BCS week 7 standings out

[sciencewhiz]

http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/bcs-long-7.pdf

Georgia did slip past Boise State for #7, so if Cal loses, Texas would have a chance for a BCS bowl.

The games to watch next week: Virginia Tech @ Miami. This is for the ACC championship, and the BCS bid. This will also affect USC in the computers a lot as Virginia Tech is their second best win.

Pittsburgh @ South Florida: If Pittsburgh wins this, they are guaranteed the BCS bid from the Big East. If they lose, they still probably have an edge on Syracuse, but it comes down to the wire. Boston College and West Virgina are eliminated from contention for the BCS bowl.

Oklahoma vs. Colorado: Oklahoma lost the Big 12 championship game last year and still made the title game. No chance of that happening here, and I'd be very suprised if they still made a BCS game.

USC @ UCLA: UCLA's strength is the run, and are weak defending the pass. Both play into USC's strengths.

Auburn vs Tennessee: If auburn doesn't win by 4 touchdowns, they don't deserve a BCS game. Normally it's hard to beat a good team twice in a season, but that doesn't apply this year because Tennessee isn't a good team right now. Since losing to Notre Dame, they've barely beaten the two worst teams in the SEC.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/bcs-long-7.pdf

Georgia did slip past Boise State for #7, so if Cal loses, Texas would have a chance for a BCS bowl.

The games to watch next week: Virginia Tech @ Miami. This is for the ACC championship, and the BCS bid. This will also affect USC in the computers a lot as Virginia Tech is their second best win.

Pittsburgh @ South Florida: If Pittsburgh wins this, they are guaranteed the BCS bid from the Big East. If they lose, they still probably have an edge on Syracuse, but it comes down to the wire. Boston College and West Virgina are eliminated from contention for the BCS bowl.

Oklahoma vs. Colorado: Oklahoma lost the Big 12 championship game last year and still made the title game. No chance of that happening here, and I'd be very suprised if they still made a BCS game.

USC @ UCLA: UCLA's strength is the run, and are weak defending the pass. Both play into USC's strengths.

Auburn vs Tennessee: If auburn doesn't win by 4 touchdowns, they don't deserve a BCS game. Normally it's hard to beat a good team twice in a season, but that doesn't apply this year because Tennessee isn't a good team right now. Since losing to Notre Dame, they've barely beaten the two worst teams in the SEC.

I've gotta disagree with that last statement. Even though Auburn's schedule hasn't been that tough, going undefeated is a pretty tough task to accomplish, especially in a BCS conference. They totally deserve a BCS bid even if they barely beat Tennessee.

 

[shuan24]

what are you talking about Auburn hasn't had a tough schedule? Please point me to a team tougher than theirs!

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: shuan24
what are you talking about Auburn hasn't had a tough schedule? Please point me to a team tougher than theirs!

for starters, texas a&m had the toughest schedule in the nation according to experts.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: shuan24
what are you talking about Auburn hasn't had a tough schedule? Please point me to a team tougher than theirs!

go look at the SOS stats on the different computer ranking sites. The highest I've seen Auburn is 47th and the lowest is 72nd for their SOS.

 

[dr150]

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Auburn fans, I know you don't want to hear this, but these six words explain why the Tigers are unlikely to play in the Orange Bowl come January: Louisiana-Monroe, The Citadel, Louisiana Tech.

Those three schools represent 1) Auburn's non-conference schedule this season and 2) nothing out of the ordinary. Look, it's not the players' fault. But the athletic administration at Auburn consistently schedules a trio of weak, non-BCS conference schools who agree to play at Jordan-Hare each year in order to pad both the Tigers' record and the athletic department's budget.

I crunched numbers. Actual chomping of data. Beginning with the 1993 squad that finished 11-0 while on probation (Terry Bowden's first season as Tigers coach), here is Auburn's out-of-conference combat record:

? 38 games overall

? 34 games played at Jordan-Hare, only four on the road

? Only two of those 38 opponents were ranked (Southern Cal both times) and the Tigers were 0-2 versus the Trojans in this period.

? Only seven of those 38 opponents are BCS schools (USC twice, Virginia twice, Syracuse twice, Georgia Tech) and in those games Auburn's record was 2-5.

