Beck exposes Boston Marathon cover-up live on air!

[Farang]

Maybe it has already been posted but I just read a debunking of this (sorry no link). Basically the 213b event was automatically triggered by the investigation of him and there is a lag time from when they cleared him to when that status is removed. So the one event in his file is the questioning.

 

[Eos]

I wonder why there are no front [of Glenn's front] camera shots? Seems odd.

 

[Delita]

I wonder why there are no front [of Glenn's front] camera shots? Seems odd.

Probably a government conspiracy.

 

[WelshBloke]

Probably a government conspiracy.

I can never keep up with who's in charge. One minute it's the government, then it's some secret dudes that get together in a posh hotel every year, then it's the Jews running everything, then some funky 7 foot lizards...

Is there some sort of rota whereby they take turns?

 

[OverVolt]

I can never keep up with who's in charge. One minute it's the government, then it's some secret dudes that get together in a posh hotel every year, then it's the Jews running everything, then some funky 7 foot lizards...

Is there some sort of rota whereby they take turns?

That has to be it!

They probably meet in the sewer :awe:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Are you making the claim he is a former banned member? Do you only have to share someone elses views to be one and the same? Besides, I know Harvey is no joke when sniffing out tards, maybe not perfect, but does a damned good job. Well he used to. Anyways I still fail to see the reasoning in banning some people for one reason while looking away when it happens all day long in P&N. Either enforce the rules stickied at the top of this thread or remove it because at this point its as effective as toilet paper.

I thought you were smarter than that......we had the 9/11 threads where a conspiracy theorie went back and forth for many days.....yet both sides tried to present proof...in support of their positions....

This looney tunes only position was that the holocaust never happened....
Plus he used exact the words that only his predecessor who was banned from these forums......

There is more than ample enough proof that the holocaust happened......

There is no excuse for trolling that the holocaust never happened.....

I am sure that you can plainly see that......

Many of us have relatives living and deceased who were affected by the holocaust.......

 

[Sulaco]

I thought you were smarter than that......we had the 9/11 threads where a conspiracy theorie went back and forth for many days.....yet both sides tried to present proof...in support of their positions....

This looney tunes only position was that the holocaust never happened....
Plus he used exact the words that only his predecessor who was banned from these forums......

There is more than ample enough proof that the holocaust happened......

There is no excuse for trolling that the holocaust never happened.....

I am sure that you can plainly see that......

Many of us have relatives living and deceased who were affected by the holocaust.......

With Juror No. 8 banned, as he should be, it's worth saying something about this Holocaust conspiracy and conspiracy theorists in general...

You look at someone like Juror, who denies the Holocaust. They deny the MOUNTAINS AND MOUNTAINS of video reels and photographs, showing countless thousands and thousands of bodies, emaciated, dessicated...stacked on top of each other. Mass graves with tens of thousands of bodies.

"Oh those are faked. Propaganda"

Confessions by countless German and SS officers who witnessed and took part in it, in video confessions, in diaries, on death beds.
The literally countless survivors and escapees who saw, witnessed, and lived it.
The hundreds and hundreds of Soviet and Allied troops who liberated the camps and saw it themselves.

The reams upon reams of meticulous German documentation kept on camps, and procedures of elimination.
The reams and reams of documents, cables, and telegrams between German officials about their intentions. Even the recording of Himmler himself outlining of how to eradicate these people.


But none of it matters; everything is part of the conspiracy. It becomes obvious that everything is being denied. For an event that took place 70 years ago, we have video, audio, pictorial, eye-witness, confession, and documented proof. But because they themselves weren't there to see it, with their own eyes, they deny it.

Because they want to. Because they need to, for whatever reason, usually in this case, trolling, or antisemitism. There's no educational or academic inquiry, no historical investigation; it's pure, blatant, offensive bias and ignroance.

Outside of a DeLorean and a Flux Capcitor, there's no way to "prove it" to these people, because the only means to do so, they just dismiss out of hand.
It's no different with the 9/11 truthers, the Sandy Hook people (*shudder*), and now the Boston events.

