Best Overall Video Card

Lucid Faia

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Hi, I'm new to the forums. I'm building a computer system soon, and I'm torn between getting a 7900 GTX or an X1900 XTX. Any and all replies would be much appreciated.

Also, how do SLI and CrossFire stack up against a single ultra high-end video card?
 

LW07

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I would get the X1900XTX if you're looking for a single video card, but if you have the money for SLI, then I would get 2 7900GTX's. However, I really wouldn't recommend either SLI or Crossfire since they usually are matched in around 6 months to a year by a single card that rivals the performance of the SLI setup. Examples of this: The 7800GTX 256mb matched or rivaled the performance of 2 6800Ultras in SLI when it came out, around 6-8 months after SLI arrived on the scene. Second example: The Radeon X1900XT rivals the performance of 2 Geforce 7800GTs in SLI most of the time.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_performance/page11.asp

and

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_performance/page5.asp

SLI 7800GTs at 1600*1200 with 8xAF and HDR perform at 20.2 FPS.
A single X1900XT, on the other hand, performs at 25.6 FPS at the same settings.

That was just to prove that SLI isn't really worth the extra cost.
 

Kromis

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Oy! There technically isn't a "best overall" card. It just depends on what you want. With ATI, you can have both HDR and AA on at the same time. With Nvidia...err...I don't quite know. Quiet, less power consumption, less heat production?

Multiple cards are only useful if you want to play on the higher resolutions. Do yourself a favor and don't go with 2 video cards (unless the card you need becomes really cheap or you can get it for cheap).
 

akugami

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X1900XTX is the best considering performance. The X1900XT might be a better bet as you can easily overclock it to X1900XTX speeds. The X1900 series are also cheaper than the 7900GTX's which have extremely low availability. Most of the features between the two cards are roughly equal. I can't say you would go wrong choosing either card. As far as SLI and Crossfire is concerned, I feel that they are not worth the money as you don't get a 100% boost for a 100% added cost. SLI is however a more stable and more mature platform so if you do plan to go with dual video cards, get SLI. Not to say SLI is without problems, it's just the more polished solution. Curiously, while the X1900 series has a higher MSRP, the 7900's have a higher street cost.

X1900XT Pros.
Cheaper than the 7900GTX's. You can get one for $440 shipped. You can get this card and an aftermarket cooler and still have it come out cheaper than the 7900GTX.
Once you crank up the features and quality settings this is the best card on the market. And let's be honest, you pay this much for a card, you want to crank up the features. It more than holds it's own at lower quality settings with the 7900GTX.
Better in some modern games like Oblivion and FEAR. The general thought is that this is due to the heavy emphasis on pixel shader performance. So it should perform a tad better than the 7900's in pixel shader heavy games.
Slightly better Direct3D performance.


X1900XT Cons.
Noisy. This is the noisiest card out there. There are aftermarket coolers that will take care of this but then you run into the same cost as a 7900GTX.
Hot and power hungry. This thing takes a lot of juice and produces a lot of heat.
Does worse in OpenGL games than the 7900GTX. Not that performance is bad, just not as good as the the 7900's.


7900GTX Pros.
Relatively cool running card. It has an excellent stock cooler and has pretty low temps even at full load. It's power requirements at idle are lower than the X1900's, especially at idle though it does go up significantly when running games.
Less noisy cooling solution.
Does better on OpenGL games like Doom3 and Quake.
Slightly better drivers, certainly less bloat. However, don't let the nVidia fanboys fool you, ATI's drivers are arguably as stable as nVidia's and not terrible. ATI's Catalyst Control Center is a bit bloated though.


7900GTX Cons.
Performs worse than the X1900's when you crank up the high end settings. Not that performance is bad on these cards just that you might have to settle for mid qualitysettings at a certain resolution with these cards that you might be able to do high end settings with the X1900's in certain games.
Image Quality is slightly worse than the X1900's but I feel the difference is so slight as to be a non issue.
Missing some graphical features, most notably FSAA +HDR being on at the same time.
At this point, more expensive than the X1900's at roughly $510 shipped.

Like I said, I don't think you can truly go wrong with either video card. Some people value certain features more than others. It could depend on what type of games you play. If you play OpenGL based games such as Quake and Doom more than D3D based games or pixel shader heavy games you might opt for the 7900GTX instead of the X1900XT. If you play more D3D games then you might want the X1900XT instead.
 

Lucid Faia

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Thanks to all who have replied, especially akugami for his incredibly in-depth post. The games I'm most interested in are Half-Life 2, F.E.A.R., and Oblivion, so it seems like the X1900 XT might be the better choice (although I wouldn't dare overclock a $400+ video card).
 

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Originally posted by: Lucid Faia
Thanks to all who have replied, especially akugami for his incredibly in-depth post. The games I'm most interested in are Half-Life 2, F.E.A.R., and Oblivion, so it seems like the X1900 XT might be the better choice (although I wouldn't dare overclock a $400+ video card).

:thumbsup:
 

Elfear

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I consolidated the results from 6 review sites pitting the X1900XTX and the 7900GTX against each other. Here is the thread. It also has the concluding comments made by the review sites on each card.

 

orangat

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Originally posted by: Lucid Faia
Thanks to all who have replied, especially akugami for his incredibly in-depth post. The games I'm most interested in are Half-Life 2, F.E.A.R., and Oblivion, so it seems like the X1900 XT might be the better choice (although I wouldn't dare overclock a $400+ video card).


Have you considered the factors of noise and warranty. High end ATI cards are quite noisy and unfortunately only offer conditional lifetime warranties.

The warranty issue alone is a big red flag for me.
 

Sunrise089

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I would get the X1900XT. The "conditional" lifetime warranty would only matter if you were going to be keeping the card for many years, and for most users that is unlikely.
 

sodcha0s

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Originally posted by: orangat
Originally posted by: Lucid Faia
Thanks to all who have replied, especially akugami for his incredibly in-depth post. The games I'm most interested in are Half-Life 2, F.E.A.R., and Oblivion, so it seems like the X1900 XT might be the better choice (although I wouldn't dare overclock a $400+ video card).


Have you considered the factors of noise and warranty. High end ATI cards are quite noisy and unfortunately only offer conditional lifetime warranties.

The warranty issue alone is a big red flag for me.


The only "conditions" on the Powercolor lifetime warranty are that the card cannot be physically damaged, it must be a retail card returned in the original packaging and you must register the product with them. So unless you drop the thing or hit it with a hammer, you are covered.

Also the noise issue is becomming way overblown. I got the XTX not long after it's release and the only time it is loud is during system startup, when it's at 100% speed for 5 seconds. During normal windows operation it is inaudible for me, and my system is rather quiet. During gameplay it will ramp up a bit and can be heard when you're in a quiet area of the game you're playing, but it never gets annoyingly loud and if there's sound comming from the speakers it can't be heard at all. If you use headphones you'll definitely never hear it. But yeah, this thing puts out some serious heat and sucks the current, no doubt about it. You will need a good, high quality PSU with ~30A on the 12v rail.