Benazir Bhutto dead in suicide bombing

[Jadow]

she was pretty hot back in the day

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: monk3y

Originally posted by: effee
A woman in charge of an Islamic nation? Never going to happen, it was just a matter of time

She has lead the nation in the past.

PJ, Flabster and effee obviously don't know any history.

I'm not here to defend Islamic nations, but they've had more women leaders then we have - I still hear morons (even on this board) who will discredit Clinton because she is a woman. There are plenty of other reasons to discredit her, but that is not one of them.

All those women leaders are dynastic, including India. Don't be under the illusion that farce in South Asia called Parliamentary democracy ever produced a candidate of merit who made an impact.

Anyway the system is crumbling now. What you are admiring today is on the verge of extinction.

Dynastic or not, shouldn't it be more difficult for them in Islamic countries anyway?

Anyway, I'm not at all surprised by this outcome at all... the future of Pakistan is not good for the US...

You are confused in thinking that these people get voted directly into power. In a parliamentary democracy (as in case of India), the people vote their local representatives and these crooks run the nation like an elite club.

So there is no way a voter ever got to directly vote for these people. This ain't a presidential system where the voters chose their leaders directly.

This is a plutocracy mixed with nepotism and sycophancy. The reason why these women lasted in their respective political arenas is because of the enormous wealth their hubbies has looted while alive and in power.

No, I'm not confused. I never once said they were voted directly in to power, did I?

Okay, but your original assumption of these women being candidates of merit did touch upon it.

I didn't say candidates of merit, either, but I can see how you might arrive at this conclusion. All I meant to do was point out that women have held "positions of power" in Islamic nations, something that seemed to mystify the usual suspects.

 

[jpeyton]

As long as they have nukes, we have to be friendly with them.

Which is why Iran is getting nukes too.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: mayanks098
you saying Mrs. Indira Gandhi was not a meritorious candidate?
okay,she had Gandhi name but she is one of the most powerful leaders of India.

She was a terrible human being and causes sectarian strife with her stupidity.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Braznor
Nawaz Sharief must be dancing with joy in private. He is now the sole claimant as the democratic candidate to the prime minister's chair, unless Musharaff's favorite judge (Choudhary) steps in as a rival, of course.

Anyway, the same fate probably awaits all of them.

Try again, Braznor

Sharif barred from running in Pakistan election
Dec. 18, 2007

The assassination changed everything. Your article is outdated. The commission which disqualified him was appointed by Musharaff himself according to your article.

The assassination has eliminated the most credible candidate, Bhutto. I don't think it would be possible for Musharaff to enforce the commission's judgment in sidelining Sharief anymore. He should be as happy as I predicted. Why wouldn't he be? His best longterm rival (as contrast to short term ally against Mush) to the throne just dropped dead!



Mark my words, Musharaff will be forced to allow Nawaz back in running.

P.S : I gotta rush for a few hours, so I will be back to answer your questions later. PM them to me if you like.

Satellite radio from Karachi - over the Internet

Nawaz Sharif radio interview
- party will boycott elections
- accuses gov't of rigging the vote - says gov't has no relevance
- 'no one has any faith or confidence in the gov't or upcoming elelections'

'interim' Interior Minister - radio interview
- blames criminals for demonstrating, says they are doing it for looting
- says they will not reinstate state of emergency, will see this 'incident' through to elections
- Bhutto's husband returning, have guaranteed safe passage for him
- great deal of discussion concerning 'investigation' of Oct 18 bombing by the Interior Ministry, questions as to where it stands and why international assistance was not accepted


- radio reports much arrest around country
- reporting 20-21 young male approached car with Bhutto inside, waved to her, she rose through a sunroof in the vehicle to wave and he drew a 'kalashnikov' rifle and shot her
- Bhutto was dead when she reached hospital, no pulse, respiration or blood pressure

 

[imported_Imp]

Saw it plastered on news when I woke up at 11:30am... Very very surprised, but felt a bit of "you knew it was going to happen".

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Imp
Saw it plastered on news when I woke up at 11:30am... Very very surprised, but felt a bit of "you knew it was going to happen".

I wasn't shocked at all - attempts have been made on her life, the idea that one of them succeeded doesn't seem surprising...

 

[Stoneburner]

Its' funny how the "ISLAMOFASCIST WANT TO EAT MY BABY!!!" crowd always stick their noses into these discussions and embarass themselves so thoroughly. They want to lump in all muslim nations and nations with muslims into one "islamonuttisphere" to justify all the stupidity that the U.S. has been engaged in since bush came to power. You people make assumptions about these nations which are baseless and never bother to learn what's really going on, and in this ignorance, we get wars with Iraq.

