Being a waiter sucks...

[badmouse]

Look, dude, if being a waiter sucks, don't be a waiter.

Just don't whine to us about your situation. If you didn't know when you started how wierd it was going to be, you know now. There are a LOT of people who don't tip. Get used to it. If you can't deal with it, don't try to change the system - it ain't gonna happen. Find another job, okay?

(I'm an ex-waitress.)

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: Haps
I really love these threads. It's good to have one every few months. All they do is serve to strengthen my resolve against the tipping practice. They remind me that I think it's bullshit and that I refuse to follow some stupid social pressure to subsidize someone's employment.

I wasn't aware that an employer is required to bring an employee up to minimum wage if their tips were insufficient to do so. I will have to check into that because if it's true then I will flat out refuse to tip under any circumstances because serving is a minimum wage job and doesn't deserve a penny more then minimum wage.

Cook your own dinner at home and don't bother some college kid busting his ass trying to work through school.

A decent human being will be sat at his/her table instead of you.

The thing is the college kid could be doing data entry and making $8-$10 an hour instead.

Why even speak to your absolutely ridiculous point? In every situation it is not feasible that a data entry job is available in every single instance but kids choose to work in a restaurant instead. You may be happy geeking your way through life typing on a computer but it is not for everyone. Society has dictated that you pay less for your food at a restaurant in lieu of your tipping.

If you don't like it, cook your food at home instead of stiffing some kid because you're a pathetic cheapskate.

 

[OMG1Penguin]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
"Don't give me that. She don't make enough money, she can quit. I don't tip because society says I have to. Alright, I mean I'll tip if somebody really deserves a tip, if they really put forth the effort, I'll give 'em something extra, but I mean this tipping automatically is for the birds. She was OK - but she wasn't anything special. Hey Look, I ordered coffee, right? Now we've been here a long fvckin time, and she's only filled my cup three times. When I order coffee, I want it filled six times... Jesus Christ - I mean these ladies aren't starving to death. They make minimum wage. You know, I used to work minimum wage. And when I did, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job society deemed tip-worthy. Hey, I'm very sorry that the government taxes their tips. That's fvcked up. That ain't my fault. It would appear that waitresses are just one of the many groups the government fvcks in the ass on a regular basis. You show me a paper says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it. But what I won't do is play ball. And this non-college bullshit you're giving me, I got two words for that: "Learn to fuckin type." Cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent, you're in for a big fvckin' surprise." - Reservoir Dogs

Just for that, I'm putting RD on my netflix queue


... and I agree completely.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I haven't tipped in weeks. Haven't gone anywhere either. Last tip was ~$40 on a ~$73 tab...

:thumbsdown:
IMO that's way to much.

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: lightweight
Do we really need to see a thread every single day about tipping? If you need to find someone that shares your woes with you just check yesterdays thread about angry pizza delivery men. These threads are all the same..

would you rather have new threads every day about

a) Jessica Alba is a hottie!
b) how do you ask a girl out?
c) Bush is an ass
d) I'm bored... let's play a game...


at least there's some intelligent issues being discussed here

 

[Haps]

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Cook your own dinner at home and don't bother some college kid busting his ass trying to work through school.

A decent human being will be sat at his/her table instead of you.

Bustin his ass? Waiting tables is a minimum wage job. It is unskilled labour that is all that physically demanding compared to other minimum wage worthy labour. And workers generally have a better working envornment then other unskilled labour(air-conditioning, heating etc)

That college student is working a job that is worthy of minimum wage. Perhaps you feel that waiting tables is deserving of a higher wage. I disagree. Due to the fact that no education and little skill is required and it's not physically demanding there are a lot of people capable of doing the job. Hence supply and demand. Lot sof people capaable of doing a job it won't pay well. So waiting tables is a min wage job which the federal gov't mandates they get one way or the other.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: Haps

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Cook your own dinner at home and don't bother some college kid busting his ass trying to work through school.

A decent human being will be sat at his/her table instead of you.

