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mrjminer

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I'm not a Ben Carson fan but I'm really having trouble with the media demonizing this man over nothing of any real significance. It's been proven that Clinton told the public and families of the Benghazi victims bald faced lies in the wake of the attack and the media looks the other way. But when Carson may have misremembered something from many years ago...well hey, that's news! Media "vetting" of our Presidential candidates sinks to a new low.

If you are talking about the scholarship thing, the article in Politico initially outright lied in their original headline IIRC (don't remember what it was). Then, they changed it to imply that Carson claimed he applied for a full scholarship (now, it reads something like "Carson states full military scholarship, even though he never applied"), even though he never said he did.

The media can't be trusted, at all. The majority are shill companies for the far-leaning liberal arm. They have one mission and one mission only: get Hillary into the White House.

Ben Carson is literally a brain surgeon. Director at John's Hopkins pediatric. A genius and a great man who has used his genius to accomplish great things. However, the goal of the media? Elect... Hillary. A disgrace of a media we have now.

Ok, two missions: if not Hillary, then the second most worthless person: Bernie Sanders
 
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If you are talking about the scholarship thing, the article in Politico initially outright lied in their original headline IIRC (don't remember what it was). Then, they changed it to imply that Carson claimed he applied for a full scholarship (now, it reads something like "Carson states full military scholarship, even though he never applied"), even though he never said he did.

The media can't be trusted, at all. The majority are shill companies for the far-leaning liberal arm. They have one mission and one mission only: get Hillary into the White House.

Ben Carson is literally a brain surgeon. Director at John's Hopkins pediatric. A genius and a great man who has used his genius to accomplish great things. However, the goal of the media? Elect... Hillary. A disgrace of a media we have now.

Ok, two missions: if not Hillary, then the second most worthless person: Bernie Sanders
This is so incredibly trite...it's unbelievable that he's taking major heat in the media over this kind of bullshit. Shameless MSM hit job is shameless MSM hit job. Politifact weighs in.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../carson-defends-west-point-scholarship-story/
 

K1052

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Ok, so it seems he's just an idiot of monumental proportions.

That's reassuring.
 

werepossum

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LMAO!
 
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Ever see a fence with a little placard hanging from it with the fence/contractor's name and details? Same thing. They got a discount for allowing the fence builder to put that there. Ben Carson is an enthusiastic Mannatech user and I'm willing to bet that they liked his endorsement so much they offered him free product, discounts, and paid speeches like any other promotional department would.

Ever notice that local radio personalities go on and on about the services and products they use? "If you have an import luxury vehicle and you're out of your factory warranty, do like I do and take it to Braxxton automotive." Same thing. Often times they were never approached about it until AFTER they were already doing personal business together. "Hey, if you mention this on the air I'll give you a discount." If that mention seems to work then they often form a real advertising relationship afterwards. You can tell a lot about particular radio personalities based on the advertisements they voice. Each one has their own clients that they have cultivated from their encounters. Some are straight up approached and paid, others are clearly private relationships that went public (got an alarm system and was offered a discount; had eye surgery at a particular clinic and was offered a discount; got carpets cleaned and was offered a discount; etc).

He's a fanboy who likes to talk about it and they like the promotion enough to fan the flames.

Meeting Westmoreland on the merits of your ROTC involvement is a big deal. Being offered West Point by him is a bigger deal.



"poverbs?!"

Please continue the hand waving.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/...carsons-ties-with-supplement-maker-mannatech/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ben-car...nt-firm-that-faced-legal-challenge-1444057743

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2...-thinking-skills-extends-to-medicine-as-well/
 

desy

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If someone gets some facts wrong and unwittingly repeat them, then that's unfortunate, but doesn't mark them as a liar or stupid or bad person. But if they keep telling the wrong facts, and keep going to the same sources of information that give them wrong facts, then that shows that they just don't care about the facts or the truth. A comparison to conspiracy theorists is a good one. If he made up stories in his biography I find that interesting, but not a reason to vote for or against him. I know a lot of memoirs and biographies have exaggerations to make stories work better, or just have honest mis-remembering things. It wouldn't surprise me if he made up stuff. I would like to see the stuff from his book to be investigated, just because it would be interesting to see how much he might have made up. But I hope he's brought down by his constant disregard for actual facts regarding science and politics in the current day, not for possible lies about his childhood.

I am much more concerned with Carson's present day wackadoodle beliefs than his lies. For the life of me, I cannot understand how Carson successfully navigated medical school with YEC views that are incongruent with how the world, including biology, actually works, unless he came to his current beliefs sometime after achieving his degrees. The pyramids story is a real doozy, because even if he really believes it, he should be intelligent and circumspect enough to know to keep it under his hat, but he is not. Not only does this show a person who is not very smart or self-aware, but someone who believes what he is told without question if it comports with dogma he has chosen to embrace.

I think that prior to his run for president Carson basically spoke in terms of parables. Ever since Jesus, (and probably before) preachers have peppered their sermons with ancedoteshttp://www.snopes.com/glurge/glurge.asp that clearly illustrate whatever point they are trying to make. For this purpose it doesn't really matter whether Carson actually was the only honest person in his class, or a dying child actually saw the angel of his dead grandfather cure his cancer, or a Samaritan actually stopped to rescue an injured Jew. All that matters is that it feels true and supports his view point. Further saying the story happened to you rather than to someone else just make it all the more personal and inspiring. It makes a much better story to say that it was your niece who was cured, instead of just some child you heard of, even if you don't actually have a niece. So long as it inspires the faith of the listeners its all good, and the actual facts are irrelevant.

