Best (money no issue) self defense weapon for smaller man

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Anti Riot Claymore Mines

hahaha

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: hanoverphist
if its for just home protection, go for something that wont penetrate a wall behind your intruder. shot gun does this nicely.

O RLY?

For the record, I own a shotgun. Just point this out so people don't get unrealistic expectations.

Yep, people have a LOT of fantasies about shot guns.

Another one is they help you hit your target because the shot spreads out. The reality is quite the opposite. In any normal sized house with a legal barral length shotgun, the grouping will be very tight. So tight that it's pointless to use one for this purpose. If you can't hit them with a bullet, you wont hit them with buck shot at 20 feet.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Hmm, since money is no issue, something along the lines of this should suffice.

That didn't work out to well for the last owner.

 

[Fritzo]

Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

 

[boomerang]

Dubya uses the Secret Service.

 

[Icepick]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: hanoverphist
if its for just home protection, go for something that wont penetrate a wall behind your intruder. shot gun does this nicely.

O RLY?

For the record, I own a shotgun. Just point this out so people don't get unrealistic expectations.

This is a great link. I found it very informative. Thanks!

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Are you kidding me? You might not read about home invasions being stopped, but thats because you read the news. It does happen quite often, and gun accidents are just darwin at work.

Anyways, to answer the OP's question, I would advise a handgun in 9mm if you are new to the whole firearm thing. I suggest 9mm because the rounds are very inexpensive, so you can afford to practice more then with any other round.

I would suggest a Sig-Arms P226 in 9mm (or 40 S&W if 9mm seems to small) with a set of hogue rubber grips. I have the handgun in 40 S&W and it is by far the most accurate handgun that I've shot, and feels extremely natural. It also has no reliability issues.

The key though if you truly intend to keep a loaded firearm accessible is to actually take the thing out and practice AT LEAST once a month, if not more. I like to go shooting at least twice a month when I'm in the states.

PM for more info on specific models.

 

[abracadabra1]

dog + martial arts training for you.

 

[Manuwell]

Swiss Army Knifes. Besides the self-defense purpose, you can do a lot of things with them.

 

[invidia]

A Laptop gun in sentry mode

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Sorry Fritzo, but you don't know what you're talking about. There are a ton of home invasions that are stopped by armed citizens. There are also a ton of home invasions that could have been stopped by armed citizens, which ended up in murder, rape, etc.

Just because your "something" (you left out a noun) never used her gun to protect herself doesn't mean no one else ever has. Applying one instance to everyone is beyond ignorant.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Sorry Fritzo, but you don't know what you're talking about. There are a ton of home invasions that are stopped by armed citizens. There are also a ton of home invasions that could have been stopped by armed citizens, which ended up in murder, rape, etc.

Just because your "something" (you left out a noun) never used her gun to protect herself doesn't mean no one else ever has. Applying one instance to everyone is beyond ignorant.

Yep, just google "defensive gun uses" to see countless stories, many of them home invasions.

Just because you don't read about them in the paper doesn't mean they didn't happen. The gun grabbers are so quick to publicize accidental shootings, but in reality, they are a tiny fraction compared to defensive gun uses each year.

And remember: The vast majority of defensive gun uses end non-violently with no shots fired. The mere brandishing of the gun is enough to defuse the situation and chase off the criminal.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
hahaaha

How about hiding a fake dead body in the closet, as soon as they find that sucker they'll be out the door quick.

You'd need some outfit to make it incredibly tacky though... and then you could come out and be like, "Ohhh another specimen... I can't let you go and leak my research to the public... that'd be ... *smirk* bad."

I kinda like the ninja one better . But I broke one of my swords the other day.. stupid 1/3 tang sword... I kinda didn't hold it all the way up at the tsubasa so the force of impact snapped it off at the pin . I should just find someone who can build me a better hilt.

 

[TallBill]

Civilian Gun Self-Defense Blog

Theres multiple stories per day.

 

[Shlong]

Springfield XD-9 Subcompact

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: hanoverphist
if its for just home protection, go for something that wont penetrate a wall behind your intruder. shot gun does this nicely.

O RLY?

For the record, I own a shotgun. Just point this out so people don't get unrealistic expectations.

Yep, people have a LOT of fantasies about shot guns.

Another one is they help you hit your target because the shot spreads out. The reality is quite the opposite. In any normal sized house with a legal barral length shotgun, the grouping will be very tight. So tight that it's pointless to use one for this purpose. If you can't hit them with a bullet, you wont hit them with buck shot at 20 feet.