Bustin his ass? Waiting tables is a minimum wage job. It is unskilled labour that is all that physically demanding compared to other minimum wage worthy labour. And workers generally have a better working envornment then other unskilled labour(air-conditioning, heating etc)

That college student is working a job that is worthy of minimum wage. Perhaps you feel that waiting tables is deserving of a higher wage. I disagree. Due to the fact that no education and little skill is required and it's not physically demanding there are a lot of people capable of doing the job. Hence supply and demand. Lot sof people capaable of doing a job it won't pay well. So waiting tables is a min wage job which the federal gov't mandates they get one way or the other.

I hope you're a repeat customer to a particular restaurant. Next trip I hope you're remembered and have a waiter shady enough to jerkoff in your food.

Happy dining!

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: Haps
I really love these threads. It's good to have one every few months. All they do is serve to strengthen my resolve against the tipping practice. They remind me that I think it's bullshit and that I refuse to follow some stupid social pressure to subsidize someone's employment.

I wasn't aware that an employer is required to bring an employee up to minimum wage if their tips were insufficient to do so. I will have to check into that because if it's true then I will flat out refuse to tip under any circumstances because serving is a minimum wage job and doesn't deserve a penny more then minimum wage.

Cook your own dinner at home and don't bother some college kid busting his ass trying to work through school.

A decent human being will be sat at his/her table instead of you.

The thing is the college kid could be doing data entry and making $8-$10 an hour instead.

Why even speak to your absolutely ridiculous point? In every situation it is not feasible that a data entry job is available in every single instance but kids choose to work in a restaurant instead. You may be happy geeking your way through life typing on a computer but it is not for everyone. Society has dictated that you pay less for your food at a restaurant in lieu of your tipping.

If you don't like it, cook your food at home instead of stiffing some kid because you're a pathetic cheapskate.

If you actually read above in my post, I stated I tip 15%. Your presumption of you vs. me makes you look like a tool. What I stated is proof that a college kid busting his @$$ doesn't have to. That argument of yours is completely flawed. Try another. It was his choice to take a job that MAY or MAY NOT put him above a guy doing data entry or whatever else job it is that doesn't take any more skill than pushing buttons. Yet he/she chooses to "bust their @$$". Why ? Because tips can actually put them over the min. wage mark and when it doesn't happen... they b!tch. :roll: It's a gamble. Don't do it if you don't like losing.

Oh and by the way... "pay less for my food in lieu of my tipping" ??? I pay $15 + $3 tip for a pasta plate with chicken and alfredo sauce. You call that cheap ? Any idea how much I would be able to make my own for ? Maybe $3 total at the supermarket. When I eat out, I love having the food made for me and that's what I pay for. Don't tell me it's made cheaper (?!) so I can tip the waiter more. Where do you come up with this stuff ?!

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: Haps

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Cook your own dinner at home and don't bother some college kid busting his ass trying to work through school.

A decent human being will be sat at his/her table instead of you.

Bustin his ass? Waiting tables is a minimum wage job. It is unskilled labour that is all that physically demanding compared to other minimum wage worthy labour. And workers generally have a better working envornment then other unskilled labour(air-conditioning, heating etc)

That college student is working a job that is worthy of minimum wage. Perhaps you feel that waiting tables is deserving of a higher wage. I disagree. Due to the fact that no education and little skill is required and it's not physically demanding there are a lot of people capable of doing the job. Hence supply and demand. Lot sof people capaable of doing a job it won't pay well. So waiting tables is a min wage job which the federal gov't mandates they get one way or the other.

I hope you're a repeat customer to a particular restaurant. Next trip I hope you're remembered and have a waiter shady enough to jerkoff in your food.

Happy dining!

Another flawed argument. The kid is supposed to do his job. He got hired to do something and if he chooses to spit on someone's food and gets caught, will he use the argument that he didn't get tipped in addition to his sh!tty salary ?

Tipping is optional. Don't forget it. And don't forget there are tons of other jobs out there.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: Haps

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Cook your own dinner at home and don't bother some college kid busting his ass trying to work through school.

A decent human being will be sat at his/her table instead of you.

