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That has to be the craziest headline for a presidential candidate ever.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/ben-carson-may-have-never-stabbed-anyone.html
LOL! I love it.
That has to be the craziest headline for a presidential candidate ever.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/ben-carson-may-have-never-stabbed-anyone.html
What memory was "wholly fabricated?" Not finding anyone who can remember students hiding in a biology lab is not the same as saying that white students never hid in any room. It's a ridiculous reach, really. How long ago was that again?!
We're aren't arguing that it's not a pattern. It's a pattern of recollection inaccuracies you and anyone else would have recalling such details from almost 50 years ago. None of those details changed the point he was making and, thus, you lose the motive you're trying to prove when pointing out this "pattern."
Gifted Hands was published in 1992, not last week.
Why are you picking on Ben?
Sure was. That's DECADES from his childhood and DECADES of recalled/reinforced memories since.Gifted Hands was published in 1992, not last week.
Yep. Strange how I take this entirely differently than you.In his own words:
Tell the truth. If you tell the truth all the time you don't have to worry three months down the line about what you said three months earlier. Truth is always the truth. You won't have to complicate your life by trying to cover up.
― Ben Carson, Think Big: Unleashing Your Potential for Excellence
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quote...for-excellence
Sure was. That's DECADES from his childhood and DECADES of recalled/reinforced memories since.
Yep. Strange how I take this entirely differently than you.
He's honest to a fault. Crazy, but honest.
I keep telling you: Reinforcement through recollection.DECADES you say? DECADES?
Damn, how did he manage to remember all that medicine stuff that he went to school to learn.
That has to be the craziest headline for a presidential candidate ever.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/ben-carson-may-have-never-stabbed-anyone.html
CZRoe is correct in the sense that memory, especially personal memory, is a horrible representation of reality. This is why "eyewitness" reports or trial witnesses are horribly unreliable, despite what TV and fiction lead us to believe.
One's own memory of a week or even less prior can easily be horribly distorted. Hard to fault the guy for likely mis-remembering past events when it is the default condition of all humans.
Now, that's one thing.
The problem with Carson is that he has made his case as a candidate based primarily on two traits:
--his faith
--his honesty
Because his primary qualification, as he has self-reported, is faith, this makes his faith a target for scrutiny. No question about it. Anyone whining about people asking him questions regarding his faith, need to slow down and shut the fuck up. That is his primary qualification, therefore it is up for debate.
Second, his honesty. This really is his own fault. You can't put up such a flawed human characteristic as a pillar of your value when you have such a history of either faulty recollection or targeted dishonesty (whichever it happens to be), in public scrutiny. These are words he published, this is one of his primary claims of his qualifications...so he has no one but himself to blame when he has no other history of qualifications that are typically used to scrutinize a presidential candidate.
He is trying to become the most powerful person in the world. This isn't a place for a little girly man to whine and bitch about being asked rather softball questions regarding the extremely limited set of topics which can be asked about him.
He is very proud of the fact that he isn't a politician, his 3rd primary qualification for becoming president, yet he's trying to play the game with politicians that actually know what they are doing. This is rather embarrassing, tbh.
Malicious vilification and intellectual dishonesty from the Left?!? Say it isn't so.
So, Fox News is part of the left now? They ran with the story as well.
So Carson is a complete nutjub and a liar, seems typical for a rightwinger. I can see why he's so popular with the idiot class.
CZRoe is correct in the sense that memory, especially personal memory, is a horrible representation of reality. This is why "eyewitness" reports or trial witnesses are horribly unreliable, despite what TV and fiction lead us to believe.
One's own memory of a week or even less prior can easily be horribly distorted. Hard to fault the guy for likely mis-remembering past events when it is the default condition of all humans.
Now, that's one thing.
I agree to an extent. But, attempting to kill someone with a knife - details may be forgotten, but you don't forget who you attempted to kill (provided you knew the person). Are you suggesting that maybe someone else attempted to kill someone on a television show that Carson was watching, and he mis-remembered it as him trying to kill a friend - then a family member? Further, he changed his claim from his book - can CZroe explain how "reinforcing an incorrect memory" leads to rejecting that memory and changing it 20 years later?
I'm willing to grant that he wasn't intentionally dishonest about the scholarship stuff, I think there is a little hair splitting there.Very insightful. There are both valid and invalid criticisms of his recollection, but most fail to show any malicious motivation and, thus, it's a stretch to consider it "fabricated" or "intentionally dishonest." The Politico article was undeniably intentionally dishonest.
These are some of the reasons why I do not support him as a presidential candidate either. I would not be enthused with him even as another's running mate....
Nonetheless, I think he is a complete joke of a candidate and what this stuff has done is not only shed light on some possible dishonesty, but shine multiple spotlights on his rank incompetence at the task at hand. The way he was with the interviewer during the CNN interview was an abomination. He handled himself like a whiny little bitch, and now he's tweeting a mock thanks to the media. Who does he think he is, Trump? Because Trump has acted like that for years but he knows what he's doing. Carson just comes across as a complete amateur.
I don't know what Republicans think they are doing supporting him. He would get absolutely crushed by Hillary. Can anybody seriously imagine him in a debate against Hillary and not getting obliterated?
Malicious vilification and intellectual dishonesty from the Left?!? Say it isn't so.
Why are you picking on Ben?
I keep telling you: Reinforcement through recollection.
It doesn't take a neuroscientist to understand that memories change the same way they stick. When a recollection is unchallenged it is often further enforced with positive results.
You are really bad at this "back and forth" thing if a previous answer applies to your "gotcha" question.
Doctors clearly aren't immune to the effect. I was recently prescribed antibiotics for a genetic/autoimmune diagnosis saying "it's bacterial."