Bernie Sanders in 2020? Here is his long history with pseudoscience

[Texashiker]

If you think that is comparable then why do you support one and oppose the other?

Do you believe all people are created equal, and everyone is entitled to equal protection under the law?

 

[dank69]

Do you believe all people are created equal, and everyone is entitled to equal protection under the law?

You answer my question first.

 

[Texashiker]

You answer my question first.

Before we go any further, I guess you are talking about abortion?

 

[dank69]

Before we go any further, I guess you are talking about abortion?

You are the one that brought it up. Do you not know what you are talking about?

 

[Texashiker]

You are the one that brought it up. Do you not know what you are talking about?

If you believe all people are created equal, and we are all entitled to equal protection under the law, then rights have to be granted at the time of creation.

To say, "Rights are granted when you are born", implies we are not all created equally. That subjective barriers can be constructed to keep rights away from certain individuals.

I personally believe we are all created equal, and rights are granted at the time of creation. As such, no barrier can be constructed to limit an individuals rights, with the right to life being paramount.

 

[Moonbeam]

Let me draw you a picture of how absurd it is to label harmless things for irrational fears:

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You make me laugh. The first thing I did this morning when I woke up was to say to myself, let’s cede my motion of what is irrational to the first asshole who comes along with the arrogance to say he or she knows what is irrational better than I do.

Let me correct your facts. I didn’t say GMOs are save or dangerous. I just want labels on them so I can avoid them if I chose to. I don’t give a shit what you think, in your ideologically drive opinion, labels really mean. I want them there so I can exercise my poor stupid version of reason as I see fit. So please, do me a favor and go fuck yourself.

 

[Brainonska511]

You make me laugh. The first thing I did this morning when I woke up was to say to myself, let’s cede my motion of what is irrational to the first asshole who comes along with the arrogance to say he or she knows what is irrational better than I do.

Let me correct your facts. I didn’t say GMOs are save or dangerous. I just want labels on them so I can avoid them if I chose to. I don’t give a shit what you think, in your ideologically drive opinion, labels really mean. I want them there so I can exercise my poor stupid version of reason as I see fit. So please, do me a favor and go fuck yourself.

You want to have a stupid arbitrary label on food, great, buy into an organization that does that (e.g., the Non-GMO project). Government regulations and labeling shouldn't be so arbitrary.

 

[Moonbeam]

You want to have a stupid arbitrary label on food, great, buy into an organization that does that (e.g., the Non-GMO project). Government regulations and labeling shouldn't be so arbitrary.

Arbitrary according to whom? I's sure that it would be quite arbitrary for many if they didn't have to label their corn as containing pig genes.

Ingredients: Corn, salt, canola oil is OK but NONGMO corn, salt, canola oil would be a tremendously arbitrary burden. When you decide for others what they should be able to identify in their food, you can find a million reasons to justify it. I have one answer to that: Fuck you too.

Let me put it like this: Would you mind allowing me to chose with knowledge the food that I choose to eat for whatever fucking reason I choose to eat it. You want to take away my choice to do that because you think I am irrational or that others will be and it will cost GMO food people in the pocket.

 

[ivwshane]

There's a couple issues with GMO labeling. First, it's not always easy to source if a food contains a GMO or not, thus increasing the costs to determine that. Second, there is literally no reasons why a food being GMO would cause it to be any less safe. Third, it's a scare tactic using a logical fallacy assuming that natural means safer/healthier. The entire GMO labeling concept is actually a push by organic foods lobbying groups to push people to question GMO. It's literally a corporate group that's trying to trick people into hating a competing product by appealing to fears. Which is funny because organics have lower yields, higher carbon footprints, use more land, usually use more pesticides, and have never been shown to be any healthier.

I want gmo labeling, not because I'm concerned about potential health issues but rather so I can stay away from the products because they typically look really good and yet have very little taste (I'm specifically talking about fruits and vegetables). I think anything that helps educate consumers on what they purchase is a good thing.

 

[Brainonska511]

I want gmo labeling, not because I'm concerned about potential health issues but rather so I can stay away from the products because they typically look really good and yet have very little taste (I'm specifically talking about fruits and vegetables). I think anything that helps educate consumers on what they purchase is a good thing.

Most of those arose through good-old-fashioned selection methods (or radiation bombardment) with sellers selecting for shelf life and shipability (e.g., tomatoes - of which there are no GMO variants on the market) (only a handful of vegetables are available as GMO variants, and the few genes that are used tend to be commercially-oriented)

 

[Moonbeam]

Proof that only irrational and insane people have concerns about GMOs:

https://steps-centre.org/blog/for-or-against-gm-crops-other-positions-are-available/

 

[Jhhnn]

Bernie Sanders is as yesterday as Hillary Clinton or Al Gore. Dunno why anybody wants to go on about any of them. The only politician in the position to stage a Nixon style comeback might be Romney should Trump be removed from office.