Bustin his ass? Waiting tables is a minimum wage job. It is unskilled labour that is all that physically demanding compared to other minimum wage worthy labour. And workers generally have a better working envornment then other unskilled labour(air-conditioning, heating etc)

That college student is working a job that is worthy of minimum wage. Perhaps you feel that waiting tables is deserving of a higher wage. I disagree. Due to the fact that no education and little skill is required and it's not physically demanding there are a lot of people capable of doing the job. Hence supply and demand. Lot sof people capaable of doing a job it won't pay well. So waiting tables is a min wage job which the federal gov't mandates they get one way or the other.

I hope you're a repeat customer to a particular restaurant. Next trip I hope you're remembered and have a waiter shady enough to jerkoff in your food.

Happy dining!

Another flawed argument. The kid is supposed to do his job. He got hired to do something and if he chooses to spit on someone's food and gets caught, will he use the argument that he didn't get tipped in addition to his sh!tty salary ?

Tipping is optional. Don't forget it. And don't forget there are tons of other jobs out there.

Hey jerky, your deeming my argument as flawed is about as valid as your point on not being cheap. You really can STFU to that point already.

 

[rh71]

SoylentGreen - you sound like you're still in HS. Why am I "jerky" and how am I "cheap" ? Fail reading comprehension ? You want more than 15% now ?

The one thing I'll give waiters... is credit for doing a job very few would choose to do.

 

[maziwanka]

oh man. i feel bad for you. hopefully things look better tomorrow

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge
I tip pretty much $10 when I eat out. Bills are usually around $30 before tip so I tip "well" One place I tip more is a place called Bucca Di Beppo because the wait staff are so professional and the service is so awsome they deserve it. The last time I was there I tipped $20 on a $35 bill. The higher class of place I think lends to waiters making more money, the only problem is that higher class restaurants probably have people at the tables for alot longer period of time.

http://www.bucadibeppo.com/ If you never eaten at one try it, but bring lots of friends. Thier one chicken dish is around 16lbs. They have a "pope table" that sits like 18 also.

Damn, that place looks great. I will have to check them out next time I am down in the states. ~

 

[Snuffaluffaguss]

Originally posted by: Haps

Bustin hisPerhaps you feel that waiting tables is deserving of a higher wage. I disagree. Due to the fact that no education and little skill is required and it's not physically demanding there are a lot of people capable of doing the job. [/quote]

If you think waiting tables requires "no skill" and is not physically demanding then you have never actually worked as a server. You have no basis to judge how dificult a job is unless you have actually done it. On a busy night when you are on your feet for 8 hours, constantly moving, taking no breaks, carrying heavy trays, putting up with jerks like you, and still providing good service to several tables of people at the same, you can't tell me that is not demanding. As far as the skill is concerned, have you ever had a good waiter and a bad waiter? There is a skill involved here. I would love to see you try to handle getting double or triple sat in the middle of a busy night and still handle it.

I don't work as a server anymore, but I know what it takes to do the job correctly. I wish everyone had to work as a server for a couple months. Then at least everyone would acutally know what they are talking about.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I haven't tipped in weeks. Haven't gone anywhere either. Last tip was ~$40 on a ~$73 tab...

:thumbsdown:
IMO that's way to much.

Maybe, but she did an excellent job. The people in there take care of me (I had way more than $73 worth of alcohol). Plus she chased me down all night, for some reason I had trouble staying in one place. And despite the total cunts[/b] that hung out around my pool table getting in my way, the waitress kept me in a good mood. I thought she deserved it (the copious amounts of liquor flowing through my viens helped).

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge
I tip pretty much $10 when I eat out. Bills are usually around $30 before tip so I tip "well" One place I tip more is a place called Bucca Di Beppo because the wait staff are so professional and the service is so awsome they deserve it. The last time I was there I tipped $20 on a $35 bill. The higher class of place I think lends to waiters making more money, the only problem is that higher class restaurants probably have people at the tables for alot longer period of time.

http://www.bucadibeppo.com/ If you never eaten at one try it, but bring lots of friends. Thier one chicken dish is around 16lbs. They have a "pope table" that sits like 18 also.

Damn, that place looks great. I will have to check them out next time I am down in the states. ~

Yeah - Bucca's is very good food. I've been to the one in downtown Indy several times.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: Haps

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Cook your own dinner at home and don't bother some college kid busting his ass trying to work through school.

