Brett Favre behind Elway = Fail. I know he's a lucky bastard most of the time, being that 80% of his strategy is to chuck the ball into triple coverage and hope that it works out....but he's Brett Favre damn it!

 

[zinfamous]

btw, If Brady is number 3 then his OL is number 1, and untouchable.

Any pissant QB can be good with the amount of time he gets.