 

[ivwshane]

Most of those arose through good-old-fashioned selection methods (or radiation bombardment) with sellers selecting for shelf life and shipability (e.g., tomatoes - of which there are no GMO variants on the market) (only a handful of vegetables are available as GMO variants, and the few genes that are used tend to be commercially-oriented)

And how would a consumer know this?

 

[dank69]

If you believe all people are created equal, and we are all entitled to equal protection under the law, then rights have to be granted at the time of creation.

To say, "Rights are granted when you are born", implies we are not all created equally. That subjective barriers can be constructed to keep rights away from certain individuals.

I personally believe we are all created equal, and rights are granted at the time of creation. As such, no barrier can be constructed to limit an individuals rights, with the right to life being paramount.

So you still did not answer my question.

 

[pmv]

As such, no barrier can be constructed to limit an individuals rights

So you are against Trump's wall, then?

 

[Amused]

You make me laugh. The first thing I did this morning when I woke up was to say to myself, let’s cede my motion of what is irrational to the first asshole who comes along with the arrogance to say he or she knows what is irrational better than I do.

Let me correct your facts. I didn’t say GMOs are save or dangerous. I just want labels on them so I can avoid them if I chose to. I don’t give a shit what you think, in your ideologically drive opinion, labels really mean. I want them there so I can exercise my poor stupid version of reason as I see fit. So please, do me a favor and go fuck yourself.

So you get angry when your irrational unsupported fears are exposed as such.

Typical.

meanwhile, there is no logical reason to label GMOs and no valid definition of GMOs to label them by. GMO fear is irrational and not supported by any science whatsoever.

And by the rational definition of GMO, everything you eat is GMO. Nothing we eat today looks anything like it did 20,000 years ago. In point of fact, none of it existed 20,000 years ago.

 

[woolfe9998]

I want gmo labeling, not because I'm concerned about potential health issues but rather so I can stay away from the products because they typically look really good and yet have very little taste (I'm specifically talking about fruits and vegetables). I think anything that helps educate consumers on what they purchase is a good thing.

I generally agree with this. However, in this particular case, there is a widespread false belief that GMO is a health risk. I don't think we should require manufacturers to stigmatize their products by identifying them with something that is incorrectly believed by about half the population to be a risk.

Some of this false belief is spread by rival companies who sell organic or other foods which compete. Which makes it even worse. We're picking winners and losers based on crap conspiracy theories.

If the public was at least reasonably well educated about GMO, I wouldn't have a problem with the labeling.

 

[Amused]

Arbitrary according to whom? I's sure that it would be quite arbitrary for many if they didn't have to label their corn as containing pig genes.

Ingredients: Corn, salt, canola oil is OK but NONGMO corn, salt, canola oil would be a tremendously arbitrary burden. When you decide for others what they should be able to identify in their food, you can find a million reasons to justify it. I have one answer to that: Fuck you too.

Let me put it like this: Would you mind allowing me to chose with knowledge the food that I choose to eat for whatever fucking reason I choose to eat it. You want to take away my choice to do that because you think I am irrational or that others will be and it will cost GMO food people in the pocket.

If you want a specific source or strain of corn in your food identified, and want that identification forced, you bear the burden of proof to provide a valid reason to force that identification.

There is no scientific evidence to show harm from GMO corn. None whatsoever. In fact, there are tens of thousands of studies that show the opposite.

So you want to force a labeling of something based on nothing other than your irrational fears. Irrational by any objective measure.

GMO labeling is nothing other than an attempt to demonize bio-technology. If you want to avoid bio-tech, it's YOUR burden, not everyone else's, to ID the source of your food to placate your irrational fears.

 

[ivwshane]

I generally agree with this. However, in this particular case, there is a widespread false belief that GMO is a health risk. I don't think we should require manufacturers to stigmatize their products by identifying them with something that is incorrectly believed by about half the population to be a risk.

Some of this false belief is spread by rival companies who sell organic or other foods which compete. Which makes it even worse. We're picking winners and losers based on crap conspiracy theories.

If the public was at least reasonably well educated about GMO, I wouldn't have a problem with the labeling.

If very few foods are gmo then requiring a label stating as much would be a benefit to those non org food producers as the claims being made against them would be debunked, instantly by anyone capable of reading a label

 

[Moonbeam]

So you get angry when your irrational unsupported fears are exposed as such.

Typical.

meanwhile, there is no logical reason to label GMOs and no valid definition of GMOs to label them by. GMO fear is irrational and not supported by any science whatsoever.

And by the rational definition of GMO, everything you eat is GMO. Nothing we eat today looks anything like it did 20,000 years ago. In point of fact, none of it existed 20,000 years ago.