There will simply never be anything that compellingly convinces them, because any means to do so (video, audio, picture, interview) will always be "part of the conspiracy".

 

[rockyct]

With Juror No. 8 banned, as he should be, it's worth saying something about this Holocaust conspiracy and conspiracy theorists in general...

You look at someone like Juror, who denies the Holocaust. They deny the MOUNTAINS AND MOUNTAINS of video reels and photographs, showing countless thousands and thousands of bodies, emaciated, dessicated...stacked on top of each other. Mass graves with tens of thousands of bodies.

"Oh those are faked. Propaganda"

Confessions by countless German and SS officers who witnessed and took part in it, in video confessions, in diaries, on death beds.
The literally countless survivors and escapees who saw, witnessed, and lived it.
The hundreds and hundreds of Soviet and Allied troops who liberated the camps and saw it themselves.

The reams upon reams of meticulous German documentation kept on camps, and procedures of elimination.
The reams and reams of documents, cables, and telegrams between German officials about their intentions. Even the recording of Himmler himself outlining of how to eradicate these people.


But none of it matters; everything is part of the conspiracy. It becomes obvious that everything is being denied. For an event that took place 70 years ago, we have video, audio, pictorial, eye-witness, confession, and documented proof. But because they themselves weren't there to see it, with their own eyes, they deny it.

Because they want to. Because they need to, for whatever reason, usually in this case, trolling, or antisemitism. There's no educational or academic inquiry, no historical investigation; it's pure, blatant, offensive bias and ignroance.

Outside of a DeLorean and a Flux Capcitor, there's no way to "prove it" to these people, because the only means to do so, they just dismiss out of hand.
It's no different with the 9/11 truthers, the Sandy Hook people (*shudder*), and now the Boston events.

There will simply never be anything that compellingly convinces them, because any means to do so (video, audio, picture, interview) will always be "part of the conspiracy".

Derailing threads flaunting those conspiracy theories is also pretty good reason to get banned. I'm fine if he wants to keep the paranoia to himself in his own "Holocaust debunking" thread but don't troll others into it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Derailing threads flaunting those conspiracy theories is also pretty good reason to get banned. I'm fine if he wants to keep the paranoia to himself in his own "Holocaust debunking" thread but don't troll others into it.

I think that the mods were more implementing the "don't be an arsehole rule".

 

[shira]

I don't believe he's right either but that shouldn't be grounds to ban someone. Seems to me he asked for proof and no one had provided it. Therefore they are just as insufficient in argument. Even if it is deemed so wouldn't that rule apply to all those here?

I gave him the film "Shoah." And his response - without a shred of evidence to back it up - was in effect that all that first-hand testimony was just lies.

At some point, it becomes clear that someone not only has no interest in engaging in a serious debate, but is in fact committed to rejecting with no justification whatever fact-based posts. And does this again and again and again. If that's not a valid reason for banning someone, there's no reason for banning anyone.

 

[rpsgc]

And does this again and again and again. If that's not a valid reason for banning someone, there's no reason for banning anyone.

That describes half of P&N. Why aren't they banned too?


:whiste:

 

[Sulaco]

I don't believe he's right either but that shouldn't be grounds to ban someone. Seems to me he asked for proof and no one had provided it.

First off, you're a moron. He was banned for derailing a thread that had nothing to do with the Holocaust, after already being banned last week for doing the exact same thing in another thread.

Second off, before you stick your foot down your throat any farther, why don't you actually read the responses.

Aside from the inarguable mountain of evidence and PROOF literally seconds away at your fingertips on this thing we're on called "the internet", WERE actual, hand-delivered bits of "proof", including but not limited to testimonies, a full-length, indisbutable documentary, and of course, the sound file of Heinrich Himmler speaking at Poznan about the elimination of the Jews, and having to kill thousands at a time (also posted was a transcript, in English).

But all of that simply ignores the blatant fact that this utter fool WANTED to remain ignorant. If he were at all serious about ANY investigation, there's countless website after credible website, documentary after credible documentary, seconds away at your fingertips.

