Berg death gets more odd (9/11 connection)

[BarneyFife]

Check out this article link

He had his password comprimised by Moussai or whatever his name is. That is what his excuse was. This is too crazy to be a coincidence. Getting a password stolen by Al Queda and then being killed by them.

 

[conjur]

Yeah...supposedly met Moussaoui on a bus in Norman, OK (Where Moussaoui learned to fly planes) and agreed to let him use his computer, or something like that.

I've been saying that there's something about this whole situation that we don't know about. Something very fishy about it.

 

[Tripleshot]

Bazaar. This is either tabloid hijinks, or the oddest coincedence I have sen in a longtime.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This is really, really weird. I don't mean any disrespect toward the late Nick Berg, but if anything this, combined with his strange behavior in Iraq, certainly makes one wonder whether he was somehow enlisted as an al Queda operative. The coincidence is really disquieting and almost unbelievable.

 

[Ozoned]

Klez (the virus) would explain the coincidence, but who knows??

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Klez (the virus) would explain the coincidence, but who knows??

Apparently not. He definitely did have direct contact with an al Queda operative, and gave him his password (presumably for an ISP). CNN

 

[sandorski]

Strange indeed. Double Agent perhaps?

 

[BarneyFife]

Arabs think he was killed by the US to take pressure off the prison scandal.

Found this link with some interesting takes. link

I know its "conspiracy theories" but something doesn't add up.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Strange indeed. Double Agent perhaps?

It's impossible to know at this point. It doesn't sound to me like he ever would have had access to classified American info, but I could imagine a scenario like this:

1. He somehow became disenfranchised as a young man (a la John Walker Lindh)

2. He met the al Queda guy in Oklahoma, and was interested in helping them due to dissatisfaction with the US. We don't know what he did for a coupla years.

3. In the aftermath of the war, he went to Iraq under al Queda sponsorship, with an eye toward taking on a contract to provide satellite technology to the burgeoning postwar government (and hence siphon off info to provide to al Queda). He is totally unsuccessful.

4. He either volunteers (like a suicide bomber) or is forced to become a sacrifice to try to optimize the advantage al Queda can draw from the prisoner abuse scandal.

OBVIOUSLY, all this is sheer speculation, not any kind of accusation. I believe it is quite likely Berg was a completely innocent man, and I am surely not trying to speak ill of him. Regardless of who he was, this whole story is so strange that it lends itself to flights of fancy like mine.

 

[Genx87]

Ill await further confirmation but this does seem like a really wierd set of coincidences.

While I doubt he was killed by Bush to take heat off the prison problem. I could see him as either

A. A double agent
B. CIA agent
C. Al Queda agent who they feared was not on their side anymore and was to made an example of.

Now I dont usually buy into conspiracy theories but I will watch this one with interest from now on.

 

[digitalsm]

I dont get it, people say Bush is stupid, but yet they then say he does these crazy conspiracies.

If the US did something, it wouldnt have been Bush et al, it would have been the CIA. It seems like the CIA field operatives are the ones calling alot of the shots on the ground in Iraq.

 

[conjur]

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/

WEST CHESTER, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- When Nicholas Berg took an Oklahoma bus to a remote college campus a few years ago, the American recently beheaded by terrorists allowed a man with terrorist connections to use his laptop computer, according to his father.

Michael Berg said the FBI investigated the matter more than a year ago. He stressed that his son was in no way connected to the terrorists who captured and killed him.

Government sources told CNN that the encounter involved an acquaintance of Zacarias Moussaoui -- the only person publicly charged in the United States in connection with the September 11, 2001, terror attacks.

According to Berg, his son was taking a course a few years ago at a remote campus of the University of Oklahoma near an airport. He described how on one particular day, his son met "some terrorist people -- who no one knew were terrorists at the time."

At one point during the bus ride, Berg said, the man sitting next to his son asked if he could use Nick's laptop computer.

"It turned out this guy was a terrorist and that he, you know, used my son's e-mail, amongst many other people's e-mail who he did the same thing to," Berg said.

Government sources said Berg gave the man his password, which was later used by Moussaoui, the sources said.

The sources said the man who used Berg's e-mail knew Moussaoui, now awaiting trial on federal charges that could bring a death sentence. But the sources would not disclose details of how the men were connected.

Moussaoui, 36, was arrested in August 2001 after he aroused suspicion at a Minnesota flight school when he arrived for 747 simulator training without holding a pilot's license. A French national of Moroccan descent, Moussaoui has admitted in open court that he belonged to al Qaeda, the radical Islamic group behind the September 11 attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people.

But Moussaoui has fiercely denied being involved in the September 11 plot, and the prosecutors' theory of his role has shifted from being a possible 20th hijacker that day to possibly piloting a fifth hijacked jetliner targeting the White House.

Berg said his son cooperated fully with an FBI investigation into the matter.

"He was happy to cooperate, and that was never an issue," he said. He emphasized that the individual was not a friend of his son's or even an acquaintance -- "just a guy sitting next to him on the bus."

"Whoever was next to my son was treated with great respect and friendship. Like I said, he knew no dangers from people. The FBI were satisfied with that."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Okay, in spite of my post above, I am NOT a conspiracy theorist, but there are certain aspects of the case posted on this site that resonate with me as really, really weird. In particular:

1. The executioner signs off with al Zarqawi's name (and now the CIA has said they are certain he was the killer), yet he remains masked the entire time. Why identify yourself, but leave doubt among your followers by staying masked?

2. The body was, according to CNN, found on 8 May, yet on the tape the executioner states the date as 11 May, the date the tape was posted on the internet (per Drudge and al Jazeerah).

