Being a prick to a cop?! Or exercising rights? Or both?

[Ichinisan]

He didnt suggest it because he knew he would be wrong and on camera looking like a fool..more of a fool i mean.

So you're saying it's legal to set up shop to sell your belongings and solicit business from random strangers at any intersection / street corner you want?

The city can restrict that.

 

[soulcougher73]

So you're saying it's legal to set up shop to sell your belongings and solicit business from random strangers at any intersection / street corner you want?

The city can restrict that.

Well then they should if they want to. Apparently it wasn't illegal as he nor the cops before him did anything about it.

I'm not saying the guy wasn't a pompous ass, but he was doing legal business it would appear. Just the cops nor many citizens know the extent of their rights.

 

[Perknose]

Well then they should if they want to. Apparently it wasn't illegal as he nor the cops before him did anything about it.

I'm not saying the guy wasn't a pompous ass, but he was doing legal business it would appear. Just the cops nor many citizens know the extent of their rights.

What he was doing is illegal. Goober posted so, and the cop even cited that, but, flustered by the douche and unsure, he backed off.

The kicker is, the guy was apparently wrong.
The vid's top comment (the poster himself), links here, which links here, where you find this.

§ 118.15 LICENSE REQUIRED.

It is unlawful for any person over 18 years of age to peddle, solicit, canvass, engage in transient selling or sidewalk vending as defined in § 118.01 of this chapter within the corporate limits of the city without first obtaining a license as provided in § 118.16 of this chapter.


('63 Code, § 6-11.01) (Ord. 395-C.S., passed 1-3-84; Am. Ord. 477-C.S., passed 10-20-88) Penalty, see § 10.99

And before you or any other wannabe constitutional scholar tries to claim otherwise, this ordinance is 100% constitutional.

Just the cops nor many citizens know the extent of their rights.

Well agreed, across a broad swath of instances, for both the extent and the limitis of a person's rights, and for both cops and citizens.

 

[MarkXIX]

One day that guy will need a cop real bad ... and he won't be there to help him.

Wrong. The cop WILL be there and the guy will wonder why he does what he does.

I had a case with one of my officers once where a minority was pulled over for speeding. She used all manner of language and insults at my MP. Two days later a 911 call comes in and he responds. Lo and behold, guess who resuscitated her toddler after she left him unattended in the bathtub. Yep, same guy.

I was there when she tried to thank him and hug him. He politely refused and asked if she remembered him from two days ago and her speeding ticket and he just walked away.

 

[Perknose]

Wrong. The cop WILL be there and the guy will wonder why he does what he does.

I had a case with one of my officers once where a minority was pulled over for speeding. She used all manner of language and insults at my MP. Two days later a 911 call comes in and he responds. Lo and behold, guess who resuscitated her toddler after she left him unattended in the bathtub. Yep, same guy.

I was there when she tried to thank him and hug him. He politely refused and asked if she remembered him from two days ago and her speeding ticket and he just walked away.

I've met a ton of really good cops in my time. They have my intense respect. Their job can be demanding in the extreme . . . and I'm not just talking about the mountains of paperwork . . . though there's THAT, too.

Trouble is, there's a certain percentage of cops drawn to the job for all the wrong reasons who have, for untold decades before the advent of cell phone vids, been riding roughshod over the citizenry, nearly unchecked.

One thing I noticed the most, which was most apparent in small jurisdictions, is that the tenor of the officers flowed directly from the Chief. Good Chief, good officers in the main. Asshole Chief, many asshole officers.

 

[cbrunny]

What a dick. Pure dick.

Edit: Constitution be damned. I don't have any respect for the person filming this.

 

[MarkXIX]

I've met a ton of really good cops in my time. They have my intense respect. Their job can be demanding in the extreme . . . and I'm not just talking about the mountains of paperwork . . . though there's THAT, too.

Trouble is, there's a certain percentage of cops drawn to the job for all the wrong reasons who have, for untold decades before the advent of cell phone vids, been riding roughshod over the citizenry, nearly unchecked.

One thing I noticed the most, which was most apparent in small jurisdictions, is that the tenor of the officers flowed directly from the Chief. Good Chief, good officers in the main. Asshole Chief, many asshole officers.

That's been my point for a while now as I've seen the same thing. Bad cops are generally directly related to bad management. When I found my MPs were turning in a lot of traffic citations, I would walk them out to their patrol car and ask them to explain how writing traffic citations aligned with "Assist, Protect, Defend." That usually got my point across, or they'd argue that it fell under "protect" because they were speeding or running stop signs, etc. Either way, it made them think.

My other point has been that today cops can watch hours upon hours of scary Youtube videos that shows dozens or hundreds of cops being assaulted, killed, etc. The problem is, someone has to put that in context for them. I'd challenge them to pull up the number of times those incidents happened in their specific municipality. Otherwise, they can ready convince themselves that every traffic stop involves a firearm and an ambush. Or an 18-wheeler taking out their car.

You won't convince me that those videos can't change the mentality of someone when they subject themselves to that stuff. The bottom line is, we live in a different time and organizational management and the media have direct impacts on how officers conduct themselves day-to-day. If both aren't controlled or put in context, things can and will get out of hand.

 

[JoeBleed]

What I always find funny is that guys like this have almost infinite time to find the law, fully research it, and then have the ego to brutalize a public servant with their "vast knowledge" of the law.

But, at the same time these are people who would all but refuse to foot the bill to train every cop on every law until they are walking police, lawyers, and judges with huge brains.

been resisting the urge to post this image after reading this. I can't resist any longer as no one else has posted it.

 

[eits]

fuck that guy.

 

[Perknose]

My other point has been that today cops can watch hours upon hours of scary Youtube videos that shows dozens or hundreds of cops being assaulted, killed, etc. The problem is, someone has to put that in context for them.

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You won't convince me that those videos can't change the mentality of someone when they subject themselves to that stuff. The bottom line is, we live in a different time and organizational management and the media have direct impacts on how officers conduct themselves day-to-day. If both aren't controlled or put in context, things can and will get out of hand.

My fear as well, especially in an America awash in guns and attitude, inflamed by the Youtube videos they see of abusive cops.

Confrontative attitudes on both sides of the badge, especially when combined with a nearly unfettered general access to firearms by everyone, is a recipe for tragedy and disaster. 🙁

 

[MarkXIX]

My fear as well, especially in an America awash in guns and attitude, inflamed by the Youtube videos they see of abusive cops.

Confrontative attitudes on both sides of the badge, especially when combined with a nearly unfettered general access to firearms by everyone, is a recipe for tragedy and disaster. 🙁

Departments seem to be getting smarter about swaying public opinion lately, courtesy of body cameras. This is a critical point in public relations where the good video MUST outweigh the negative video captured by the public.

Oh, and bad officers MUST be held fully, and publicly accountable to the taxpayer and the people they protect and serve.

 

[Phoenix86]

I've read this multiple times and still have no idea what you are trying to say/insinuate.

It kind of bothers me I understood what me meant so easily.