While it's true that they penetrate, they penetrate less than other firearms, and, despite the sarcastic crack on the site about racking the shotgun not causing the "bad guy to faint", the fact is that racking a shotgun is a highly recogniseable sound that can tip off an intruder to the fact that you're armed before even having to come face-to-face with the intruder. As you've pointed out, many cases end with the intruder fleeing as soon as he or she realises that the "victim" has a weapon. It won't make a bad guy always run for the hills, but it will give him something to think about.

As for the grouping, yeah, it's not birdshot and it's going to be pretty tight, but still, a 2.5-3.5 inch grouping is undeniably larger than even a .45 inch bullet, so there is a _little_ bit more "forgiveness" with a shotgun's aim. Not much, and one obviously still needs to take careful aim, but it does give better odds.

ZV

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

As for the grouping, yeah, it's not birdshot and it's going to be pretty tight, but still, a 2.5-3.5 inch grouping is undeniably larger than even a .45 inch bullet, so there is a _little_ bit more "forgiveness" with a shotgun's aim. Not much, and one obviously still needs to take careful aim, but it does give better odds.

ZV

Buckshot at 20 feet wont have a grouping much larger than the cartridge size. It's barely had enough time to drop the wadding, much less expand.

That a shotgun will offer ANY aim forgiveness in a home defense situation is a total myth.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

While it's true that they penetrate, they penetrate less than other firearms, and, despite the sarcastic crack on the site about racking the shotgun not causing the "bad guy to faint", the fact is that racking a shotgun is a highly recogniseable sound that can tip off an intruder to the fact that you're armed before even having to come face-to-face with the intruder.

Holy crap is that terrible advice. If the intruder hears you chambering a round on any weapon, you should NOT have a gun for home defense. Why have it if its not ready to go?

The whole point is to shoot and stop the robber, not scare him off or provoke a firefight. If a burgler gets in, your #1 priority should be to defend your bedroom (unless you have children). Catch him off guard by shooting him, not racking a shotgun.

 

[epsilon]

Let me put it to you straight.

Nobody has ever accidentally killed a family member with pepper spray. That + a bat if they try to get up + 911 should be all you need.

 

[UncleWai]

Originally posted by: epsilon
Let me put it to you straight.

Nobody has ever accidentally killed a family member with pepper spray. That + a bat if they try to get up + 911 should be all you need.

Both kneecaps first, then work on the elbows. Should have kept a cinder block somewhere too for breaking his fingers and skull.

 

[swtethan]

MOAT + DRAWBRIDGE + STONE WALL + LEGOLAS

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: epsilon
Let me put it to you straight.

Nobody has ever accidentally killed a family member with pepper spray. That + a bat if they try to get up + 911 should be all you need.

And if you know what the hell you are doing, you'll never kill a family member with a firearm either. Better not drive my family ever, since I have a bigger chance of killing them all in my car.

Pepper spray and a bat will not help defend anything. It'll get you shot. Don't be an idiot.

 

[epsilon]

Be assured. I am not an idiot. A firearm in the home has a greater chance of being used on a family member or friend than an invader. This is a fact.
See:
http://www.guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html


It's sad that in this country we live in a culture of fear and paranoia fed to us by major news outlets and our own government. This fear compels us to arm up, and sometimes, when a person is not balanced in the head, go a shoot a bunch of people.

Don't get me wrong, the problem isn't with the guns, it's with our culture.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: epsilon
Be assured. I am not an idiot. A firearm in the home has a greater chance of being used on a family member or friend than an invader. This is a fact.
See:
http://www.guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html


It's sad that in this country we live in a culture of fear and paranoia fed to us by major news outlets and our own government. This fear compels us to arm up, and sometimes, when a person is not balanced in the head, go a shoot a bunch of people.

Don't get me wrong, the problem isn't with the guns, it's with our culture.

Um, that's an intentionally misleading stat. There are over 2 million defensive gun uses in the US each year. The vast majority in which a shot is never fired.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

Your silly stat only compares shootings. A gun is most often used defensively without ever firing a shot.

See that oft parroted stat utterly destroyed here:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

Finally, the last laugh: The site you posted DESTROYS that stat, it does NOT support it. Did you even bother to read it all?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Guns were used over 2 million times in a year to protect live and property.
Just because you dont hear about it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

So, get some meds or move back from fantasy land into real life.