Several people have already pointed out, south asian and south east asian nations have a dynastic bent. Seems like the U.S. is about the joint them. But as for Bhutto herself, she was popular because she was NOT musharaff. She was always a lightweight and unequal to her task. Musharaff is an ass but he is cleverly balancing all the forces against him. I doubt musharaff had a hand in this assasination, however, because it's going to only hurt him. Somebody got to murder a politician they did not like and undermine musharaff at the same time. Brilliantly done, I must say.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You guys blaming "Islam" are idiots, you know that? She was very popular in Pakistan, and (I think) had a decent change of actually winning a fair and open election. Time will tell who did this, but I'm guessing either a fringe terrorist group or possibly the current government of Pakistan, which has been trying to drag its feet on fair and open elections for quite a while now. Recent developments suggest they might have given in on this point, but who knows what really goes on behind the scenes? In either case, trying to lay the blame at the feet of all Muslims in Pakistan is pretty fucking retarded...and demonstrates a pretty pathetic lack of understanding.

Do you think the people who did the bombing are Baptists?:roll:
Clearly, these were Islamic extremists.

 

[Aimster]

This has nothing to do with Islam.

This is pro-govt sending in their people to execute a threat to their power.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Do you think the people who did the bombing are Baptists?:roll:
Clearly, these were Islamic extremists.

Nah, it was all Bush's fault. And they were probably Baptists.

Seriously folks. Wake up. It's time to start calling a fucking spade exactly what it is.

 

[Farang]

Musharraf had nothing to do with this. He had her locked up for exactly this reason, because now he's really fucked especially with Sharif running his mouth about boycotts and whatnot.

Or maybe he had her locked up to make it seems as though he didn't want this to happen, knowing that she'd oppose it and protest until she was released and killed, absolving him of responsibility?

I love politics.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I'm not surprised in the least. It was a few weeks (maybe a month or so) when she returned to Pakistan and she had an aid with her. She told him that she didn't want him around cause she feared for her life. She knew it was coming which is why I think she was giving her life for what she believed in and knowingly so. Martyr may fit.

 

[palehorse]

*cough**cough*... ahem:

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The key is to remember that the fanatical aspects and players are a very small piece of the whole, and in no way represent the core beliefs of the truly peaceful majority.

That said, we still need to study and understand the aspects of Islam that do play a role in the current problems. Completely removing religion from the equation prevents one from producing a thorough and accurate analysis.

In essence, it's a small cancer that is slowly eating away at the very large Islamic body -- and some of our own actions and decisions are making it spread faster than it would otherwise -- but their religion is still a part of the problem nonetheless.

We simply need to reverse the trend.... somehow... before the cancer becomes consumed the majority!

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
*cough**cough*... ahem:

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The key is to remember that the fanatical aspects and players are a very small piece of the whole, and in no way represent the core beliefs of the truly peaceful majority.

That said, we still need to study and understand the aspects of Islam that do play a role in the current problems. Completely removing religion from the equation prevents one from producing a thorough and accurate analysis.

In essence, it's a small cancer that is slowly eating away at the very large Islamic body -- and some of our own actions and decisions are making it spread faster than it would otherwise -- but their religion is still a part of the problem nonetheless.

We simply need to reverse the trend.... somehow... before the cancer becomes consumed the majority!

STFU

What do you know about east asian politics besides the fact there are some moooslims there?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Its' funny how the "ISLAMOFASCIST WANT TO EAT MY BABY!!!" crowd always stick their noses into these discussions and embarass themselves so thoroughly. They want to lump in all muslim nations and nations with muslims into one "islamonuttisphere" to justify all the stupidity that the U.S. has been engaged in since bush came to power. You people make assumptions about these nations which are baseless and never bother to learn what's really going on, and in this ignorance, we get wars with Iraq.

Several people have already pointed out, south asian and south east asian nations have a dynastic bent. Seems like the U.S. is about the joint them. But as for Bhutto herself, she was popular because she was NOT musharaff. She was always a lightweight and unequal to her task. Musharaff is an ass but he is cleverly balancing all the forces against him. I doubt musharaff had a hand in this assasination, however, because it's going to only hurt him. Somebody got to murder a politician they did not like and undermine musharaff at the same time. Brilliantly done, I must say.

