Beheading of 2nd Japanese hostage by ISIS

[Londo_Jowo]

I have no issues with the US government offering a $200 million bounty on the whereabouts of these savages. Once located they should be given an ultimatum to surrender and if they chose not to do so introduce them to a cruise missile.

Do you consider Japan as a colony of the US?

Let me guess, you've conveniently forgotten the Americans who have been beheaded by the same people.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Let me guess, you've conveniently forgotten the Americans who have been beheaded by the same people.

Nope, I try not to conveniently forget things..you probably assume I do because it's something you do

 

[Blanky]

You know what I would do if I were President? I would get on national TV with an Arabic translator and say anyone that comes forward with information leading to the capture of the man shown in these beheading videos will be awarded 200 million and safe haven to any country that you chose by the United States.

And so he martyrs himself for one of his guys who now, $200M richer, buys a bunch more weapons for his people.

ISIS is getting too much attention. Every time they kill somebody we shouldn't see a headline article on cnn.

I am increasingly taking a view about ISIS captives I do of people captured in North Korea. Stop fucking going to Syria. How about that. This won't help the locals, and my condolences are with them, but a Westerner who owns a passport elsewhere, just stop going there.

 

[cyclohexane]

people need to stay away from that part of the world. That's the only solution.

No amount of intervention/invasion can fix ISIS

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There are three choices. One is to forget all about this. Another is to go in on the ground, in the air, and by any other means and blow crap up and kill people. The third is the most likely which is to look like something is being done which is not effective, but is politically expedient. We'll decide not to make an unambiguous commitment.

That seems to be about it.

 

[blastingcap]

You guys seem to forget that the USA played the leading role in creating the problem in the first place with the 2003 Iraq invasion and too-fast exit. Some people want to forget about that, but others feel there is a moral responsibility to at least stabilize Iraq, even if we do the minimum in Syria (since we did not invade Syria). The minimum does not mean zero, because ISIL operates on both sides of the borders. So in order to make sure Iraq doesn't crumble again, we'd have to kill off ISIL in Syria as well.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You guys seem to forget that the USA played the leading role in creating the problem in the first place with the 2003 Iraq invasion and too-fast exit. Some people want to forget about that, but others feel there is a moral responsibility to at least stabilize Iraq, even if we do the minimum in Syria (since we did not invade Syria). The minimum does not mean zero, because ISIL operates on both sides of the borders. So in order to make sure Iraq doesn't crumble again, we'd have to kill off ISIL in Syria as well.

You can't stabilize Iraq because Iraq is a completely artificial entity which was designed to be inherently unstable. Iraqi's aren't naturally cohesive in any sense. You might as well try to get China and the US to be the same nation. That Bush and Co didn't realize the social instability which exists is incredible.

 

[TheSlamma]

people need to stay away from that part of the world. That's the only solution.

No amount of intervention/invasion can fix ISIS

THIS.. OMFG this. I really don't understand why people still love to "Dance on a minefield"

 

[OutHouse]

SIS needs a WWII style military campaign waged against them, to decimate their ability to move men and supplies within their territory.

FTFY

 

[blastingcap]

You can't stabilize Iraq because Iraq is a completely artificial entity which was designed to be inherently unstable. Iraqi's aren't naturally cohesive in any sense. You might as well try to get China and the US to be the same nation. That Bush and Co didn't realize the social instability which exists is incredible.

The point is that people shouldn't pretend like what's going on now has nothing to do with the 2003 invasion.

If you hit someone with your car, some would say you have not only a legal responsibility but a moral responsibility to do whatever you can to make things right, even their injuries are so severe that they can't ever walk again. That means paying medical bills and not just running away from the situation you caused.

Iraq may well be the guy who can never walk again, better off as Sunni-stan, Shia-stan, and Kurdistan, but so what? Your attitude is like "well we can't get him to ever walk again so we're just going to stop paying medical bills even though the patient still has bills piling up due to physical therapy lessons in how to use a wheelchair."

 

[schmuckley]

I see the religion of peace is at at it again.

 

[schmuckley]

people need to stay away from that part of the world. That's the only solution.

No amount of intervention/invasion can fix ISIS

I disagree;Troops on ground,sweeping and clearing.

Start with Howitzers,follow up with mortars and sweeping/clearing.

bye bye ISIS

 

[nickqt]

I disagree;Troops on ground,sweeping and clearing.

Start with Howitzers,follow up with mortars and sweeping/clearing.

bye bye ISIS

I agree.

The best part is we'd be greeted as liberators and would likely trip all over the flowers thrown at our feet.

Sign (other people's children) up!

 

[1prophet]

It's sad, but the death toll is on par with a bad car accident, which happen every day without much fanfare outside of the immediate area.
Except in this case, it's even less of a concern, since it's very easy to avoid the risk of being a victim of such situation. Don't go to Iraq or Syria.

Human beings don't work that way, that's why airline crashes due to terrorism or accident even though insignificant statistically to car crashes have a much greater impact than all the car accidents for a year.

That is why terrorism can be so effective, the actual numbers may be low or insignificant statistically, but the psychological effects no matter how irrational can be significantly greater.

 

[theeedude]

Human beings don't work that way, that's why airline crashes due to terrorism or accident even though insignificant statistically to car crashes have a much greater impact than all the car accidents for a year.

That is why terrorism can be so effective, the actual numbers may be low or insignificant statistically, but the psychological effects no matter how irrational can be significantly greater.

True, but that's why you have to be conscious of statistics when reading the news, so you understand the true threat or lack thereof.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I had a lecturer who was an Iraqi Kurd. He had no interest in the nation of Iraq, basically claiming it's an artificial nation carved out by the British in the 1920's. If you look at the history of the place it's hard not to agree.