A decent human being will be sat at his/her table instead of you.

Bustin his ass? Waiting tables is a minimum wage job. It is unskilled labour that is all that physically demanding compared to other minimum wage worthy labour. And workers generally have a better working envornment then other unskilled labour(air-conditioning, heating etc)

That college student is working a job that is worthy of minimum wage. Perhaps you feel that waiting tables is deserving of a higher wage. I disagree. Due to the fact that no education and little skill is required and it's not physically demanding there are a lot of people capable of doing the job. Hence supply and demand. Lot sof people capaable of doing a job it won't pay well. So waiting tables is a min wage job which the federal gov't mandates they get one way or the other.

I hope you're a repeat customer to a particular restaurant. Next trip I hope you're remembered and have a waiter shady enough to jerkoff in your food.

Happy dining!

Another flawed argument. The kid is supposed to do his job. He got hired to do something and if he chooses to spit on someone's food and gets caught, will he use the argument that he didn't get tipped in addition to his sh!tty salary ?

Tipping is optional. Don't forget it. And don't forget there are tons of other jobs out there.

Hey jerky, your deeming my argument as flawed is about as valid as your point on not being cheap. You really can STFU to that point already.

wow when faced with a logical (and correct) argument you resort to name calling. yeah that will help you out.


Tipping is Optional. IF the service is average I will tip the average (%15) if great i tip (%20) if crappy then i tip on how i think it is worth. I have NO problem not tipping and have when i have gotten really bad service.

Yes i know they get paid LESS then min-wage but as RH71 said they can get a job making more. They took the chance on making more with the tips (i worked as a pizza delivery guy. I would average $10/hr with tips) If they are tired of not making more then they are free to go get a job making more.

When i go out for dinner or to the bar they know me. So when i order i get great service. They also know the better service i get the better i tip. Which is the way i believe it is supposed to work.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

So how does it work with places like Quizno's where they don't wait on your table, and have a tip jar at the counter? Do they get minimum wage no matter what?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
So how does it work with places like Quizno's where they don't wait on your table, and have a tip jar at the counter? Do they get minimum wage no matter what?

yeah i would think so.

Since i have never tiped at Quizno's and i would never do it. I don't think they should get tiped just for pulling the sandwich off and wrapping it. Thats like saying the people at McDonalds need to be tipped.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: Haps

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Cook your own dinner at home and don't bother some college kid busting his ass trying to work through school.

A decent human being will be sat at his/her table instead of you.

Bustin his ass? Waiting tables is a minimum wage job. It is unskilled labour that is all that physically demanding compared to other minimum wage worthy labour. And workers generally have a better working envornment then other unskilled labour(air-conditioning, heating etc)

That college student is working a job that is worthy of minimum wage. Perhaps you feel that waiting tables is deserving of a higher wage. I disagree. Due to the fact that no education and little skill is required and it's not physically demanding there are a lot of people capable of doing the job. Hence supply and demand. Lot sof people capaable of doing a job it won't pay well. So waiting tables is a min wage job which the federal gov't mandates they get one way or the other.

I hope you're a repeat customer to a particular restaurant. Next trip I hope you're remembered and have a waiter shady enough to jerkoff in your food.

Happy dining!

Another flawed argument. The kid is supposed to do his job. He got hired to do something and if he chooses to spit on someone's food and gets caught, will he use the argument that he didn't get tipped in addition to his sh!tty salary ?

Tipping is optional. Don't forget it. And don't forget there are tons of other jobs out there.

Hey jerky, your deeming my argument as flawed is about as valid as your point on not being cheap. You really can STFU to that point already.

wow when faced with a logical (and correct) argument you resort to name calling. yeah that will help you out.


Tipping is Optional. IF the service is average I will tip the average (%15) if great i tip (%20) if crappy then i tip on how i think it is worth. I have NO problem not tipping and have when i have gotten really bad service.

Yes i know they get paid LESS then min-wage but as RH71 said they can get a job making more. They took the chance on making more with the tips (i worked as a pizza delivery guy. I would average $10/hr with tips) If they are tired of not making more then they are free to go get a job making more.