Almost as funny as the "BUSH WANT TO EAT MY BABY" crowd that downplays every Islamic terrorist act and threat. Almost.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: palehorse74
*cough**cough*... ahem:

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The key is to remember that the fanatical aspects and players are a very small piece of the whole, and in no way represent the core beliefs of the truly peaceful majority.

That said, we still need to study and understand the aspects of Islam that do play a role in the current problems. Completely removing religion from the equation prevents one from producing a thorough and accurate analysis.

In essence, it's a small cancer that is slowly eating away at the very large Islamic body -- and some of our own actions and decisions are making it spread faster than it would otherwise -- but their religion is still a part of the problem nonetheless.

We simply need to reverse the trend.... somehow... before the cancer becomes consumed the majority!

STFU

What do you know about east asian politics besides the fact there are some moooslims there?

There aren't that many Muslims in East Asia.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Its' funny how the "ISLAMOFASCIST WANT TO EAT MY BABY!!!" crowd always stick their noses into these discussions and embarass themselves so thoroughly. They want to lump in all muslim nations and nations with muslims into one "islamonuttisphere" to justify all the stupidity that the U.S. has been engaged in since bush came to power. You people make assumptions about these nations which are baseless and never bother to learn what's really going on, and in this ignorance, we get wars with Iraq.

Several people have already pointed out, south asian and south east asian nations have a dynastic bent. Seems like the U.S. is about the joint them. But as for Bhutto herself, she was popular because she was NOT musharaff. She was always a lightweight and unequal to her task. Musharaff is an ass but he is cleverly balancing all the forces against him. I doubt musharaff had a hand in this assasination, however, because it's going to only hurt him. Somebody got to murder a politician they did not like and undermine musharaff at the same time. Brilliantly done, I must say.

Almost as funny as the "BUSH WANT TO EAT MY BABY" crowd that downplays every Islamic terrorist act and threat. Almost.

But much funnier than the "BLAME EVERYTHING ON MOOSLIMS BECAUSE WE ARE IGNORANT AND TOO LAZY TO LEARN ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT TMZ.COM POSTS... AND WE WANT TO EAT OUR OWN BABIES" crowd.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: palehorse74
*cough**cough*... ahem:

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The key is to remember that the fanatical aspects and players are a very small piece of the whole, and in no way represent the core beliefs of the truly peaceful majority.

That said, we still need to study and understand the aspects of Islam that do play a role in the current problems. Completely removing religion from the equation prevents one from producing a thorough and accurate analysis.

In essence, it's a small cancer that is slowly eating away at the very large Islamic body -- and some of our own actions and decisions are making it spread faster than it would otherwise -- but their religion is still a part of the problem nonetheless.

We simply need to reverse the trend.... somehow... before the cancer becomes consumed the majority!

STFU

What do you know about east asian politics besides the fact there are some moooslims there?

There aren't that many Muslims in East Asia.

Well, i dont want to keep saying South and South East Asia but South Asia is underinclusive and east asia is overinclusive. ANd there are alot of muslims in South and South East Asia.

 

[darthsidious]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Islamic radicals have been calling for her death for a long time.

A woman in charge of a government in the Islamic world? No way they would stand for something like that.

QFT. :thumbsup:

Hilarious that people would expect a 'religion' which punishes the raped, rather than the raper, to accept a woman in a position of power or authority. Not gonna happen.

I would not be surprised if Pakistan has a civil war in the next few years, or at least an extend time of extreme radical bombings etc.

Let's hope we've got our hands on (their) nukes first.

You guys do realize that she already HAD been the prime minister of pakistan, right? Where was this assasination then???

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: palehorse74
*cough**cough*... ahem:

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The key is to remember that the fanatical aspects and players are a very small piece of the whole, and in no way represent the core beliefs of the truly peaceful majority.

That said, we still need to study and understand the aspects of Islam that do play a role in the current problems. Completely removing religion from the equation prevents one from producing a thorough and accurate analysis.

In essence, it's a small cancer that is slowly eating away at the very large Islamic body -- and some of our own actions and decisions are making it spread faster than it would otherwise -- but their religion is still a part of the problem nonetheless.

We simply need to reverse the trend.... somehow... before the cancer becomes consumed the majority!

STFU

What do you know about east asian politics besides the fact there are some moooslims there?

uhh, what the hell?!? What I said had nothing to do with any specific region...

I was trying to explain the need to include Islam as one aspect of the terrorism problems we're facing today. The point is this: while we should recognize that the terrorists in no way represent all of Islam, their religion is still one aspect of their biography that must be included in any thorough analysis and planning.

If we're to understand and overcome our enemies -- those who are also enemies of peaceful Muslims -- then we must study and understand their entire culture, including their religion and its role in their actions.