Whilst I by no means excuse terrorism from the region or claim the middle east was peaceful before western meddling, there's no denying that British and other imperial powers in the 19th and early 20th century screwed it up even more and the US has continued meddling. The same goes for Africa. We just haven't learned in 200 years.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You guys seem to forget that the USA played the leading role in creating the problem in the first place with the 2003 Iraq invasion and too-fast exit. Some people want to forget about that, but others feel there is a moral responsibility to at least stabilize Iraq, even if we do the minimum in Syria (since we did not invade Syria). The minimum does not mean zero, because ISIL operates on both sides of the borders. So in order to make sure Iraq doesn't crumble again, we'd have to kill off ISIL in Syria as well.

No, this 'stuff' has been going on since before the USA was conceived.

 

[Genx87]

I disagree;Troops on ground,sweeping and clearing.

Start with Howitzers,follow up with mortars and sweeping/clearing.

bye bye ISIS

This worked so well the first time we did this for a decade.

 

[bshole]

I'm really shocked (well not really) at the callous responses here. These bearded savages beheaded a guy for no good reason. They're the MS13 of the middle east but with a religious twist and better weapons. I feel sorry for the guy and his family and hope someday they get justice.

And this is a surprise? These people went there of their own free will knowing the risk. It is the wild west over there. If you travel there it is at your own peril. Travel into parts of Chicago on foot and it could be every bit as dangerous.

 

[shira]

You guys seem to forget that the USA played the leading role in creating the problem in the first place with the 2003 Iraq invasion and too-fast exit. Some people want to forget about that, but others feel there is a moral responsibility to at least stabilize Iraq, even if we do the minimum in Syria (since we did not invade Syria). The minimum does not mean zero, because ISIL operates on both sides of the borders. So in order to make sure Iraq doesn't crumble again, we'd have to kill off ISIL in Syria as well.

We can't "kill off ISIL." The more the U.S. gets involved, the more the conflict attracts disaffected young men from Europe and the U.S. There's an unlimited supply of these young men.

 

[shira]

I disagree;Troops on ground,sweeping and clearing.

Start with Howitzers,follow up with mortars and sweeping/clearing.

bye bye ISIS

And how effective was that strategy at "sweeping and clearing" insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan? How come, to this day, we haven't been able to say "bye bye, bad guys?"

Please explain to us why THIS TIME it will work so incredibly well?

 

[blastingcap]

We can't "kill off ISIL." The more the U.S. gets involved, the more the conflict attracts disaffected young men from Europe and the U.S. There's an unlimited supply of these young men.

Right so the solution is to do absolutely nothing and let the Kurds, our ONLY allies left in the region (I don't count Turkey so long as AKP runs it), be overrun? And then the rest of Iraq and Syria be overrun, making the entire region of millions a breeding ground for extremists. What a genius. I hope you are not allowed to vote.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The point is that people shouldn't pretend like what's going on now has nothing to do with the 2003 invasion.

If you hit someone with your car, some would say you have not only a legal responsibility but a moral responsibility to do whatever you can to make things right, even their injuries are so severe that they can't ever walk again. That means paying medical bills and not just running away from the situation you caused.

Iraq may well be the guy who can never walk again, better off as Sunni-stan, Shia-stan, and Kurdistan, but so what? Your attitude is like "well we can't get him to ever walk again so we're just going to stop paying medical bills even though the patient still has bills piling up due to physical therapy lessons in how to use a wheelchair."

What has happened now is linked to the Iraq war, but not entirely. Much goes back long before 9/11, but yes the war had consequences. The problem is that we aren't at the wheelchair stage. We're closer to the end of life stage and how much should be invested in invasive surgery and extraordinary measures for the terminal patient soon to die. What should have not happened was the war, but it did and we excel at winning them. We crushed Iraq in short order because they were never a threat. What we suck at is what to do after and that's because we don't bother to think about the realities of the situation before taking action. That's what the "insurgencies" were all about, the collapse of social order allowed animosities to create further chaos and bloodshed. The next stage is ISIS. This isn't injury and therapy. This is more akin to terminal incurable cancer accelerated by quackery remediation by the west for a hundred years.

In essence we can't fix Iraq or any other nation in the region. We've been expending energy to keep the social pyramid on its tip to keep from falling over and is becoming more difficult as the pyramid becomes larger and more misshapen due to our interference. It's resulted in Islamic rule, 9/11, ISIS, and every time we try to repay with force, even well intentioned, it becomes worse.

Iraq cannot be fixed. The ME cannot be fixed. The pyramid will have to tip and break and the survivors need to rebuild. We owe them to help, but we'll go about it by forcing them to build it upside down again. Humanitarian aid is the only thing which would have merit, and that by NGO's.

 

[bshole]

Right so the solution is to do absolutely nothing and let the Kurds, our ONLY allies left in the region (I don't count Turkey so long as AKP runs it), be overrun? And then the rest of Iraq and Syria be overrun, making the entire region of millions a breeding ground for extremists. What a genius. I hope you are not allowed to vote.

It is already. Mostly because of American intervention. So the solution is..... MORE intervention. Yea lets throw some more young American soldiers into the meatgrinder.... their lives don't matter all that much anyways.

 

[blastingcap]

It is already. Mostly because of American intervention. So the solution is..... MORE intervention. Yea lets throw some more young American soldiers into the meatgrinder.... their lives don't matter all that much anyways.

What strawman is this? I have never advocated for US boots on the ground. But bombing back the tide away from the Kurds is the absolute minimum we should do. And no, the entire region is not nearly as bad as it could be in terms of breeding extremists.

So what are YOU advocating? Turning away and letting the region be controlled by extremist fundamentalists with access to billions in oil revenue, that would make Iran look like a tame kitten by comparison? Or what?