BEST INTEL P4 BOARD, CPU, Memory

[Solitude]

After reading several reviews, I heard that 865PE and 875 chipset maybe the best chipset available in the Intel 4 series. Furthermore, I also heard that 865PE board Asus P4P800 E - Deluxe and the P4P800 SE are probably the best overall board. The Asus P4C800 is comparable to Asus P4P800 deluxe, hence not worth spending all extra $$$ for it. I think I saw a review where the Neo 2 board by MSI KICK ASS, prob best bang for the buck. Please verfiy if 865PE Asus is probably the best Intel board. (Think about reliability, stability, and performance, not cheap; Asus board).


In regards to the cpu, I heard the 2.8 maybe the best cpu in it segment considering price and ability to oc. Northwood of course. Get one for like 170-185. Heard story of people easily crank it up 3.2. on air. Please verify.

Lastly, I also heard that Crucial Ballistix PC3200 OWNS ALL PC3200 in the performance memory region is that true. I always thought XMS and HyperX as the best.

 

[AristoV300]

I still say the p4c800-e deluxe is one of the best boards for the 478. Alond with PAT it has gigabit ethernet in the sb chip unlike the 865 boards. Rock stable board.

For processor if you are stuck on a northwood, get a 3.0c (30 capper is best). They usually hit 3.6 on stock vcore. If you prefer the prescott then 3.2e. The d0 is the best stepping and should reach 4ghz no problem. The c0 runs hotter but if you have the above board flash down to 1015 bios and you can have the 14x multi for some crazt fsb.

For Memory I would say that OCZ is the way to go. You can't go wrong with pc-3200 platinum rev2. Best flexibility with tightest timings. You can reach well over 250fsb with that memory if you need to.

 

[Solitude]

I pretty sure that the 865PE Intel Deluxe board has the PAT. PAT is only an increase of 5-10% I think. In regards to sb chip, i don't know what that is. could u explain to me what capper is. I know that C is great up to 3.6, then E takes over. What would u go w/ OCZ. How much do u pay, i think it runs w/ Micron memory right? Have u seen the Toms Hardware mobo review for 03, Neo v2 OWNS. Could u type out your rig? Having hard time accessing that info (yours).

What is stepping sorry, heard of it, but don't know, thanks.

My Heatware:
CPU: 2.8C
Mobo: 865PE (ASUS P4P800 SE) - Don't Have the udma 133, promise x 2 SATA, 2 x firewire 1394.
- Right now, I don't need these feature, maybe only the firewire, but I can get the pci card for that.

Graphic: ATI 9800 Pro
Memory: Corsair Value Ram PC-3200 (THINKING OF UPGRADE)

 

[Solitude]

" I pretty sure that the 865PE Intel Deluxe board has the PAT" I mean the 865PE Asus Deluxe board has the PAT.

 

[AristoV300]

SB= southbridge chip. The ethernet is via the sb chip rather than pci like other boards. 30 capper refers to the capacitor under the chip. This should explain it better detail. Well from all the people that I know OCZ is great memory for it's overclockablility and it's lifetime warranty is excellent. Others may disagree but that is just my opinion. Here is my systems specs

I had 3.0c M0 Stepping at 3.6 24/7, 3.8 for benching.
Now 3.2e D0 stepping,
OCZ PC-4400 Gold
P4C800-E Deluxe
74 gig wd raptor
SD Audidy 2 zs
9800 Pro 420/370
Turbo 510 Deluxe

 

[Markfw]

What do you use your computer for ?

 

[AristoV300]

Certain steppings tend to overclock better than others. You can tell your stepping using CPU-Z or if you have your retail box by the sspec and match it here.