So you really are a deaf dumb blind and stupid fanatical authoritarian liberal who can’t follow logic or reason. Well you have made that abundantly clear in the past. Maybe if you can plug up your bung hole for a minute or two I will say this again:

I understand rather well and probably long before you did the science surrounding the GMO controversy and all of the stupid shit people imagine about how dangerous it actually isn’t. I could, in my humble opinion, make the argument better than you can. You have consistently, like a rat on a treadmill, misrepresented my case. I want GMOs labeled so can avoid buying them. I would like the definition of a GMO to be anything the offspring of which I can’t grow or raise or sell for that purpose legally, any genetic combination of anything living or living derived, that can be patented. I want to have the option to support with my dollars farming and animal husbandry that does not participate in such products because I want what it took 20000 years to create not to disappear. I want there to be farms that can produce food year after year from surplus they grow themselves. I want people like me who are concerned about possible technological collapse due to war or economic disaster to be able to support older technologies that can survive such events. I want the word non to be added to food labels so I can feel my stupid irrational joy in doing what I think is a good thing.

So am I mad at you? Why would I be any more upset with you as a rational-emotional imbecile who has no sense of transcendent spiritual beliefs than I would be of a typical Trump supporter. What is the point of being angry at fools, morons, and low life’s. Who can hate a true believer. Wouldn’t it be a bit hypocritical of me to hate one of my fellow assholes, you dunce. NONGMO, what foods these morsels be.

 

[Amused]

So you really are a deaf dumb blind and stupid fanatical authoritarian liberal who can’t follow logic or reason. Well you have made that abundantly clear in the past. Maybe if you can plug up your bung hole for a minute or two I will say this again:

I understand rather well and probably long before you did the science surrounding the GMO controversy and all of the stupid shit people imagine about how dangerous it actually isn’t. I could, in my humble opinion, make the argument better than you can. You have consistently, like a rat on a treadmill, misrepresented my case. I want GMOs labeled so can avoid buying them. I would like the definition of a GMO to be anything the offspring of which I can’t grow or raise or sell for that purpose legally, any genetic combination of anything living or living derived, that can be patented. I want to have the option to support with my dollars farming and animal husbandry that does not participate in such products because I want what it took 20000 years to create not to disappear. I want there to be farms that can produce food year after year from surplus they grow themselves. I want people like me who are concerned about possible technological collapse due to war or economic disaster to be able to support older technologies that can survive such events. I want the word non to be added to food labels so I can feel my stupid irrational joy in doing what I think is a good thing.

So am I mad at you? Why would I be any more upset with you as a rational-emotional imbecile who has no sense of transcendent spiritual beliefs than I would be of a typical Trump supporter. What is the point of being angry at fools, morons, and low life’s. Who can hate a true believer. Wouldn’t it be a bit hypocritical of me to hate one of my fellow assholes, you dunce. NONGMO, what foods these morsels be.

No where in any of this have you made a rational argument.

Not once.

Maybe you should explore that.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you want a specific source or strain of corn in your food identified, and want that identification forced, you bear the burden of proof to provide a valid reason to force that identification.

There is no scientific evidence to show harm from GMO corn. None whatsoever. In fact, there are tens of thousands of studies that show the opposite.

So you want to force a labeling of something based on nothing other than your irrational fears. Irrational by any objective measure.

GMO labeling is nothing other than an attempt to demonize bio-technology. If you want to avoid bio-tech, it's YOUR burden, not everyone else's, to ID the source of your food to placate your irrational fears.

I’m really sorry that my request for GNO labeling has threatened your fundamentalist faith in the bio-tech religion. I intend to flagellate myself later to atone for my sin. I just have this thing about demonizing demonizes demonizing me for being a demonizer. Oh, and fuck off.

 

[Moonbeam]

No where in any of this have you made a rational argument.

Not once.

Maybe you should explore that.

Here we go. I find it quite amusing that when you make a rational argument to an irrational fanatic who has his head up his ideological ass, that the first thing that happens is to imagine that nothing rational was said. Perhaps I should shout at the deaf.

How about you learn a little humility instead. I have gone to some effort to show you what your arrogance looks like. How about you work on your humility and notice the fact that my thinking is light years ahead of you.

You do notice, I hope that ingredients are listed on food products because regulators have observed in the past there are plenty of folk who quickly discover there would otherwise be lots of money to be made selling pig shit on a stick.

 

[Texashiker]

So you still did not answer my question.

Not sure what kind of answer you are wanting? Rather confused.

So you are against Trump's wall, then?

Breaking the law is not a right.

 

[dank69]

Not sure what kind of answer you are wanting? Rather confused.




Breaking the law is not a right.

Since you think women should not have a choice about their bodies when it comes to abortion why do you think people should have a choice about their bodies when it comes to vaccinations?