best crt monitor

vinayb

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I have a smsung 955df. Was wondering if its any good... didnt see anything unusual in it, but still Im not thrilled to look at it... I saw in a doom 3 making video that the guys at iD Software (including John Carmack) use Sony monitors... what do u guys think is the best?
 

Busithoth

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Sony makes some great high-end monitors. Iiyama has a great reputation, and I've always loved my Viewsonic's picture.
 

jiffylube1024

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Sony CRT's are among the best, especially the G and GS series.

Personally, I'm an LCD gamer all the way - Carmack can use whatever he wants to... :p
 

Busithoth

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Originally posted by: Muscles
LCD Gamer.... That's a great Oxymoron!

love the 'tude.

CRTs work for you?
cool.
I waited a long time to get an LCD, and I would never go back from my 2405.

I miss my PF790, but not enough to give up half my desk again...
 

MDE

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I'm using a 21" IBM with a Sony tube, I won't part with it until it dies a horrible death.
 

CP5670

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I have a smsung 955df. Was wondering if its any good... didnt see anything unusual in it, but still Im not thrilled to look at it... I saw in a doom 3 making video that the guys at iD Software (including John Carmack) use Sony monitors... what do u guys think is the best?

I have this:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/Prod...lassificationFamily=1&Classification=1

Arguably the best overall CRT ever made (other than some clones that were the same monitor on the inside and a few slightly modified versions that were much more expensive), but it's extremely difficult to find a properly working and calibrated one these days.

I think that 997DF you have is a shadow mask, so it won't look quite as good as an AG tube.
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: CP5670
I have a smsung 955df. Was wondering if its any good... didnt see anything unusual in it, but still Im not thrilled to look at it... I saw in a doom 3 making video that the guys at iD Software (including John Carmack) use Sony monitors... what do u guys think is the best?

I have this:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/Prod...lassificationFamily=1&Classification=1

Arguably the best overall CRT ever made (other than some clones that were the same monitor on the inside and a few slightly modified versions that were much more expensive), but it's extremely difficult to find a properly working and calibrated one these days.

I think that 997DF you have is a shadow mask, so it won't look quite as good as an AG tube.

The sony F520 is better than that monitor, but it's also impossible to find one at a reasonable price. For that reason I just 'settled' for an FW900. I actually went back to CRT from lcds; 2x 2001fps are getitng sold and the FW900 is taking their place. WMV HD content looks so gorgeous, as does CS:S at 1920x1200:)
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: CP5670
I have a smsung 955df. Was wondering if its any good... didnt see anything unusual in it, but still Im not thrilled to look at it... I saw in a doom 3 making video that the guys at iD Software (including John Carmack) use Sony monitors... what do u guys think is the best?

I have this:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/Prod...lassificationFamily=1&Classification=1

Arguably the best overall CRT ever made (other than some clones that were the same monitor on the inside and a few slightly modified versions that were much more expensive), but it's extremely difficult to find a properly working and calibrated one these days.

I think that 997DF you have is a shadow mask, so it won't look quite as good as an AG tube.

The sony F520 is better than that monitor, but it's also impossible to find one at a reasonable price. For that reason I just 'settled' for an FW900. I actually went back to CRT from lcds; 2x 2001fps are getitng sold and the FW900 is taking their place. WMV HD content looks so gorgeous, as does CS:S at 1920x1200:)

I am SO jealous of you ;)
 

CP5670

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The sony F520 is better than that monitor, but it's also impossible to find one at a reasonable price. For that reason I just 'settled' for an FW900. I actually went back to CRT from lcds; 2x 2001fps are getitng sold and the FW900 is taking their place. WMV HD content looks so gorgeous, as does CS:S at 1920x1200 :)

Oh right, I forgot about that one. It seems it had some reliability issues over time though (just what I've heard) and was in the $1500+ range when it was actually still out. The FW900 is also great though. :)
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: CP5670
The sony F520 is better than that monitor, but it's also impossible to find one at a reasonable price. For that reason I just 'settled' for an FW900. I actually went back to CRT from lcds; 2x 2001fps are getitng sold and the FW900 is taking their place. WMV HD content looks so gorgeous, as does CS:S at 1920x1200 :)

Oh right, I forgot about that one. It seems it had some reliability issues over time though (just what I've heard) and was in the $1500+ range when it was actually still out. The FW900 is also great though. :)

Yeah I've also heard about the F series having reliability problems. My monitor is a Grade A refurb that I believe was sealed from the manufacturer, so hopefully it'll last a while, at least until LCDs get significantly better (screen door effect be damned) or a new technology emerges such as OLED.
 