3. Berg is wearing a prison-style orange jumpuit in the tape. Where would terrorists get such a jumpsuit, and why would they use one?

Again, I am NOT arguing this means his death was somehow orchestrated by the CIA or anyone else other than the terrorists involved. I think it's likelier he was killed by terrorists. The bizarre aspects of this case (in particular, Berg's brush with al Queda in the past, and the conflicting reports about whether he was in Iraqi or US custody, and when), though, certainly make the whole thing suspect.

I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of this.

 

[katka]

My theory was special forces killed him. Not the terroristst. Yep, the voices were garbled, the video poor and there is NO WAY they would our could know who was behind those masks. This was my thought when I first saw the video and before I found out that he had been in the custody of the US or that his family also had suspicions.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: katka
My theory was special forces killed him. Not the terroristst. Yep, the voices were garbled, the video poor and there is NO WAY they would our could know who was behind those masks. This was my thought when I first saw the video and before I found out that he had been in the custody of the US or that his family also had suspicions.

I hope you are kidding

 

[leeboy]

Sorry for my daftness but have we recovered the dead body yet?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: leeboy
Sorry for my daftness but have we recovered the dead body yet? Or are we to just take it as the gospel that right when they pounce on him after screeming (and you can see the GLARING edit spot where you can tell the camera was stopped and then started again) that-that is actually Berg?

They already found this kids body days before this film was released and yes it was in 2 pieces. That has been reported

 

[leeboy]

Sorry about that. It hits too close to home and I have not been following it too much so I missed that part, at least the details. I saw a garbled video and after just rewatching what led up to it, I can see there are 2 camera's and 2 counters. I was going by the counter going from 2hr something then it went to 13hr but it is just another camera. Apologies.

 

[ThePresence]

You people are insane.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: sandorski
Strange indeed. Double Agent perhaps?

It's impossible to know at this point. It doesn't sound to me like he ever would have had access to classified American info, but I could imagine a scenario like this:

1. He somehow became disenfranchised as a young man (a la John Walker Lindh)

2. He met the al Queda guy in Oklahoma, and was interested in helping them due to dissatisfaction with the US. We don't know what he did for a coupla years.

3. In the aftermath of the war, he went to Iraq under al Queda sponsorship, with an eye toward taking on a contract to provide satellite technology to the burgeoning postwar government (and hence siphon off info to provide to al Queda). He is totally unsuccessful.

4. He either volunteers (like a suicide bomber) or is forced to become a sacrifice to try to optimize the advantage al Queda can draw from the prisoner abuse scandal.

OBVIOUSLY, all this is sheer speculation, not any kind of accusation. I believe it is quite likely Berg was a completely innocent man, and I am surely not trying to speak ill of him. Regardless of who he was, this whole story is so strange that it lends itself to flights of fancy like mine.

That's really F'd up. Who would want to get their head cut off, especially for the whole world and family to see? It also says services are being held a synagogue, so he's Jewish, and had a Isreali stamp on his passport, so maybe he's working for the Isreali's? Perhaps a triple agent, working for US vs Al Quesadia, but really for Isreali's. Perhaps they really killed him to make the US mad and strengthen our resolve?

Or perhaps its just a weird world and people should stop reading so many Clancy novels.

 

[heresiarh]

Man, whatever it was... the way he died was uncalled for. I am a muslim and I completely condemn his killing. Those suckers who sawed his head off bring disgrace to the name of allah and islam. I hope they get caught and brought to justice. I can only imagine what his family must be feeling.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Okay, in spite of my post above, I am NOT a conspiracy theorist, but there are certain aspects of the case posted on this site that resonate with me as really, really weird. In particular:

1. The executioner signs off with al Zarqawi's name (and now the CIA has said they are certain he was the killer), yet he remains masked the entire time. Why identify yourself, but leave doubt among your followers by staying masked?

2. The body was, according to CNN, found on 8 May, yet on the tape the executioner states the date as 11 May, the date the tape was posted on the internet (per Drudge and al Jazeerah).

3. Berg is wearing a prison-style orange jumpuit in the tape. Where would terrorists get such a jumpsuit, and why would they use one?

Again, I am NOT arguing this means his death was somehow orchestrated by the CIA or anyone else other than the terrorists involved. I think it's likelier he was killed by terrorists. The bizarre aspects of this case (in particular, Berg's brush with al Queda in the past, and the conflicting reports about whether he was in Iraqi or US custody, and when), though, certainly make the whole thing suspect.

I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of this.

WHY WOULD HE HAVE AN ORANGE JUMP SUIT? Terrorist do not normal change the clothing of there detainees.
I mean WHY WOULD THEY DRESS A PRISONER IN THE SAME COLORS AS THE US DETAINEES IN GITMO.
You know what I question that very much so as well.
Im no expert on this but that does not seem right at all.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: katka
My theory was special forces killed him. Not the terroristst. Yep, the voices were garbled, the video poor and there is NO WAY they would our could know who was behind those masks. This was my thought when I first saw the video and before I found out that he had been in the custody of the US or that his family also had suspicions.

hehe, so we are the enemy before all others?

I wonder who the true enemy is here...

 

[chrisms]

This is quite a coincidence. One which will fuel countless conspiracy theories, and likely leave us never knowing the full story.

 

[klah]

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/

At one point during the bus ride, Berg said, the man sitting next to his son asked if he could use Nick's laptop computer.

"It turned out this guy was a terrorist and that he, you know, used my son's e-mail, amongst many other people's e-mail who he did the same thing to," Berg said.

Government sources said Berg gave the man his password, which was later used by Moussaoui, the sources said.

[/quote]
So he gave his password to a stranger on a bus?