Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

[ivwshane]

It truly boggles my mind that you feel the military, which uniformly features the lowest pay, greatest hazard, greatest family disruption, and greatest loss of freedom of any possible job could ever be considered a handout.


Well said, and thank you for your service.

I see it no differently as any other source of stability government offers to help it's people. Calling it a handout doesn't have any negative connotations in my mind as I don't look down at people who use government resources, paid for by people like me, to better themselves. Do you? Or do you separate out the handouts and consider some good and some bad? If the goal is for a better America then I'm for it, what's your requirement?

 

[werepossum]

I don't but thanks for your continued use of straw man.

Which explains why you posted this:

Gotta love government handouts! And military service gives out the biggest piece!

 

[Brovane]

Bowe Bergdahl to face desertion charges: Why the White House is embarrassed
You are welcome to believe the Obama Administration’s line that Bergdahl served with "distinction and honor." You are also welcome to think that he should get a few hundred thousand dollars for walking out on his platoon.

But this old dog soldier thinks that anyone that abandons their platoon needs to he held accountable.

The reality is that in an article 15 or in a court martial proceeding, Bergdahl would have the opportunity to present his side of the story.

What's wrong with that?

If he is found guilty, likely the Army won't do much more than cut him loose with a 'less than honorable' discharge.

Hold Bergdahl accountable for his actions?

Isn't that expected of every soldier?

Uno

Personally I also feel that he should be tried to present his side of the story also. The reality is that the trial would turn into a political circus so Obama has used his power as Commander in Chief to bury it for right now.

 

[Vic]

It truly boggles my mind that you feel the military, which uniformly features the lowest pay, greatest hazard, greatest family disruption, and greatest loss of freedom of any possible job could ever be considered a handout.


Well said, and thank you for your service.

Except that he posted to the same bogus story that started this thread (but on a different website).

 

[ivwshane]

Which explains why you posted this:

Sorry, I changed my post to better reflect my position and my feelings on the subject.

 

[Moonbeam]

Have you inspected and verified there weren't WMD's in Iraq? Are you sure the reports weren't invented or doctored or any number of other things?

That will all come out in the trial when Bush and Cheney are brought up on charges of treason. Until the trial, however, I will simply trust the consensus of experts there were no WMD recognizing it's a personal opinion. It's you conservative brain defectives that science has shown to be the ones to confuse your opinions with reality. That is a scientific fact.

 

[Moonbeam]

Your general example fits only one conflict; we're discussing one particular case in another conflict.

I addressed Nabor's point that "The punishment for deserting should be severe in order to deter others." There is nothing in that about one case.

 

[rudeguy]

That will all come out in the trial when Bush and Cheney are brought up on charges of treason. Until the trial, however, I will simply trust the consensus of experts there were no WMD recognizing it's a personal opinion. It's you conservative brain defectives that science has shown to be the ones to confuse your opinions with reality. That is a scientific fact.

Lets just make sure I get this right:

Your opinion is right, even if you haven't personally verified it.
Other people's opinions are wrong if they haven't personally verified it?
Other people confuse opinions with reality.
Your opinion is reality?

 

[cabri]

Lets just make sure I get this right:

Your opinion is right, even if you haven't personally verified it.
Other people's opinions are wrong if they haven't personally verified it?
Other people confuse opinions with reality.
Your opinion is reality?

That is exactly how Moony and other die-hard liberals are.

Right or wrong, they are always right unless proven wrong, which can not be done because the evidence does not exists or tainted.:\

 

[ivwshane]

That is exactly how Moony and other die-hard liberals are.

Right or wrong, they are always right unless proven wrong, which can not be done because the evidence does not exists or tainted.:\

I'd love to send you a mirror, what's the address?

 

[werepossum]

Except that he posted to the same bogus story that started this thread (but on a different website).

I don't think that story is bogus. Both Fox News and NBC News reported that they had verified that Bergdahl's lawyer had been delivered a charge sheet. Certainly there's an internal struggle at the highest level as to whether to charge him, but I have no reason to doubt the story.

