"Bernie Bros"

[ivwshane]

You've got to be kidding. It's like how squeaky-clean Obama was during his campaigns - because he had legions of weirdos across the internet willing to sling all the mud for him, he didn't have to personally engage in negative campaigning. And iirc, Hillary's campaign back in '08 went super-negative when she began falling behind Obama.

I know you love all things Democrat, but be realistic.

And let's not forget the sleaziest negative move I've seen in politics in a very long time when Harry Reid announced on the floor of the Senate that Mitt Romney hasn't paid any taxes for 10 years.

Don't even try to claim Democrats are above negativity. Don't even try to claim you are above negativity.


mysticjbyrd is a shill, no doubt about it. But that doesn't excuse the factual problems in your own posts.

I never claimed any such thing. Feel free to reread my post again. See if you can spot the key words that negate your claim.

 

[Exophase]

I agree it's ironic, but an insult isn't necessarily an ad hominem, unless it detracts from the argument at hand. In the case for Hillary, it clearly doesn't qualify.

Yes, and I want to make it clear that I don't think that gendered insults are necessarily sexist. A lot of women will use words like "bitch" as an insult to other women, and they don't necessarily carry connotations of hatred towards women or negative expectations/discriminatory views (although they can, even coming from other women). And there are many insults that are either specific to men, refer to male features or anatomy, or are by de facto usage almost only ever directed to men despite not really being male by definition (for instance, "bastard"). Basically no one argues that these are sexist except to try to make a point about double standards.

That said, as far as I see it they're completely unnecessary. And if they're going to be picked up as ammo by an opposing side - and they always are - then they're a pure negative. I would say insults and slurs in general aren't as useful as people tend to find them, but gendered insults in particular I don't mind completely staying away from.

As far as I'm concerned, "bro" is coming awfully close to being the new "bitch" for men and I'll treat both accordingly. It simply makes me frustrated and sad that most of the people who take great umbrage with "bitch" don't see this at all.

Anyway, as far as Bernie's supporters are concerned, is there a trend of people who are rude, confrontational, insulting against Hillary in his favor? Sure. There's also a trend of people who call anyone who doesn't want to vote for Hillary a misogynist. This should also be completely irrelevant to their campaigns. Hillary and Bernie are running, not their most obnoxious supporters. Shame on whoever says that these people reflect badly on them and their campaign: you're picking out people they have no control over to use as political smear fuel.

 

[cubby1223]

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/31...squerading-as-journalism-and-social-activism/

That article's author is the very epitome of what a "Bernie Bro" is.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Yes, and I want to make it clear that I don't think that gendered insults are necessarily sexist. A lot of women will use words like "bitch" as an insult to other women, and they don't necessarily carry connotations of hatred towards women or negative expectations/discriminatory views (although they can, even coming from other women). And there are many insults that are either specific to men, refer to male features or anatomy, or are by de facto usage almost only ever directed to men despite not really being male by definition (for instance, "bastard"). Basically no one argues that these are sexist except to try to make a point about double standards.

That said, as far as I see it they're completely unnecessary. And if they're going to be picked up as ammo by an opposing side - and they always are - then they're a pure negative. I would say insults and slurs in general aren't as useful as people tend to find them, but gendered insults in particular I don't mind completely staying away from.

As far as I'm concerned, "bro" is coming awfully close to being the new "bitch" for men and I'll treat both accordingly. It simply makes me frustrated and sad that most of the people who take great umbrage with "bitch" don't see this at all.

Anyway, as far as Bernie's supporters are concerned, is there a trend of people who are rude, confrontational, insulting against Hillary in his favor? Sure. There's also a trend of people who call anyone who doesn't want to vote for Hillary a misogynist. This should also be completely irrelevant to their campaigns. Hillary and Bernie are running, not their most obnoxious supporters. Shame on whoever says that these people reflect badly on them and their campaign: you're picking out people they have no control over to use as political smear fuel.

A logical retort, that sure is a breath of fresh air here.

I agree, gendered insults, at least within the context of this election, are a double edged sword. It's clear to see who will win the sexist victim card game, so it's best not to play.