Earlier this month Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville made a comment to the effect that he'd find it hard to believe a school from the SEC could finish undefeated and not be invited to play in the national championship game. Believe it, coach.

No school can control the quality of its in-conference opponents. You hope that they are tough enough to challenge you, but not so strong as to beat you. Oklahoma and Southern Cal were both fortunate in that they beat two schools, Texas and Cal, respectively, who have gone 10-1 and are in everyone's top eight.

Auburn, although it does play in the SEC, has beaten its in-conference competition, but no opponent this season has been as good as Cal or Texas. SEC folk -- I lived in Alabama and covered the conference exclusively for a year, and have returned many times since -- are usually correct when they argue that theirs is the best conference in the nation. However, the stifling parochialism displayed by Auburn (just one trip west of the Mississippi in the past 20 seasons) and its SEC kin has at last come back to bite the Tigers.

Not to mention -- although I'm about to -- that Auburn played seven home games (and four road) this season, which is about its average. Southern Cal, meanwhile will have played six and six; Oklahoma six home, five away (not including the Big 12 Championship game).

Auburn can control its non-conference slate, and year-in and year-out chooses to tackle patsies. A partial list of its non-SEC opponents from the past 11 seasons: Samford, Northeast Louisiana (three times), East Tennessee State, UT-Chattanooga, Appalachian State and Louisiana-Monroe (twice). Auburn, listen: Homecoming should only happen once a year.

Don't blame the players. And don't blame the system. But, if you agree that Auburn, Oklahoma and Southern Cal are the only three schools deserving of a bid for the Orange Bowl, well, then you have to play musical chairs with that trio. And you can't blame any one school for the quality of its in-conference foes. But while Southern Cal was scheduling Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, BYU and Colorado State (two of those games on the road) and Oklahoma was taking on Bowling Green, Houston and Oregon in Norman (at least one of those was a BCS program), Auburn stayed home, played three lambs and counted the gate receipts. And that, most likely, will make it the first undefeated SEC school not to play for a national title since ... the '93 Auburn Tigers.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: KLin
I've gotta disagree with that last statement. Even though Auburn's schedule hasn't been that tough, going undefeated is a pretty tough task to accomplish, especially in a BCS conference. They totally deserve a BCS bid even if they barely beat Tennessee.

Well, Auburn has 2 weeks off, they'll have 4 weeks off before the bowls. It's a neutral site, just like the bowls. And, they'll be meeting a far inferior team then they will in the bowls.

Of course, I don't think that Pittsburgh or Miami deserve BCS bowls either. But, that's the way the system shakes out.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: KLin

I've gotta disagree with that last statement. Even though Auburn's schedule hasn't been that tough, going undefeated is a pretty tough task to accomplish, especially in a BCS conference. They totally deserve a BCS bid even if they barely beat Tennessee.

Let it go. Sciencewhiz has a bias against Auburn and the SEC. Even if Auburn had played USC and beaten them this year, he'd probably still argue that USC is still the better team.

FYI: Auburn was scheduled to play Bowling Green this year but BGSU bailed out of the game after the off-field issues.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/bcs-long-7.pdf

Georgia did slip past Boise State for #7, so if Cal loses, Texas would have a chance for a BCS bowl.

The games to watch next week: Virginia Tech @ Miami. This is for the ACC championship, and the BCS bid. This will also affect USC in the computers a lot as Virginia Tech is their second best win.

Pittsburgh @ South Florida: If Pittsburgh wins this, they are guaranteed the BCS bid from the Big East. If they lose, they still probably have an edge on Syracuse, but it comes down to the wire. Boston College and West Virgina are eliminated from contention for the BCS bowl.

Oklahoma vs. Colorado: Oklahoma lost the Big 12 championship game last year and still made the title game. No chance of that happening here, and I'd be very suprised if they still made a BCS game.

USC @ UCLA: UCLA's strength is the run, and are weak defending the pass. Both play into USC's strengths.

Auburn vs Tennessee: If auburn doesn't win by 4 touchdowns, they don't deserve a BCS game. Normally it's hard to beat a good team twice in a season, but that doesn't apply this year because Tennessee isn't a good team right now. Since losing to Notre Dame, they've barely beaten the two worst teams in the SEC.