CP5670

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yeah, I can't stand that effect. It actually makes LCDs more straining on the eyes for me than CRTs. I got that one I linked to just a few months ago, so I'm thinking that it should hold me over for at least another three years. I guess at least one of the new displays technologies will be out by then.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: remagavon
The sony F520 is better than that monitor, but it's also impossible to find one at a reasonable price.

Those do have a tighter AG, and I haven't seen one in person so I can't comment on it. However, as far as consumer level displays, I have been more impressed with Dimondtrons than Trintrons. That isn't brand loyalty either; I have two Trinitrons which I like very much, but they have more geometry issues than similar priced Dimondtrons i have seen.
 

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Last i was aware the were two kinds of CRTs

Shadow Mask and Aperture Grill

The Aperture Grill is much brighter and most people like them for CAD & Graphics.

However the aperture grills have two wires that are visible in the screen that hold up the AG. If you pull up a white document the size of the entire screen on an AG then you should see them about 1/4 (the screen height) from the top & bottom. They are horizontal. This doesn't botther most people however its worth mentioning. AG's are also flat screen.

The shadow mask is older technology which is usually cheaper and have curved screens (like tubes). Samsungs adds a glass lense to the front of their shadow mask units to make them flat screen (This adds weight). This way you have a flat screen & no AG wires, however the shadow masks are not as bright as AGs.

If you plan to spend big money on a screen I'd highly recommend investing in an LCD.
 

EightySix Four

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I had two Nokia 445xi+'s, gorgeous monitors... both died within a month of each other, both completely diff deaths. One shorted out internally, and would stay on for about 20 mins and then die, requiring a swift hit or kick to turn back on. The other lost quality of the period of two weeks and then just stopped working :(
 

AznAnarchy99

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sony and viewsonic. I have a sony 20in tv that has lasted about 20 years and the picture is still perfect and i have an old viewsonic monitor that is will working since 95.
 

M0RPH

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Originally posted by: SGtheArtist

However the aperture grills have two wires that are visible in the screen that hold up the AG. If you pull up a white document the size of the entire screen on an AG then you should see them about 1/4 (the screen height) from the top & bottom. They are horizontal. This doesn't botther most people however its worth mentioning. AG's are also flat screen.

It's always bothered me that something that would normally be considered a defect, can be passed off as part of the design. I'm not willing to accept the two lines across my screen, so I guess I'll never own an aperture grill CRT.

 

SGtheArtist

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True, once I saw the lines for myself I decided that I could never accept AG because it would always be noticable to me.
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: SGtheArtist

However the aperture grills have two wires that are visible in the screen that hold up the AG. If you pull up a white document the size of the entire screen on an AG then you should see them about 1/4 (the screen height) from the top & bottom. They are horizontal. This doesn't botther most people however its worth mentioning. AG's are also flat screen.

It's always bothered me that something that would normally be considered a defect, can be passed off as part of the design. I'm not willing to accept the two lines across my screen, so I guess I'll never own an aperture grill CRT.

LCDs have a noticable space between pixels, blur noticably compared to CRTs (even the best ones, but it's not very bad at all), and sometimes have backlighting problems along with one or more dead pixels. AG monitors have the 1 or 2 damper wires (depending on size) and slightly blurry text. Shadow Mask monitors don't have great color reproduction or vibrance compared to AG displays. Everything has cons, it's just a matter of what your personal preferences are. :)

Even a lot of PSPs have some dead or stuck pixels. Perfection is impossible to achieve in reality, but technology is improving. ;)
 

CP5670

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I do notice the AG lines and occasionally find them annoying but AG CRT monitors look so much better than the other choices that it's well worth the tradeoff to me.
 

SonicIce

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: CP5670
I have a smsung 955df. Was wondering if its any good... didnt see anything unusual in it, but still Im not thrilled to look at it... I saw in a doom 3 making video that the guys at iD Software (including John Carmack) use Sony monitors... what do u guys think is the best?

I have this:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/Prod...lassificationFamily=1&Classification=1

Arguably the best overall CRT ever made (other than some clones that were the same monitor on the inside and a few slightly modified versions that were much more expensive), but it's extremely difficult to find a properly working and calibrated one these days.

I think that 997DF you have is a shadow mask, so it won't look quite as good as an AG tube.

The sony F520 is better than that monitor, but it's also impossible to find one at a reasonable price. For that reason I just 'settled' for an FW900. I actually went back to CRT from lcds; 2x 2001fps are getitng sold and the FW900 is taking their place. WMV HD content looks so gorgeous, as does CS:S at 1920x1200:)

I am SO jealous of you ;)

I'm jealous of the guy with the 2070 (god damn). I feel bad for the LCD guy.