BCS week 7 standings out

[ElFenix]

that 5th bcs bowl can't come soon enough

 

[imported_earthslash]

The margin of victory thing isn't fixed. People in their arguments say: team such and such only beat this other team by so many points, so they don't deserve to be in this bowl, etc. Obviously the margin still has a bearing on the coaches and AP opinion which accounts for 2/3rds of a teams placement in the overall standings. It is sad Boise State is getting passed by two loss teams... a win is a win. I don't care if they play in what is considered a "weaker conference". The teams from the non-major conferences are not even given a shot at the BCS, which is totally unfair. Utah is an exception, they went undefeated and certain things happened that allowed them to be #6. If they were #7 theres no way the BCS would pick them even though they were eligible. Only because the bcs is forced to pick them in the rules will they get into a BCS game and likely they will get put against Pittsburgh, which is quite sad. Auburn and Utah, now that would be a good game to see.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: earthslash
Auburn and Utah, now that would be a good game to see.

Actually, I think it would be rather boring. IMO, Alex Smith would spend the night running for his life from Auburn's DEs.

 

[dullard]

Feldenak: There are two things with that system that I personally dislike.
(1) It is very confusing in when points are taked on and when they are removed. As it is, what you posted appears to add 0.25 for a number of wins and you ADD 0.25 for a bad loss or elite loss? Shouldn't those losses subtract? Unless I'm reading it wrong that is.
(2) I don't like the idea that # of wins and # of losses is all that is important to make you an "elite" team. In my opinion, 8-3 Florida St is much more "elite" than 8-3 Memphis or 8-3 Miami (Ohio). Heck, a lot of 4 loss teams (Florida, UCLA, Ohio St, etc) come to mind which are more "elite" than Memphis.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: earthslash
Obviously the margin still has a bearing on the coaches and AP opinion which accounts for 2/3rds of a teams placement in the overall standings.

I guarantee that the coaches haven't seen the games. So they don't know if a 7 point win was a blowout or a lucky win. Plus, do you actually think the coaches (with all that is on their plate) could name the scores of the 100+ games played per week, every week, for the 14 weeks of the season? They aren't superhuman and many of them don't look at the scores even for the important games. Even if they did look at the scores, some won't take the scores into consideration.

The press has the time and they may or may not consider scores.

 

[sciencewhiz]

If USC, Oklahoma, and Auburn were to lose this weekend, it could be a Texas vs. Oklahoma rematch in the Orange bowl.

Cal would be 1st in the polls, Texas 2nd. Then USC, Oklahoma, and Auburn would be 3rd-5th. I think most voters would keep those teams ahead of Utah. The exact order would depend on how badly each loses.
For the computers, Oklahoma and Texas would likely be 1 or 2 in each computer, USC 3rd, and Auburn and Cal would be 4 or 5 in each.

Texas would be the BCS #1. If Oklahoma was 3rd in the polls, they'd get the second spot, otherwise, Cal would get it.

If Texas and Oklahoma were #1 and 2, then Colorado would not get a BCS bid, despite being conference champions. Cal would be 3rd and also not get a BCS bowl.

 

[bGIveNs33]

if all three of those teams lost, i would almost gurantee that it would be cal vs. texas... okalahoma would drop out. and you talk about usc being "3rd" in a poll, it doesn't go by their ranking, but the number of votes they get(i.e. 1500 votes). right now i think the big travesty is that pitt is going to get a bcs game over texas. the big east should give their bid to the newest bigeast member(starting next year) louisville, who I feel is better that utah, boise state, and all of the big east.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
if all three of those teams lost, i would almost gurantee that it would be cal vs. texas... okalahoma would drop out. and you talk about usc being "3rd" in a poll, it doesn't go by their ranking, but the number of votes they get(i.e. 1500 votes). right now i think the big travesty is that pitt is going to get a bcs game over texas. the big east should give their bid to the newest bigeast member(starting next year) louisville, who I feel is better that utah, boise state, and all of the big east.

Texas would be in for sure, but Cal would be too weak in the computers. Even if they were the voters' #1 they would probably need an overwhelming majority of votes to keep them in the BCS top 2. Just as long as we don't get a Cal/USC or Texas/Oklahoma rematch I'll be happy.

 

[dr150]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: earthslash
Obviously the margin still has a bearing on the coaches and AP opinion which accounts for 2/3rds of a teams placement in the overall standings.

I guarantee that the coaches haven't seen the games. So they don't know if a 7 point win was a blowout or a lucky win. Plus, do you actually think the coaches (with all that is on their plate) could name the scores of the 100+ games played per week, every week, for the 14 weeks of the season? They aren't superhuman and many of them don't look at the scores even for the important games. Even if they did look at the scores, some won't take the scores into consideration.

The press has the time and they may or may not consider scores.

Exactly. Well said. The AP/Coach ratings are nothing more than a popularity contest at the whims of the most "chatter" for that week. Agendas galore as well.

BTW, this whole BCS system is so flawed. Nothing will change. You can't tweak a system that's permanently damaged/broken from the get-go.

A paradigm shift is needed. No other way to resolve this endless bickering of which team is "worthy."

 

[kalster]

any changes expected tommorow?

 

[sciencewhiz]

Texas has a good chance of passing Cal. I wouldn't be suprised either way. USC and Oklahoma are pretty much assured #1 and #2, but not necessarily in that order.

Other then that, not anything that matters.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Texas has a good chance of passing Cal. I wouldn't be suprised either way. USC and Oklahoma are pretty much assured #1 and #2, but not necessarily in that order.

Other then that, not anything that matters.

I guess we'll find out tomorrow afternoon on the BCS selection show.

 

[hdeck]

everyone on espn is projecting the jump. i hope they are right.