It's no different than if I posted "Prove to me the Pyramids are in Egypt. It's a lie!", and people posted pictures, videos, documentaries, and first-hand accounts of going to Egypt and seeing the Pyramids, and I simply say "No, that's all fake. No, that's a lie. No, I didn't see them, there's no proof"

Seriously. I have no idea who you are, but you sound like a complete and total moron of the highest order defending sheer, WILLED idiocy like Juror's.

 

[woolfe9998]

Seems to me he asked for proof and no one had provided it.

The website links I provided contain millions of words of evidence. Primary source documents mentioning gas chambers at Auschwitz and mobile gas vans. Scores of witness statements. Audio recordings of speeches. Photographs. Court transcripts. Et multiple cetera.

The evidence of the Holocaust is far too vast to discuss in forum posts, and frankly, not many people on this board are familiar with enough of it to give a truly substantial response to his "challenge." Deniers like to go on mainstream discussion boards and "challenge" people to produce evidence knowing that few if any can come up with much because they haven't done any reading on it. Indeed, this is true with almost any aspect of history. One could issue the same challenge about any other genocide, for example, and few people are familiar with what exactly the evidence consists of. Quickly now, provide us with 20 pieces of evidence that prove the genocide in Cambodia allegedly committed by the Kmher Rouge. Do you know what this evidence consists of?

These so-called challenges are gimmicks whereby the denier "proves" that a bunch of people who have little familiarity with the historical evidence surprisingly can't come up with a lot of it in a forum thread and this then is the argument that it didn't happen.

Did you know that evidence of the Holocaust was presented over a period of several weeks in a libel trial in the UK back in the 90's, and the denier-plaintiff (David Irving) lost that trial and was utterly humiliated? He had virtually nothing of substance to counter any of it. When deniers are presented with the evidence by historians like Chis Browning who have actually spent their lives pouring through archives and studying it, they do little but stammer and sputter. The transcript of that entire trial is available online by the way.

I spent over two years debating deniers on a discussion board devoted entirely to this subject. "Juror" is an idiot even compared to the average denier idiot. He clearly hasn't even cracked a book on the subject. Anyone can go on a discussion board and challenge people to come up with evidence of a historical event and declare themselves the winner when people predictably are not that familiar with the primary sources. Anyone who credits these kinds of low rent dog and pony shows staged by deniers on the internet is a sucker and a fool.

I suggest not embarrassing yourself by giving the impression that you're somehow impressed with Juror's performance in this thread.

 

[Darwin333]

I wonder how many of those SS officers were tortured and coerced into making false confessions? Many were threatened with death and long prison sentences. I wonder how many of them made deals?



Yeah?

Link?



Like I said, no fucking evidence.

Wait, aren't you one of the nutters? You have the balls to push some nutter conspiracy yet tell someone else "Like I said, no fucking evidence" when debating if the Holocaust actually happened or not???? Foe real dawg?

If you had as much evidence on your nutter conspiracies they wouldn't be considered conspiracy theories anymore and a bunch of us would, after careful review of the evidence, likely side with you. Hell, could you imagine how crazy you guys would go if multiple people admitted to planting explosives in the WTC buildings under the exact same circumstances as the SS officers? Yall would call it case closed yet here you are completely discounting it and claiming that multiple people were coerced into claiming responsibility for one of the most heinous things committed against humanity at the time.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Wait, aren't you one of the nutters?

You do realize he's been banned.....right?

 

[xj0hnx]

I like this documentary of the Holocaust much better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWCOjOj4RAU

No gas chambers at Dachau? lulz, "documentary" riiiiiight.

 

[lotus503]

As someone who often entertains conspiracy theories, I get challenging information that has been presented for certain events.

At the end of the day extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that is where most conspiracy theories fall flat on their face.

 

[Tweak155]

First off, you're a moron. He was banned for derailing a thread that had nothing to do with the Holocaust, after already being banned last week for doing the exact same thing in another thread.

Second off, before you stick your foot down your throat any farther, why don't you actually read the responses.