If the audience is supportive of your view and wants to have their faith inspired then this strategy is just fine. No one will bother checking it out, preferring to take it as true on faith. In fact, if pressed some in the audience will admit that what was said may not have actually happened but still think that the point of the story was right. The problem is that now that he is on the national stage and no longer in front of an entirely supportive audience who are more interested in facts than in faith, this strategy will blow up in his face.

Exactly, his wacka doodle ideas show a bias that can't be reasoned with even with proven evidence. Not a person I would support
 

werepossum

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If you are talking about the scholarship thing, the article in Politico initially outright lied in their original headline IIRC (don't remember what it was). Then, they changed it to imply that Carson claimed he applied for a full scholarship (now, it reads something like "Carson states full military scholarship, even though he never applied"), even though he never said he did.

The media can't be trusted, at all. The majority are shill companies for the far-leaning liberal arm. They have one mission and one mission only: get Hillary into the White House.

Ben Carson is literally a brain surgeon. Director at John's Hopkins pediatric. A genius and a great man who has used his genius to accomplish great things. However, the goal of the media? Elect... Hillary. A disgrace of a media we have now.

Ok, two missions: if not Hillary, then the second most worthless person: Bernie Sanders
Politico has pretty much become MSNBC or Huffy Post, which is odd since I can remember thinking them right of center in years past.
 

mrjminer

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There are a few things you may notice about that article, as well. Very high-level tactics used, no joke.

The media can't be trusted, even the ones you can trust.
"Mostly True"??? WTF? West Point's own website uses the term "full scholarship" and Politifact explicitly states this in their article. Politico, I understand their MO...but Politifact flailing about over a matter of incredibly trivial semantics and twisting it is something to behold and gives one more than a little insight into the true lack of objectivity of this organization.
 

CZroe

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"Mostly True"??? WTF? West Point's own website uses the term "full scholarship" and Politifact explicitly states this in their article. Politico, I understand their MO...but Politifact flailing about over a matter of incredibly trivial semantics and twisting it is something to behold and gives one more than a little insight into the true lack of objectivity of this organization.

I thought "mostly true" acknowledges that nothing was fabricated but there are concerns with the terminology even if West Point uses it. I don't take issue with labeling it "mostly true."
 
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I thought "mostly true" acknowledges that nothing was fabricated but there are concerns with the terminology even if West Point uses it. I don't take issue with labeling it "mostly true."
He used the same terminology that West Point uses. Seems to me that Politifact should be fact-checking West Point instead of Ben Carson. There was ZERO intent to deceive. The MSM obviously has a hard-on for him and want to demonize him in any way possible, no matter how trivial.
 

fskimospy

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He used the same terminology that West Point uses. Seems to me that Politifact should be fact-checking West Point instead of Ben Carson. There was ZERO intent to deceive. The MSM obviously has a hard-on for him and want to demonize him in any way possible, no matter how trivial.

So now politifact is part of the media bias conspiracy too for saying that things are a bit ambiguous? Jesus Christ there is no limit to how far you guys will go to convince yourselves that you're victims.
 
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He used the same terminology that West Point uses. Seems to me that Politifact should be fact-checking West Point instead of Ben Carson. There was ZERO intent to deceive. The MSM obviously has a hard-on for him and want to demonize him in any way possible, no matter how trivial.

The thing is either he made the story up & conveniently West Point offers it or he made a statement to embellish himself. There isn't any doubts about him being a successful guy its just that statement is correct only when its evaluated, you'd never make a statement like that in normal conversation or you'd be called an asshole.
 

Meghan54

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Republican Ben Carson is defending his continuing business relationship with a friend convicted of defrauding insurance companies.

At a campaign stop Friday in South Carolina, the Republican presidential candidate said he has no regrets over helping Alfonso A. Costa avoid prison time.


"I can tell you that there's a reason he's my closest friend," Carson said Friday. "I know his heart."


The Associated Press reported Thursday that Carson has invested millions of dollars in real estate deals through a firm run by Costa, whose dentistry license was revoked following his conviction. Carson's campaign has refused to answer questions about the extent of his business ties with Costa, and the candidate did not directly address that issue in his comments Friday.


Carson appeared as a character witness at the 2008 sentencing hearing for the Pittsburgh dentist, who pleaded guilty to health care fraud. Though the felony charge carries a recommended sentence of up to 10 years, the judge sentenced Costa to a single year of house arrest at his suburban mansion.


"I don't think that case needs to be re-litigated in public," Carson said. "The penalty has been assessed. It's been served. Whether it's just or not doesn't really matter."


In his 2013 book "America the Beautiful," Carson called for severe penalties for those convicted of health care fraud, including at least a decade in prison and "the loss of all of one's personal possessions."


Carson conceded that it could appear hypocritical for him to call for harsh sentences for others convicted of fraud while defending his friend.


"I recognize that it would appear that way on the surface," Carson said, adding that Costa is "one of the most honest people" he knows.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ntist-convicted-of-fraud/ar-BBmYr95?li=AA5a8k


And Carson just keeps giving. So, because Carson "knows his heart", that makes insurance fraud OK in this case. And this is the most honest person Carson knows.
 

brycejones

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He used the same terminology that West Point uses. Seems to me that Politifact should be fact-checking West Point instead of Ben Carson. There was ZERO intent to deceive. The MSM obviously has a hard-on for him and want to demonize him in any way possible, no matter how trivial.

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