 

[ElFenix]

guy on espn radio said cal was going to the rose bowl. but then, he isn't paid to think.

are the AP and USA today polls coming out before the selection show? it won't be hard to figure out if the jump was made or not.

 

[A5]

as few as three voters moving Texas ahead of Cal could give the BCS spot to the Longhorns. If exactly two AP voters and one coach switch their order in UT's favor, there will be a tie for No. 4 in the BCS. If two coaches and one AP voter make that same change, Texas would move in front.

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/...ry?page=roadtobcs/1202

Given that Cal didn't dominate Southern Miss, this scenario might actually play out...

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
guy on espn radio said cal was going to the rose bowl. but then, he isn't paid to think.

are the AP and USA today polls coming out before the selection show? it won't be hard to figure out if the jump was made or not.

No, they are holding them until the show (at least if they do it like last year).

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: A5

as few as three voters moving Texas ahead of Cal could give the BCS spot to the Longhorns. If exactly two AP voters and one coach switch their order in UT's favor, there will be a tie for No. 4 in the BCS. If two coaches and one AP voter make that same change, Texas would move in front.

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/...ry?page=roadtobcs/1202

Given that Cal didn't dominate Southern Miss, this scenario might actually play out...

I hope so.

#3 in the conference Arizona State gets waxed at Arizona
#2 in the conference Cal barely squeaks by a middle of the road SEC team
#1 in the conference USC barely gets by a middle of the road Pac 10 team

and explain to me why the media suckles at the Pac 10's bum all season?

3 BCS undefeated teams.
USC squeaks by an average to below average team
Auburn wins at a great team for the second time this year
Oklahoma destroys an average to above average team.

Explain to me why USC has gotten an automatic pass into the Orange Bowl?

 

[alexjohnson16]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: A5

#2 in the conference Cal barely squeaks by a middle of the road SEC team

Southern Miss is C-USA... but they are a pretty good team, they displayed that earlier in the year beating Nebraska at Memorial...

Even though Nebraska is terrible this year, its still not easy for a mid-major to go into such a storied stadium and defeat such a storied program...

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
3 BCS undefeated teams.
USC squeaks by an average to below average team
Auburn wins at a great team for the second time this year
Oklahoma destroys an average to above average team.

Explain to me why USC has gotten an automatic pass into the Orange Bowl?

Only two games for each team have been televised in my area, but from what I've seen USC is the team that should be left out. IMHO the overwhelming amount of first place votes they've been receiving don't seem to have been earned on the field.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

I hope so.

#3 in the conference Arizona State gets waxed at Arizona
#2 in the conference Cal barely squeaks by a middle of the road SEC team
#1 in the conference USC barely gets by a middle of the road Pac 10 team

and explain to me why the media suckles at the Pac 10's bum all season?

3 BCS undefeated teams.
USC squeaks by an average to below average team
Auburn wins at a great team for the second time this year
Oklahoma destroys an average to above average team.

Explain to me why USC has gotten an automatic pass into the Orange Bowl?

Lets apply that to the Big 12.

#3 in the conference Texas A&M gets waxed at Baylor.
#2 in the conference bareley squeks by Kansas, a below average Big 12 team, and Arkansas, a middle of the road SEC team.
#1 in the conference gives up 35 points and barely wins on two consecutive weeks to middle of the road conference teams.

Now, lets apply that to the SEC.

#3 in the conference gets waxed at home by Notre Dame, and barely squeaked by horrible teams Kentucky and Vanderbilt.
#2 in the conference barely squeaks by middle of the road ACC team Georgia Tech, and also squeaks by a middle of the road MAC team, Marshall.
#1 in the conference struggled against a middle of the road SEC team, Alabama.


If you only look at a selected 1 or 2 games of the season, no one deserves the national championship, except maybe Utah.

That's why the BCS looks at the whole season. Like how USC beat the ACC champion. Like how Oklahoma beat 4 ranked teams. And how Auburn beat up on The Citadel, Louisiana Tech, and Louisiana Monroe for out of conference games. Both USC and Oklahoma played teams with winning records OOC, and both played a team from a major conference. Auburn did neither (and still wouldn't have played against a major conference team, even if they had kept Bowling Green).

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Texas has a good chance of passing Cal. I wouldn't be suprised either way. USC and Oklahoma are pretty much assured #1 and #2, but not necessarily in that order.

Other then that, not anything that matters.

IHMO OU deserves to be moved up to 1 in the AP and coaches. Yes thats I right, I believe there should be a tie at #1 in both of those polls.

 

[digitalsm]

Im rooting for UT simply because if they jump Cal, A&M gets to go to the Cotton Bowl and Id be there for the game.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
Im rooting for UT simply because if they jump Cal, A&M gets to go to the Cotton Bowl and Id be there for the game.

didn't a&m already accept a bid for the holiday?

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: digitalsm
Im rooting for UT simply because if they jump Cal, A&M gets to go to the Cotton Bowl and Id be there for the game.

didn't a&m already accept a bid for the holiday?

Nope. They are in "play" for the Alamo, Holiday, or Cotton. They wont make their decision until today.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
That's why the BCS looks at the whole season. Like how USC beat the ACC champion. Like how Oklahoma beat 4 ranked teams. And how Auburn beat up on The Citadel, Louisiana Tech, and Louisiana Monroe for out of conference games. Both USC and Oklahoma played teams with winning records OOC, and both played a team from a major conference. Auburn did neither (and still wouldn't have played against a major conference team, even if they had kept Bowling Green).

The OoC argument is irrelevant. According to the NCAA, Auburn has the 10th most difficult schedule in the country. OU's is 22nd and USC's is 28th.
If you look at the whole season Auburn has beaten current top 25 teams more times than anyone and they've looked as good as anyone when doing it.