When i go out for dinner or to the bar they know me. So when i order i get great service. They also know the better service i get the better i tip. Which is the way i believe it is supposed to work.

So since you are a tipper, why did you think my post was directed to you in any way for your response?

Thanks for your "education" on the fact that tipping was optional. I really needed that. I'm speaking to an extremist named Haps and intermediary busybodies like you and RH need to chime in. You shouldn't have.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
So how does it work with places like Quizno's where they don't wait on your table, and have a tip jar at the counter? Do they get minimum wage no matter what?

yeah i would think so.

Since i have never tiped at Quizno's and i would never do it. I don't think they should get tiped just for pulling the sandwich off and wrapping it. Thats like saying the people at McDonalds need to be tipped.

I tip like Steven Martin's character from My Blue Heaven.

 

[Haps]

Originally posted by: Snuffaluffaguss

Originally posted by: Haps

Bustin hisPerhaps you feel that waiting tables is deserving of a higher wage. I disagree. Due to the fact that no education and little skill is required and it's not physically demanding there are a lot of people capable of doing the job.

If you think waiting tables requires "no skill" and is not physically demanding then you have never actually worked as a server. You have no basis to judge how dificult a job is unless you have actually done it. On a busy night when you are on your feet for 8 hours, constantly moving, taking no breaks, carrying heavy trays, putting up with jerks like you, and still providing good service to several tables of people at the same, you can't tell me that is not demanding. As far as the skill is concerned, have you ever had a good waiter and a bad waiter? There is a skill involved here. I would love to see you try to handle getting double or triple sat in the middle of a busy night and still handle it.

I don't work as a server anymore, but I know what it takes to do the job correctly. I wish everyone had to work as a server for a couple months. Then at least everyone would acutally know what they are talking about.[/quote]


Reading comprehension people. I said little skill. But there isn't much involved int he job is there. Be observant, friendly, attentive and look after your customers wants. Not much skill there. Being organized is probably the biggest skill needed.

I realize that wait staff don't sit on their ass all day. Yes they have to stand and walk etc. But is that more physically demanding then the minimum wage worker stocking shelves at the grocery store, someone working in walmart, someone digging ditches?

Please tell me why you think wait staff deserve more then minimum wage while others working for minimum wage do not.
I get paid more then minimum wage for the work I do(IT related) because I have skills that others do not. I have education that others do not. I can do work that others can not and as such my employer has to pay more in order to attract employees. Doctor's get paid very well because the immense amount of knowledge required to do the job limits the field of available employees causing the market rate for Doctors to be very high. Security guards generally get more then minimum wage because of the nature of their work. Policemen however get much more then security guards because of the knowledge and increased risk that comes with the job.

What is so special about wait staff?

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

So since you are a tipper, why did you think my post was directed to you in any way for your response?

Thanks for your "education" on the fact that tipping was optional. I really needed that. I'm speaking to an extremist named Haps and intermediary busybodies like you and RH need to chime in. You shouldn't have.

Oh no, someone interrupted your argument! On an internet forum? No way!

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Why even speak to your absolutely ridiculous point? In every situation it is not feasible that a data entry job is available in every single instance but kids choose to work in a restaurant instead. You may be happy geeking your way through life typing on a computer but it is not for everyone. Society has dictated that you pay less for your food at a restaurant in lieu of your tipping.

If you don't like it, cook your food at home instead of stiffing some kid because you're a pathetic cheapskate.

Other people probably interrupted because you made a stupid ass statement like ^ Way to misinterpret people saying tipping as optional as "fvck waiters, I don't tip sh!t" :roll:

 

[royaldank]

I love how waiters and waitress whine and complain about bad tips without finding a new job. If I wasn't making enough at my job right now, you can bet I'd be looking for a new job. I don't think a company 'owes' me what I think I deserve. Most folks realize that you can choose where to work and do so. Wait staff seems to think as long as they are employeed somewhere they deserve to be making a healthy living. This just isn't true.

 

[imported_vr6]

i wait tables, but i average ~15 an hour, no tip sharing tho.