 

[charloscarlies]

Originally posted by: AristoV300
SB= southbridge chip. The ethernet is via the sb chip rather than pci like other boards. 30 capper refers to the capacitor under the chip. This should explain it better detail. Well from all the people that I know OCZ is great memory for it's overclockablility and it's lifetime warranty is excellent. Others may disagree but that is just my opinion. Here is my systems specs

I had 3.0c M0 Stepping at 3.6 24/7, 3.8 for benching.
Now 3.2e D0 stepping,
OCZ PC-4400 Gold
P4C800-E Deluxe
74 gig wd raptor
SD Audidy 2 zs
9800 Pro 420/370
Turbo 510 Deluxe

Ummm....I don't believe there was a 3.0 M0 stepping. They did make 30 cappers...but they weren't M0's I don't think.

If it were me...I'd go with the Abit AI7 and 2.8C or 3.0C 30 capper. For the money the AI7 is a great lil overclocking board.

 

[Solitude]

AristoV300:

In the "this" link provided:

-----> 30cap cpus VS 12cap <-----


"Alright, since theres been alot of questions about the differences between a 12 and 30cap chip was in the past few days....

there are either 12 or 30 capacitors (caps) on the bottom of current p4's (northwoods and galatins in particular, prescotts follow a different pattern and have a series of caps and resistors on the bottom of the chips, patterns of these are yet to be determined) these look like little brown boxes in the middle of the pins.

ALL M0 stepping chips have 30caps (current M0 stepping processors include, the 2.4B SL79B, 2.4C SL6Z3, 2.8C SL6Z5, 3.0C SL7BK, 3.2EE SL7AA, and 3.4EE SL7GD and SL7CH)
SOME D1 stepping chips have 30caps, the vast majority have 12.

2.4 SL6WF
2.6 SL6WH
2.8 SL6WJ
3.0 SL6WK, 3.0 SL6WU
3.2 SL6WG

all with D1 stepping (30caps NOT guarenteed), and according to intel, "The electrical and thermal specifications are equivalent for both packages". Where the differences between them are:

Original Package: 6 layer substrate, 12 caps/20 pads decoupling 3.46mm nominal Z height
Alternate "Equivalent" Package: 8 layer substrate, 30 caps/30 pads decoupling, 3.75mm nominal Z height

extra capacitors help even the voltage flow across the chip and can aide in increasing the chip's overclocking potential, although some 12 caps overclock better than 30caps, 30's have a higher chance of a very high successful o/c.

at stock there is no difference between a 30cap and a 12 cap and the ONLY way to tell if a chip is a 30cap if it is a D1 stepping is by looking at the bottom of the chip, it will NOT be marked 30cap or anything on the box "

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There no way u would no how many capper there is, untill u buy the cpu. Furthermore, I would probably get the 3.0, instead of 2.8, but the at the time 3.0 was like $230, but 2.8 was like $185. I also thought that if you buy a Northwood 3.0,3.2,3.4 Percentage Increase in Performance from Northwood to Prescott would decrease. Basically it means that as C get higher and higher, the performance between C and E will become more similar and similar. Hence, at lower clock speed the diff is bigger. So was another major reason why I got the 2.8C, instead of 3.0C. Probably won't make that much diff. Now 2.8C or 3.0C is comparable in price.

This link belows provides more info between C and E.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...c.aspx?i=1956&amp;p=24

Are u using all of your raid connector, heard the intel are good, but the promise somtimes can be problematic.
Anyway still kind of lost the cap.

 

[AristoV300]

Yes they do have a 3.0c M0 and they are all 30 cappers. USe the proccessor spec finder on the link above.

I don't use raid0 any longer because I saw no real increase in performance other than in benchmarks. If you want to use raid use the intel ich5r.

As for the prescotts they don't show their performance until past 3.6. 3.0c oc's much better than the 2.8c. If you get a good 2.8c tops is around 3.4~3.5. 3.0c will usually hit 3.6 on stock vcore.