A win is still a win, plus those two worst teams of the SEC could whip most teams in the Pac, Wac, Mac or HACK

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: KLin

I've gotta disagree with that last statement. Even though Auburn's schedule hasn't been that tough, going undefeated is a pretty tough task to accomplish, especially in a BCS conference. They totally deserve a BCS bid even if they barely beat Tennessee.

Let it go. Sciencewhiz has a bias against Auburn and the SEC. Even if Auburn had played USC and beaten them this year, he'd probably still argue that USC is still the better team.

FYI: Auburn was scheduled to play Bowling Green this year but BGSU bailed out of the game after the off-field issues.

no to defend him or anything, but i have seen more bias against usc on this board than against any other team, anyway it will be sad if auburn (although as pointed out in a article they do themselves schedule some weak out of conference teams (ofcourse their in conference schedule is very good, hopefully it will be better next season, usc start against arkansas next year i think) wins out and doesnt get to the championship game, just like i was sad when usc didnt make the 'official' championship game last season

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/bcs-long-7.pdf

Georgia did slip past Boise State for #7, so if Cal loses, Texas would have a chance for a BCS bowl.

The games to watch next week: Virginia Tech @ Miami. This is for the ACC championship, and the BCS bid. This will also affect USC in the computers a lot as Virginia Tech is their second best win.

Pittsburgh @ South Florida: If Pittsburgh wins this, they are guaranteed the BCS bid from the Big East. If they lose, they still probably have an edge on Syracuse, but it comes down to the wire. Boston College and West Virgina are eliminated from contention for the BCS bowl.

Oklahoma vs. Colorado: Oklahoma lost the Big 12 championship game last year and still made the title game. No chance of that happening here, and I'd be very suprised if they still made a BCS game.

USC @ UCLA: UCLA's strength is the run, and are weak defending the pass. Both play into USC's strengths.

Auburn vs Tennessee: If auburn doesn't win by 4 touchdowns, they don't deserve a BCS game. Normally it's hard to beat a good team twice in a season, but that doesn't apply this year because Tennessee isn't a good team right now. Since losing to Notre Dame, they've barely beaten the two worst teams in the SEC.

A win is still a win, plus those two worst teams of the SEC could whip most teams in the Pac, Wac, Mac or HACK

Sorry, but Vandy and Kentucky suck. Besides Auburn, the SEC is not that great this year.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/bcs-long-7.pdf

Georgia did slip past Boise State for #7, so if Cal loses, Texas would have a chance for a BCS bowl.

The games to watch next week: Virginia Tech @ Miami. This is for the ACC championship, and the BCS bid. This will also affect USC in the computers a lot as Virginia Tech is their second best win.

Pittsburgh @ South Florida: If Pittsburgh wins this, they are guaranteed the BCS bid from the Big East. If they lose, they still probably have an edge on Syracuse, but it comes down to the wire. Boston College and West Virgina are eliminated from contention for the BCS bowl.

Oklahoma vs. Colorado: Oklahoma lost the Big 12 championship game last year and still made the title game. No chance of that happening here, and I'd be very suprised if they still made a BCS game.

USC @ UCLA: UCLA's strength is the run, and are weak defending the pass. Both play into USC's strengths.

Auburn vs Tennessee: If auburn doesn't win by 4 touchdowns, they don't deserve a BCS game. Normally it's hard to beat a good team twice in a season, but that doesn't apply this year because Tennessee isn't a good team right now. Since losing to Notre Dame, they've barely beaten the two worst teams in the SEC.

A win is still a win, plus those two worst teams of the SEC could whip most teams in the Pac, Wac, Mac or HACK

Sorry, but Vandy and Kentucky suck. Besides Auburn, the SEC is not that great this year.

And the SEC is?

I mean come on ASU loses to Arizona?

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/bcs-long-7.pdf

Georgia did slip past Boise State for #7, so if Cal loses, Texas would have a chance for a BCS bowl.

The games to watch next week: Virginia Tech @ Miami. This is for the ACC championship, and the BCS bid. This will also affect USC in the computers a lot as Virginia Tech is their second best win.

