BCS title game

[sactoking]

With the LSU-ALA rematch set you can crown LSU as your 2011 Nat'l Champions without the game even being played. If LSU wins it will be an undisputed claim to the title. If ALA wins the game LSU is still the champ. The teams will have equal records with the sole loss coming to the other team. ALA's loss would be at home and LSU's loss would be neutral site. LSU's schedule would still be 20x harder than ALA's. So, thank you stupid BCS system, which makes the entire college season "meaningful", for making the entire last three weeks + bowl system meaningless.

 

[ElFenix]

With the LSU-ALA rematch set you can crown LSU as your 2011 Nat'l Champions without the game even being played. If LSU wins it will be an undisputed claim to the title. If ALA wins the game LSU is still the champ. The teams will have equal records with the sole loss coming to the other team. ALA's loss would be at home and LSU's loss would be neutral site. LSU's schedule would still be 20x harder than ALA's. So, thank you stupid BCS system, which makes the entire college season "meaningful", for making the entire last three weeks + bowl system meaningless.

why do we pretend that the superdome is a neutral site for LSU?

 

[Wreckem]

With the LSU-ALA rematch set you can crown LSU as your 2011 Nat'l Champions without the game even being played. If LSU wins it will be an undisputed claim to the title. If ALA wins the game LSU is still the champ. The teams will have equal records with the sole loss coming to the other team. ALA's loss would be at home and LSU's loss would be neutral site. LSU's schedule would still be 20x harder than ALA's. So, thank you stupid BCS system, which makes the entire college season "meaningful", for making the entire last three weeks + bowl system meaningless.

Except winner of BCS Championship game = the real National Champion. Record doesn't matter score on the score board after the BCS Championship Game does. Sure LSU could possible win the AP National Championship, but last time the title was split people laughed at USC for claiming the 2003 AP National Championship and most don't recognize it as legit national championship.

 

[Oil]

why do we pretend that the superdome is a neutral site for LSU?

It's not. Just like it wasn't for USC against Texas in the Rose Bowl

 

[manly]

Except winner of BCS Championship game = the real National Champion. Record doesn't matter score on the score board after the BCS Championship Game does. Sure LSU could possible win the AP National Championship, but last time the title was split people laughed at USC for claiming the 2003 AP National Championship and most don't recognize it as legit national championship.

maybe I'm biased but I've never had a problem w/ the AP poll. They opted out of the BCS formula because of the politicking by Mack Brown in 2004, and got replaced by Harris. Nothing against computer rankings per se but it's funny there's so many of them to even out whatever bias each one has on its own.

Alabama might be the 2nd best team in the country, but they don't really deserve a second try after choking FGs at home. The SEC has every right to be called the best conference in the BCS era, but didn't the computers put the Big-12 as the best conference this regular season? OSU has just as legitimate a claim to be in this game as Alabama does. I'm rooting for the Crimson Tide so that total chaos may ensue.

 

[Wreckem]

maybe I'm biased but I've never had a problem w/ the AP poll. They opted out of the BCS formula because of the politicking by Mack Brown in 2004, and got replaced by Harris. Nothing against computer rankings per se but it's funny there's so many of them to even out whatever bias each one has on its own.

Alabama might be the 2nd best team in the country, but they don't really deserve a second try after choking FGs at home. The SEC has every right to be called the best conference in the BCS era, but didn't the computers put the Big-12 as the best conference this regular season? OSU has just as legitimate a claim to be in this game as Alabama does. I'm rooting for the Crimson Tide so that total chaos may ensue.

Its laughable to say the Big 12 was the best conference this year. Rankings are all screwy anyways because they are screwed up by pre-season rankings.

 

[NeoV]

Obviously the winner of the BCS game is the 'national champion' - the question is should they if Alabama wins this game?

And for those people saying Ok.St shouldn't have lost to an average team - Alabama shouldn't have missed, what, 3 or 4 FG's, then they would be the team that was undefeated, not LSU.

 

[postmortemIA]

So SEC snitched few BIG12 teams, thus getting more coach votes ... and result and profit is seen already

 

[bunnyfubbles]

They are never going to amend a rule like that. You would see the SEC ditching the BCS if they tried to do that. You still may see the SEC trying to ditch the BCS if the BCS does not allow three teams from the same conference get a BCS bowl game in the future.