Sanders is staying clear, which is smart. Bernie basically dominates the vote for people under 45, and Hillary is burning the bridge with this Bernie Bro bullshit. Stunts like this are making her more and more unelectable in the general. I suppose she thinks that if she can just beat Bernie, she will have it in the bag, but I have a sneaking suspicion she would find out she is just as much of a shoe-in in the general, as she was in the primary.

 

[norseamd]

That article's author is the very epitome of what a "Bernie Bro" is.

Are you not a conservative?

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!

 

[Jhhnn]

Anyway, as far as Bernie's supporters are concerned, is there a trend of people who are rude, confrontational, insulting against Hillary in his favor? Sure. There's also a trend of people who call anyone who doesn't want to vote for Hillary a misogynist. This should also be completely irrelevant to their campaigns. Hillary and Bernie are running, not their most obnoxious supporters. Shame on whoever says that these people reflect badly on them and their campaign: you're picking out people they have no control over to use as political smear fuel.

You merely repeat Greenwald's distortion. Attacks by the Bernie Bros are directed at Hillary while attacks on the Bernie Bros aren't directed towards Bernie at all.

What the Bros exhibit is the same idiocy as the teahadis who'll just tear it all down if they can't have it their way. Framing it in the terms of "Sexist? We're not sexist!" is intentional obfuscation. Sexist or not, the Bros are still idiot bomb throwers.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

You merely repeat Greenwald's distortion. Attacks by the Bernie Bros are directed at Hillary while attacks on the Bernie Bros aren't directed towards Bernie at all.

What the Bros exhibit is the same idiocy as the teahadis who'll just tear it all down if they can't have it their way. Framing it in the terms of "Sexist? We're not sexist!" is intentional obfuscation. Sexist or not, the Bros are still idiot bomb throwers.

The cognitive dissonance is out of this world! You advocate against perceived sexism with a sexist ad hominem attack!


Shillary pulled this EXACT same move in 2008!

Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!

I would bet everything I own that 99.99% of these so called "Bernie Bros" would support Elizabeth Warren for president!

The Myth of the Bernie Bro

 

[Jhhnn]

The cognitive dissonance is out of this world! You advocate against perceived sexism with a sexist ad hominem attack!


Shillary pulled this EXACT same move in 2008!

Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!

I would bet everything I own that 99.99% of these so called "Bernie Bros" would support Elizabeth Warren for president!

The Myth of the Bernie Bro

I set aside the whole sexist/ not sexist song and dance entirely which means I'm using a sexist argument? Maybe in Glenbeckistan.

Your second link is another fine false attribution. The claim that Bernie's supporters are primarily male has not been made, certainly not by me. The Bros constitute a small % of Bernie's fans. They speak only for themselves, not for the majority of supporters, Bernie or his campaign. They're chumps for right wing propaganda, just in a different way than the Teahadis.

 

[ivwshane]

The cognitive dissonance is out of this world! You advocate against perceived sexism with a sexist ad hominem attack!


Shillary pulled this EXACT same move in 2008!

Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!

I would bet everything I own that 99.99% of these so called "Bernie Bros" would support Elizabeth Warren for president!

The Myth of the Bernie Bro

Unrelated links and straw man arguments don't help your claims bro.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

I set aside the whole sexist/ not sexist song and dance entirely which means I'm using a sexist argument? Maybe in Glenbeckistan.

Your second link is another fine false attribution. The claim that Bernie's supporters are primarily male has not been made, certainly not by me. The Bros constitute a small % of Bernie's fans. They speak only for themselves, not for the majority of supporters, Bernie or his campaign. They're chumps for right wing propaganda, just in a different way than the Teahadis.

You are using a sexist ad hominem.

"Attacks by the Bernie Bros"

So now you're saying these attacks are substantive?

 

[feralkid]

You are using a sexist ad hominem.

"Attacks by the Bernie Bros"

So now you're saying these attacks are substantive?

Pro tip:

Stick to terms the Donald has taught you.

Hint: call him stupid, old, ugly or a loser.

 

[Virge_]

I'm completely fine with "Bernie Bro's" as long as "Clinton Cunts" becomes a thing.