Pittsburgh @ South Florida: If Pittsburgh wins this, they are guaranteed the BCS bid from the Big East. If they lose, they still probably have an edge on Syracuse, but it comes down to the wire. Boston College and West Virgina are eliminated from contention for the BCS bowl.

Oklahoma vs. Colorado: Oklahoma lost the Big 12 championship game last year and still made the title game. No chance of that happening here, and I'd be very suprised if they still made a BCS game.

USC @ UCLA: UCLA's strength is the run, and are weak defending the pass. Both play into USC's strengths.

Auburn vs Tennessee: If auburn doesn't win by 4 touchdowns, they don't deserve a BCS game. Normally it's hard to beat a good team twice in a season, but that doesn't apply this year because Tennessee isn't a good team right now. Since losing to Notre Dame, they've barely beaten the two worst teams in the SEC.

A win is still a win, plus those two worst teams of the SEC could whip most teams in the Pac, Wac, Mac or HACK

Sorry, but Vandy and Kentucky suck. Besides Auburn, the SEC is not that great this year.

And the SEC is?

I mean come on ASU loses to Arizona?

did you mean to say "And the PAC-10 is?"

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/bcs-long-7.pdf

Georgia did slip past Boise State for #7, so if Cal loses, Texas would have a chance for a BCS bowl.

The games to watch next week: Virginia Tech @ Miami. This is for the ACC championship, and the BCS bid. This will also affect USC in the computers a lot as Virginia Tech is their second best win.

Pittsburgh @ South Florida: If Pittsburgh wins this, they are guaranteed the BCS bid from the Big East. If they lose, they still probably have an edge on Syracuse, but it comes down to the wire. Boston College and West Virgina are eliminated from contention for the BCS bowl.

Oklahoma vs. Colorado: Oklahoma lost the Big 12 championship game last year and still made the title game. No chance of that happening here, and I'd be very suprised if they still made a BCS game.

USC @ UCLA: UCLA's strength is the run, and are weak defending the pass. Both play into USC's strengths.

Auburn vs Tennessee: If auburn doesn't win by 4 touchdowns, they don't deserve a BCS game. Normally it's hard to beat a good team twice in a season, but that doesn't apply this year because Tennessee isn't a good team right now. Since losing to Notre Dame, they've barely beaten the two worst teams in the SEC.

A win is still a win, plus those two worst teams of the SEC could whip most teams in the Pac, Wac, Mac or HACK

Sorry, but Vandy and Kentucky suck. Besides Auburn, the SEC is not that great this year.

And the SEC is?

I mean come on ASU loses to Arizona?

I'm assuming you mean the Pac-10.

If you want to analyze Auburn's "big" wins:

Georgia - 9-2 - Who have they beat this year? LSU? Big whoop. LSU isn't great this year either.

Tennessee - 9-2 - I know they are on their 3rd/4th string QB, but their DEFENSE has given up 30+ pts/game vs. Vandy and Kentucky. Teams that have COMBINED for 4 wins this season. They beat Georgia (who can't move the ball against a decent D) and a 7-4 Florida team.


The Pac-10's top two teams are better than the top two teams in any other conference. The Big-12 is a close second. I have watched Texas and Cal both play a good amount and Cal is a better team, IMO.

If it were up to me, I'd put Auburn in the BCS championship game before Oklahoma. Auburn is a better team. That being said, this is what happens when you play LA-Monroe, The Citadel and La. Tech.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: mpitts
If you want to analyze Auburn's "big" wins:

Georgia - 9-2 - Who have they beat this year? LSU? Big whoop. LSU isn't great this year either.

Tennessee - 9-2 - I know they are on their 3rd/4th string QB, but their DEFENSE has given up 30+ pts/game vs. Vandy and Kentucky. Teams that have COMBINED for 4 wins this season. They beat Georgia (who can't move the ball against a decent D) and a 7-4 Florida team.


The Pac-10's top two teams are better than the top two teams in any other conference. The Big-12 is a close second. I have watched Texas and Cal both play a good amount and Cal is a better team, IMO.

