Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
creative nomad or rio nitrus are some choices.
The Nitrus isn't really competition for HD-based players. It's sort of an in-between Flash and HD player at 1.5 GB. You're probably thinking of the Karma, it comes in 20 and 40GB. If you guys haven't played with a Karma, you're missing out. See if your local bestbuy has it and check it out. I played around with it at J&R. It's smaller than the ipod (but thicker). I personally like the form factor better, more like an MD. Plus it has an ethernet dock and supports ogg vorbis.

I also like the interface better than other HD players, it's nearly identical to the RioRiot's.