 

[alien42]

aww how cute, you liberals are all so original.

Personal attack after personal attack.

Are you also upset some big evil rich white guy took your cookie?

your first post in this thread was a personal attack before then accusing others of the same.

do you not realize what that says about you?

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm completely fine with "Bernie Bro's" as long as "Clinton Cunts" becomes a thing.

Obviously *not* sexist, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

You are using a sexist ad hominem.

"Attacks by the Bernie Bros"

So now you're saying these attacks are substantive?

Not at all.

 

[interchange]

I am not informed enough to render an opinion on this label, however it does seem unfortunately true that one cannot safely refute any falsehoods about gender or racial inequality without being inescapably labeled as a sexist or racist.

Sadly, I think in order to actually achieve gender or racial equality, then we must have a common and (our human best) factual understanding of the divide. If the day comes when this first step arrives, I hope I am alive for it.

 

[Virge_]

Obviously *not* sexist, right?

Just to be clear, are you suggesting "bro" isn't sexist? How many women are referred to as "bros"?

Last time I checked, you don't use "bro" for women - I hear "wise and beautiful woman" used for men on a pretty frequent basis so it's certainly not a female-specific slur.

 

[ivwshane]

Just to be clear, are you suggesting "bro" isn't sexist? How many women are referred to as "bros"?

Last time I checked, you don't use "bro" for women - I hear "wise and beautiful woman" used for men on a pretty frequent basis so it's certainly not a female-specific slur.

I've never called a man a sister either. Why do you think that is?

 

[Virge_]

I've never called a man a sister either. Why do you think that is?

Did you even read what I said? Your reply agreed with me. "Bro's" and "Sister" for their respective genders. "wise and beautiful woman" can be used for anyone, especially if you're British in which case it's in every other sentence regardless of if it's even talking about a person.

Try again! Next time don't agree with me if you intend to try and make a counter argument, please - don't waste either of our time.

 

[zinfamous]

This is modern day sjw feminism 101! Don't make arguments, and don't rebut counter arguments. Instead, just proclaim your victim status, and label the other side something provocative, and dismiss them because of it. Then continue to post debunked talking points.

You make it really hard to support a guy like Bernie. Do you consider yourself representative of the ave Bernie supporter? If so, do you think that is a good thing?

 

[Virge_]

You make it really hard to support a guy like Bernie. Do you consider yourself representative of the ave Bernie supporter? If so, do you think that is a good thing?

Why not counter his argument with one of your own? What he said was a pretty accurate representation of the SJW crowd, I think.

 

[zinfamous]

Why not counter his argument with one of your own? What he said was a pretty accurate representation of the SJW crowd, I think.

My argument is that he sounds like the same petulant virgin teenager that screams "SJW!" as an excuse for all the myriad reasons that his life sucks.


I wasn't tasking him or myself to present any other argument--merely asking if he considers himself representative of this group of pathetic internet pre-males.

It's easy though: anyone that spits out "SJW" as an excuse for anything? Automatic pre-male.

 

[interchange]

Just to be clear, are you suggesting "bro" isn't sexist? How many women are referred to as "bros"?

Last time I checked, you don't use "bro" for women - I hear "wise and beautiful woman" used for men on a pretty frequent basis so it's certainly not a female-specific slur.

By decree of Virge, all gender specific words are now banned. Instead of he or she, we shall all use the word "que".

 

[Jhhnn]

Just to be clear, are you suggesting "bro" isn't sexist? How many women are referred to as "bros"?

Last time I checked, you don't use "bro" for women - I hear "wise and beautiful woman" used for men on a pretty frequent basis so it's certainly not a female-specific slur.

Did you even read what I said? Your reply agreed with me. "Bro's" and "Sister" for their respective genders. "wise and beautiful woman" can be used for anyone, especially if you're British in which case it's in every other sentence regardless of if it's even talking about a person.

Try again! Next time don't agree with me if you intend to try and make a counter argument, please - don't waste either of our time.

Brother & sister don't carry the same sexist connotation as wise and beautiful woman or prick, but you already knew that.

If not, you'd be fine with Hillary sisters provided that Bernie pricks becomes a thing, right?