Texas and Cal are great teams, but I don't think you can dismiss Auburn's wins over UGA or UT as less impressive than USC's or OU's big wins. Both Georgia and Tennessee have beaten 2 top twenty teams and both were absolutely destroyed by Auburn. Texas and Cal's best wins are 20 or below depending on which poll you look at and neither OU and USC were exactly dominant in their victories.

 

[Brackis]

The huge slap in the face comes from Boise State falling behind Georgia. Georgia had to hold on for dear life against a pathetic G-Tech team while Boise emberassed Nevada in Primetime by 50 points, yet Georgia passes them.
Sad

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: KLin

I've gotta disagree with that last statement. Even though Auburn's schedule hasn't been that tough, going undefeated is a pretty tough task to accomplish, especially in a BCS conference. They totally deserve a BCS bid even if they barely beat Tennessee.

Let it go. Sciencewhiz has a bias against Auburn and the SEC. Even if Auburn had played USC and beaten them this year, he'd probably still argue that USC is still the better team.

FYI: Auburn was scheduled to play Bowling Green this year but BGSU bailed out of the game after the off-field issues.

No, they bailed on Auburn so they could play OU.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: Brackis
The huge slap in the face comes from Boise State falling behind Georgia. Georgia had to hold on for dear life against a pathetic G-Tech team while Boise emberassed Nevada in Primetime by 50 points, yet Georgia passes them.
Sad

I'm getting really tired of hearing about Boise and I can't wait for the Liberty Bowl this year.

 

[hdeck]

the pac 10 is a joke. then again, so is the sec.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: hdeck
the pac 10 is a joke. then again, so is the sec.

And the Big 12.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Here are the ratings using last year's system:

1. USC 2.80
2. Oklahoma 3.14
3. Auburn 7.08
4. Texas 10.74
5. Cal 12.28
6. Utah 12.98
7. Georgia 18.42
8. Boise St 20.02
9. Miami 21.90
10. Louisville 23.58
11. LSU 25.18
12. Iowa 26.96

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Brackis
The huge slap in the face comes from Boise State falling behind Georgia. Georgia had to hold on for dear life against a pathetic G-Tech team while Boise emberassed Nevada in Primetime by 50 points, yet Georgia passes them.

I actually predicted that to happen in the people hope Texas loses thread from last week. The sad thing is the BCS doesn't consider margin of victory. The 50 point blowout counts the same as a one point win in triple overtime. So all that matters is record. Boise St played a 5-7 team (3-5 conference record in a bad conference) while Georgia played a 6-5 team (4-4 conference record in a tough conference). If you don't watch the games and don't pay attention to the scores, you too would certainly give a boost to Georgia.

By the way, my computer also reports that Auburn had a quite easy schedule (I'll try to post it tomorrow, there really isn't any significant change from last week). That is their biggest problem. With 3 good undefeated teams, someone has to be left out. In this case, the team with the easiest schedule is a reasonable team to be left out. Other measures: Auburn is #3 in AP poll, #3 in coaches poll, and #3 in EVERY SINGLE BCS computer (remember, they don't consider score and only schedule strength matters).

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
...ratings using last year's system:

The removal of SoS as a separate component seems to have done what it was supposed to: despite their terrible OoC opponents, Auburn at least has a slim shot at moving into #2 with this year's formula where it looks like that would have been completely impossible last year. The only team specifically screwed by the change is Texas, of course.

 

[Feldenak]

I actually like this ranking system:

Wins minus losses.
Quality Wins. The number of wins over teams that finish with a winning record. An added 0.25 is given to a Quality Win on the road. This doesn't count for wins over D-IAA teams.
Elite Wins. Wins over teams that finish with three losses or fewer. An added 0.25 is given to an Elite Win on the road.
Bad Wins. A win over teams with three wins or fewer. 0.25 is taken away for each of these wins. A win over a D-IAA team automatically counts as a Bad Win.
Bad Loss. A loss to a team with three wins or fewer. An additional 0.25 is tacked on for a Bad Loss at home. A loss to a D-IAA team automatically counts as a Bad Loss.
Elite Loss. A loss to a team with three losses or fewer. 0.25 is added to the total score.
Point Differential. Points for minus points against divided by 10

 

[MrCodeDude]

Alright! Ohio State made a comeback with a #25 seed

We're still going to be playing in a crappy bowl game