 

[Pete84]

A friend of mine got an Abit IC7-MaxIII, 2.8C, and 2 x 512mb PC-4000 HyperX and got an easy and quite stable oc at 3.5 Ghz. Went to 3.9 in a contest with a Dual G5 2.0 Ghz, 2 gig for Divx encoding. He won by like twenty minutes if i remember. Never mind that his proc got so hot he had to have a box fan blowing directly on it so it wouldn't overheat - or was that fry his eggs over easy??

 

[Solitude]

Could someone talk about stepping more? I don't quite understand the concept of stepping.

thanks

 

[Solitude]

AristoV300, COULD U FIND THE SSPEC without take the fan off. Maybe get it from the box?

 

[Zebo]

Best is some $500 supermicro or tyan boards but that's not what your asking is it? Best bang for the buck is the Abit IS7 for ~$90. It performs just like expensive canterwood for half the price and is a mad overclocker. Abit uses the best caps and mosfets in consumer lvl boards (along wih asus and DFI)

 

[Zebo]

Here's what I'd build if building a Intel box ATM

Abit IS7 $90
Crucail Ballistix or Crucial 8T 1G $280 or $150
P4B 2.26 OC to ~3.7 $119

 

[AristoV300]

Originally posted by: Solitude
AristoV300, COULD U FIND THE SSPEC without take the fan off. Maybe get it from the box?

It is the last 5 digits of the prod code on the box.

 

[Solitude]

damn it it a sl6wj, crap. So it a gamble huh, unless u get a 3.0. That bite. Aristo, is there a way for me to find the 30 caps without take cpu off the fan.

 

[AristoV300]

The only 3.0c that is always a 30 capper is the M0. There sometimes are d1's that are 30 cappers though. If you have one pack dated after june there is a good chance it is a 30 capper. The only way to tell is to remove it from the board and look underneath. It is pretty much a gamble when buying them. I can get 3.0c M0's easy here in Japan. If you know any local stores ask to look at the box so you can search for the sspec code.

With the S478 chips dropping why not get a 3.2E D0 prescott.

 

[Solitude]

what your in japan, aristov300, what the hell. Man schrew this crap, forget this, feel like buy a pack baseball card. Never know what u going to get. I got my part at newegg, cpu and mobo. Yeah I notice that 3c also has a chance get the 12caps.

In regards to mobo, u know how to identify what mem is good w/ mobo? I thin it makes a diff.

Furthermore, Zebo, is Crucial Ballstix really better than HyperX or XMS.

 

[AristoV300]

With the p4c800-e it handle any DDR memory up to pc-4800. Your best bet is to read reviews and make your own decision. Like I said I am very happy with OCZ and it's overclockability. I recommend OCZ Platinun PC-3200 Rev2 for a 3.0C.

 

[Solitude]

To aristov300

3.2e, it burning hot, isn't it?
3.2e is slower than a 3.2c according to Anandtech article, unless u over clock it. What did u do w/ your 3.0c processor? You said u had?
How much did u pay for your OCZ Plat. Furthermore, when u overclock your mem, doesn't void out the warranty?

 

[AristoV300]

OCZ memory is lifetime guarenteed regardless of speed. the Platinum uses ddr500 memory so it supposed to run at 250, but can run at 200 at 2-2-2-5. I use OCZ PC-4400 gold which is spec'd to run at 275 FSB. I sold the 3.0c. The 3.2E d0 stepping runs alot cooler than the previous c0 stepping. Around same temps as northwood.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Ive been able to obtain the highest fsb with my Neo2 PLS - 285.

 

[AristoV300]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Ive been able to obtain the highest fsb with my Neo2 PLS - 285.

Your highest FSB, I hope you mean? This is against what other boards?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: AristoV300

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Ive been able to obtain the highest fsb with my Neo2 PLS - 285.

Your highest FSB, I hope you mean? This is against what other boards?

What made you think I meant otherwise? I said, "Ive (meaning me) been able to obtain (meaning reach) the highest fsb (of) with my Neo2 PLS - 285."

I didnt mention any other boards, but theres plenty out there. I can only speak for what Ive used.