Aside from the inarguable mountain of evidence and PROOF literally seconds away at your fingertips on this thing we're on called "the internet", WERE actual, hand-delivered bits of "proof", including but not limited to testimonies, a full-length, indisbutable documentary, and of course, the sound file of Heinrich Himmler speaking at Poznan about the elimination of the Jews, and having to kill thousands at a time (also posted was a transcript, in English).

But all of that simply ignores the blatant fact that this utter fool WANTED to remain ignorant. If he were at all serious about ANY investigation, there's countless website after credible website, documentary after credible documentary, seconds away at your fingertips.

It's no different than if I posted "Prove to me the Pyramids are in Egypt. It's a lie!", and people posted pictures, videos, documentaries, and first-hand accounts of going to Egypt and seeing the Pyramids, and I simply say "No, that's all fake. No, that's a lie. No, I didn't see them, there's no proof"

Seriously. I have no idea who you are, but you sound like a complete and total moron of the highest order defending sheer, WILLED idiocy like Juror's.

If being an arse while supplying your arguments or replies is cause for a ban, I don't see why this isn't ban worthy.

Really - was that necessary?

 

[OlafSicky]

I thought he was talking about Beck. Beck will say anything if he thinks it will make him money.

If anyone doubts that they should see just one of his many houses. As soon as I found out how much money he makes by spreading bs I knew what he was all about.

 

[Sulaco]

If being an arse while supplying your arguments or replies is cause for a ban, I don't see why this isn't ban worthy.

Really - was that necessary?

Oh grow a pair, Darlene.

Reading skills help. Again, he wasn't banned for "being an arse", he was banned for derailing a thread, again, after being warned before and being banned for the exact same thing less than a week ago.

Second, there's no "nice" way to put this, and frankly, to people of this ilk, I have no inclination to be hospitable. This should be called as it is. Idiocy.
PC Surgeon's asinine assertion that "he asked for proof and no one gave it to him" is contemptible, as was pointed out, was also flat out false and either a lie on his part, or laziness of the highest order.

Sorry if that offends you, but sheer willed ignorance of Juror's caliber has no room for interpretation; it's just stupidity. And the devil's advocate schtick from others is not much better.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Oh grow a pair, Darlene.

Reading skills help. Again, he wasn't banned for "being an arse", he was banned for derailing a thread, again, after being warned before and being banned for the exact same thing less than a week ago.

Second, there's no "nice" way to put this, and frankly, to people of this ilk, I have no inclination to be hospitable. This should be called as it is. Idiocy.
PC Surgeon's asinine assertion that "he asked for proof and no one gave it to him" is contemptible, as was pointed out, was also flat out false and either a lie on his part, or laziness of the highest order.

Sorry if that offends you, but sheer willed ignorance of Juror's caliber has no room for interpretation; it's just stupidity. And the devil's advocate schtick from others is not much better.

You ignorant fool. If derailing a thread warrants a ban then why aren't all threads enforced with the same rule?

Answer: It depends on who likes you. End of motherfuckin story.

 

[rockyct]

No gas chambers at Dachau? lulz, "documentary" riiiiiight.

I did visit Dachau in 1998 and from what I recall there really weren't full scale gas chambers but I could be wrong. There were a couple rooms that looks like showers where I think they said were possible used occasionally (not on a regular basis) as gas chambers but they were pretty small, like 10x10. There was a big room of person sized brick ovens (maybe 6 or so) though and that was a more disturbing sight.

It doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen, just that Dachau itself didn't mass murder their prisoners. There were other locations that did of course.

 

[woolfe9998]

I did visit Dachau in 1998 and from what I recall there really weren't full scale gas chambers but I could be wrong. There were a couple rooms that looks like showers where I think they said were possible used occasionally (not on a regular basis) as gas chambers but they were pretty small, like 10x10. There was a big room of person sized brick ovens (maybe 6 or so) though and that was a more disturbing sight.

It doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen, just that Dachau itself didn't mass murder their prisoners. There were other locations that did of course.

There is some evidence that a gas chamber was built or under construction at Dachau, but no credible evidence it was ever used. The room they believe was a gas chamber remains and that is what you probably saw.