moshquerade
No Lifer
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Don-Don-Don. i live in NY. Hilary is NOT popular here. she made a bunch of empty promises which got her votes. NYers are not fond of her.
Don Vito Corleone
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:roll: So do you speak for all New Yorkers? Hilary has a 63% approval rating, with only 29% unfavorable. Hell, she gets 60% support even in the relatively conservative upstate NY (where Riprorin is a registered voter!).
As it happens, much of my family and many of my friends live in NY as well (mostly in Manhattan, though my Dad's primary residence is on the North Fork of LI). I don't know anyone who perceives Hilary as even moderately beatable in 2006.
She's not?
Hmmm...
February 9, 2005 - Clinton Thumps Pataki, Edges Giuliani In Reelect Bid, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; New York Voters Say 2 -1 She's Honest
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11373.xml?ReleaseID=647
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,157119,00.html
Don Vito Corleone
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So, are we going to hear an explanation for how Hilary is pulling a 63% approval rating when "NYers are not fond of her," or not?
cKGunslinger
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I'm relatively sure you're not in danger of doing so, but just in case, let me caution you against holding your breath while waiting for that answer.
moshquerade
No Lifer
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you family/Dad think highly of Hilary? ask them what she has done for them lately.
and i don't put faith in polls.
moshquerade
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Don Vito Corleone
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Where did I say they thought highly of her? I said they felt she was unbeatable, and the polls bear that out. My guess is that you "put faith" in her poll numbers when they were bad 4 1/2 years ago, no?
moshquerade
No Lifer
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you piped in that you had family in NY. i asked their opinion of our Senator for a view other than quoted polls that are biased samplings saying how popular she is.
and you've guessed wrong. i don't "put faith" in poll numbers.
Don Vito Corleone
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LOL - way to edit your own text in my embedded quote. I can't say I've ever seen that done before. If your "question" was really meant as one, I think it's safe to say my family is ambivalent about Hilary. I myself admire her great intelligence, but don't really warm to her, you know? I don't find her especially likeable, though God knows she's more appealing, to me at least, than John Kerry.
Actually, my boss, a strident neoconservative and Bush supporter, recently met with Hilary at a Washington AIPAC conference (he heads our state's AIPAC delegation), and was very favorably impressed with her. He is leaning toward supporting her in 2008 if she ends up running against Frist for President.
Starbuck1975
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The conservative base in NY is not particularly politically active given that the state largely shifts Democrat for most elections...conservatives in NY, unless they have a strong candidate to rally behind, will not bother with voting.
The interesting thing about NY is that even in middle class and rural areas, there is still a more progressive liberal mindset...I think the majority of New Yorkers would consider themselves political moderates, leaning perhaps a bit to the left if blue collar or a bit to the right if white collar.
If the Republicans want to take out Hillary, they will need a moderate but politically strong candidate...a far right candidate won't resonate with NY voters.
Guliani probably would have taken her out were it not for the series of events that resulted in his dropping from the race...but he has been out of the political limelight for a while, which could make a 2006 bid problematic.
Not surprising...although the problem with polls is that it doesn't provide insight into why voters feel a particular way about a candidate...I can't really point to one positive thing she has done for NY, and I doubt her supporters could either.
Okay, we've got one side who believes Hillary is popular with the majority of NY state voters. They back this up with a poll. On the other side, we have those (moshquerade) who believe that Hillary Clinton is not popular with a majority of NY state voters. They (she) back this up with... with... with...
moshquerade
No Lifer
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sue me
i was trying to make it more clear so you wouldn't misinterpret it like you were.
as you can see i didn't edit it in my original post. so get over it.
most people who meet Hilary are starstruck. even i, who am not a supporter of her husband as President, would be awed to meet him.
Hilary is using New York as a stepping stone. i have always felt that.
moshquerade
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i back it up with being a resident of the state, being here and hearing the people.
granted, i am upstate, but that is usually who is given the short end of the stick in these matters.
You live pretty north upstate, don't you? Well, down around NYC it's a different story, let alone in NYC itself. Talking with people around you doesn't count for sh|t I'm afraid. You've sort of gotta talk with everyone else, which is what a poll attempts to do.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
- Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
ferchrissakes, i just got back to this thread. keep it in your pants.
My point being, that a reasonable answer for that proposed incongruency is not going to rear its head anytime soon. And by your "I don't put faith in polls" response, I see my assertation still stands.
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: moshquerade
ferchrissakes, i just got back to this thread. keep it in your pants.
My point being, that a reasonable answer for that proposed incongruency is not going to rear its head anytime soon. And by your "I don't put faith in polls" response, I see my assertation still stands.
how dare you use reason!!! :|
moshquerade
No Lifer
- Nov 1, 2001
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polls are biased samplings. go ahead and put blind faith in them.Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: moshquerade
ferchrissakes, i just got back to this thread. keep it in your pants.
My point being, that a reasonable answer for that proposed incongruency is not going to rear its head anytime soon. And by your "I don't put faith in polls" response, I see my assertation still stands.
and btw, kiss off. my answer was my opinion and reasonable. don't you come in here spouting off like you are something great and my opinion doesn't mean sh!t.
moshquerade
No Lifer
- Nov 1, 2001
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I can't walk down the street without walking into a dozen iPod twirling, Che Guevara worshiping, Starbucks guzzling, exfoliatedmosturizedpurified sacks of human garbage. Do I make myself clear? They don't care how bad Hillary is, all they need to see is the big 'D' next to her name.
moshquerade
No Lifer
- Nov 1, 2001
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so they don't care who the candidate is or what they have done just as long as he/she is a Dem.
that's sadass.
Don Vito Corleone
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What do you make of the fact that your fellow wise-and-enlighted upstate residents also show 60% support for Hilary?
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