Ignoring Islam, as a factor in our analysis, would be a dangerous mistake.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: palehorse74
*cough**cough*... ahem:

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The key is to remember that the fanatical aspects and players are a very small piece of the whole, and in no way represent the core beliefs of the truly peaceful majority.

That said, we still need to study and understand the aspects of Islam that do play a role in the current problems. Completely removing religion from the equation prevents one from producing a thorough and accurate analysis.

In essence, it's a small cancer that is slowly eating away at the very large Islamic body -- and some of our own actions and decisions are making it spread faster than it would otherwise -- but their religion is still a part of the problem nonetheless.

We simply need to reverse the trend.... somehow... before the cancer becomes consumed the majority!

STFU

What do you know about east asian politics besides the fact there are some moooslims there?

There aren't that many Muslims in East Asia.

Well, i dont want to keep saying South and South East Asia but South Asia is underinclusive and east asia is overinclusive. ANd there are alot of muslims in South and South East Asia.

I think generally South Asia is where Pakistan is, South East Asia is what it is, and East Asia is the easternmost part of Asia excluding SE Asia (because it already has its own category). That is, China, Koreas, Japan, and Taiwan. So when you refer to a bunch of Muslims in East Asia it doesn't make much sense.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: mayanks098
you saying Mrs. Indira Gandhi was not a meritorious candidate?
okay,she had Gandhi name but she is one of the most powerful leaders of India.

It doesn't matter what she became after coming to power. The point is she came to power riding on the Nehru lineage and Gandhi surname.

Yes, she had a spine, an admirable quality lacking in the world today. But in other ways, she was no better than the filth we have in India at this point of time.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: palehorse74
*cough**cough*... ahem:

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The key is to remember that the fanatical aspects and players are a very small piece of the whole, and in no way represent the core beliefs of the truly peaceful majority.

That said, we still need to study and understand the aspects of Islam that do play a role in the current problems. Completely removing religion from the equation prevents one from producing a thorough and accurate analysis.

In essence, it's a small cancer that is slowly eating away at the very large Islamic body -- and some of our own actions and decisions are making it spread faster than it would otherwise -- but their religion is still a part of the problem nonetheless.

We simply need to reverse the trend.... somehow... before the cancer becomes consumed the majority!

STFU

What do you know about east asian politics besides the fact there are some moooslims there?

There aren't that many Muslims in East Asia.

Well, i dont want to keep saying South and South East Asia but South Asia is underinclusive and east asia is overinclusive. ANd there are alot of muslims in South and South East Asia.

I think generally South Asia is where Pakistan is, South East Asia is what it is, and East Asia is the easternmost part of Asia excluding SE Asia (because it already has its own category). That is, China, Koreas, Japan, and Taiwan. So when you refer to a bunch of Muslims in East Asia it doesn't make much sense.

In my experience, most would describe Afghanistan and Pakistan as "Central Asia." At least that's what we called it when I was there...

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: palehorse74
*cough**cough*... ahem:

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The key is to remember that the fanatical aspects and players are a very small piece of the whole, and in no way represent the core beliefs of the truly peaceful majority.

That said, we still need to study and understand the aspects of Islam that do play a role in the current problems. Completely removing religion from the equation prevents one from producing a thorough and accurate analysis.

In essence, it's a small cancer that is slowly eating away at the very large Islamic body -- and some of our own actions and decisions are making it spread faster than it would otherwise -- but their religion is still a part of the problem nonetheless.

We simply need to reverse the trend.... somehow... before the cancer becomes consumed the majority!

STFU

What do you know about east asian politics besides the fact there are some moooslims there?

There aren't that many Muslims in East Asia.

Well, i dont want to keep saying South and South East Asia but South Asia is underinclusive and east asia is overinclusive. ANd there are alot of muslims in South and South East Asia.

I think generally South Asia is where Pakistan is, South East Asia is what it is, and East Asia is the easternmost part of Asia excluding SE Asia (because it already has its own category). That is, China, Koreas, Japan, and Taiwan. So when you refer to a bunch of Muslims in East Asia it doesn't make much sense.

In my experience, most would describe Afghanistan and Pakistan as "Central Asia." At least that's what we called it when I was there...

You could be right on that, I've just seen it on the BBC as "South Asia" and put it there because when discussing Pakistan issues it is often in the context of relations with India, the hub of South Asia. I mean if Pakistan isn't "South Asia" then what is? India, Bangledesh, and Sri Lanka? Seems like too small of a category without Pakistan.