Sorry, I changed my post to better reflect my position and my feelings on the subject.

Glad to hear it, buddy.

 

[Nebor]

Hmm let's see, there are about 2.7 million people in the armed services, of those 1.4 are on active duty and about, exactly what percentage see any combat? Less than a million served at least one tour of duty in Afghanistan in a 13 year span with a peak troop level of about 200k and 100k in Afghanistan and Iraq respectively.

So no, they aren't putting in the most work or the most risk. However that's all besides the point and it wasn't meant as a knock on military people but more of a commentary of our current economic situation and an explanation why enlistment's might be up.

Of the ~450,000 active duty soldiers about 75% have deployed to OIF or OEF. The remaining 25% are mostly new to the force. More than half of currently serving soldiers have done more than one tour in Iraq or Afghanistan.

While I've worked with plenty of Air Force & Navy personnel overseas, I don't feel like it's really expected of them to participate in ground conflict, so I don't hold them to the same standard for not deploying to combat zones.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Your Huffington post link is fact then? Hah.

Can you refute the quote?

Can you refute the quoted radio transcripts that I linked?

Do you actually have a "fact"?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Don't you know gray, some guy on an Internet forum with 200 posts always trumps a news source and their reporters! Statements made on the internet are always more trust worthy than an article with sources to each of it's claims.


You are indeed hopeless gray!



/s

All my life. <sigh> Maybe I should become a 'gamer'.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Pure speculation

Exactly.

 

[ivwshane]

Can you refute the quote?

Can you refute the quoted radio transcripts that I linked?

Do you actually have a "fact"?

You just have to trust him

 

[Matt1970]

This problem you have with seeing things that aren't there, have you had it for a long time? Is it just words on a page or do you see objects that don't exist as well?

June 30, 2009

10:12: Radio traffic, presumably between Taliban fighters, crackles with the report “that an American soldier with a camera is looking for someone who speaks English.”

Maybe he was going to see if the Taliban was going to surrender?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Radio intercepts apparently carry no weight with you.

Like the ones where the Taliban are laughing about the soldier (apparently Bergdahl) that they captured while he was relieving himself on the street?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Maybe he was going to see if the Taliban was going to surrender?

Or, maybe he just went on a walkabout has he'd been known to do in the past.

 

[cabri]

Like the ones where the Taliban are laughing about the soldier (apparently Bergdahl) that they captured while he was relieving himself on the street?

so you & ivshane pick/choose which radio intercepts are valid

 

[Victorian Gray]

so you & ivshane pick/choose which radio intercepts are valid

So, feel free to show us some radio transcripts that prove he was off to join the Taliban.

Or are you claiming that the quoted/linked radio transcripts are fake?

 

[Nebor]

Or, maybe he just went on a walkabout has he'd been known to do in the past.

Do you not understand how not OK it is to go on a "walkabout" in Afghanistan as a US soldier? Even if he did it and came back, that'd likely land him in jail.

 

[ivwshane]

so you & ivshane pick/choose which radio intercepts are valid

No we take in all information and categorize it via how well it can be verified. It's why we put someone on the internet making a claim way down on the list of credibility. Are you saying you don't do this?

So again, do you have information that backs up you and other posters claims that can be verified or at least given some credibility?

No? Then you've got nothing. Put up or shut up.

 

[Matt1970]

Gotta love government handouts! And military service gives out the biggest piece!

It truly boggles my mind that you feel the military, which uniformly features the lowest pay, greatest hazard, greatest family disruption, and greatest loss of freedom of any possible job could ever be considered a handout.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[cabri]

Or, maybe he just went on a walkabout has he'd been known to do in the past.

So, feel free to show us some radio transcripts that prove he was off to join the Taliban.

Or are you claiming that the quoted/linked radio transcripts are fake?

From your own post #62

In a combat area, one does not do a "walk about" without his gear by accident. He knew better.

He left his post without his gear, without notifying anyone that he needed to leave and only took personal gear with him.

Spin it how ever you want; he left by choice; was not captured from his post.