And I see your example, and give you, if LSU lost last night, they'd clearly still be the best team in the country but would have been DQ'ed from the BCS Title game under your rule because they didn't win their conference. And then we would have seen #3 vs #8 for the National Title.

Or what if Bama could actually fucking kick a field goal and went 13-0 and is was LSU that was 11-1. LSU would clearly be the best 1 loss team.

kind of like how #6 won the Superbowl against a #2. Oh wait, except those rankings actually mean something based off onfield performances that make sense because there aren't too many teams where rankings are based on popularity and stat padding and not actual head to head matchups, and its not too disappointing because even when a #6 wins the Superbowl or a #5 beats a previously undefeated team to win the championship, no one really cares or questions it because they all had a fair chance, not this "every game matters...except when we vote otherwise"

SEC gets to beat up on the most non conference teams with the easiest non conference schedules, and for every powerhouse they do have they have an equally abysmal program like Kentucky or Vanderbilt, and it shows in the bowl season where the SEC hasn't had the highest bowl winning percentage in the past 9 seasons despite regularly getting in the most teams because of all their non conference padding.

 

[ElFenix]

Obviously the winner of the BCS game is the 'national champion' - the question is should they if Alabama wins this game?

And for those people saying Ok.St shouldn't have lost to an average team - Alabama shouldn't have missed, what, 3 or 4 FG's, then they would be the team that was undefeated, not LSU.

there's a reason most college football oriented message boards refer to it as the MNC, mythical national championship.

 

[mcmilljb]

kind of like how #6 won the Superbowl against a #2. Oh wait, except those rankings actually mean something based off onfield performances that make sense because there aren't too many teams where rankings are based on popularity and stat padding and not actual head to head matchups, and its not too disappointing because even when a #6 wins the Superbowl or a #5 beats a previously undefeated team to win the championship, no one really cares or questions it because they all had a fair chance, not this "every game matters...except when we vote otherwise"

SEC gets to beat up on the most non conference teams with the easiest non conference schedules, and for every powerhouse they do have they have an equally abysmal program like Kentucky or Vanderbilt, and it shows in the bowl season where the SEC hasn't had the highest bowl winning percentage in the past 9 seasons despite regularly getting in the most teams because of all their non conference padding.

2010 - ACC, PAC10 champions and ACC runner-up were all beaten by SEC teams.
2011 - ACC, PAC12, Big East (co-) champions beaten by the SEC.
Padding our schedules with other BCS conference champions. That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. We also tore up the B10 in bowl games. Maybe the B10 should ask for some more regular season games with the SEC to bolster themselves.

Top 5
Oregon's non conference schedule - LSU (13-0), Nev. (7-5), Missouri St (2-9)
Stanford's non conference schedule - San Jose St (5-7), Duke (3-9), ND (8-4)
OSU's non conference schedule - UL-Laf. (8-4), Tulsa (8-4) and Arizona (4-8) (Arizona beat UL-Laf. by the way)
Alabama's non conference schedule - Kent St (5-7), Penn St (9-3), North Texas (5-7), Georgia Southern (10-2) (Georgia Southern is a good FCS team)
LSU's non conference schedule - Oregon (10-2), Northwestern St (5-6), WV (9-3), W Kent (7-5)

Padding schedule. Lulz. They all beat up on crappy schools. Every team tries to get 2 schools they know they can whoop on. The Big 12 decided they needed to whoop on themselves some more by playing 9 conference games. Factor in teams like Wash St (4-8) for Oregon and Stanford and Kansas (2-10) for OSU. I would mention Ole Miss, but you could't really expect them to be so bad that they'd lose to Kentucky and Vandy in the same year.

 

[Via]

Lets see how the bowls turn out.

If the SEC beats down every team they face then justice was done.

If not - it wasn't.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Well at least we know one thing's for sure...

The SEC is guaranteed to win it's 6th consecutive BCS title!

 

[squirrel dog]

7 sec teams are in bowls .

 

[bignateyk]

Bunch of bullshit. This is no different than in 2007 when everyone thought Michigan and Ohio State were the two best teams and should have played for a rematch.

Thankfully, sanity won out in that case and Florida got to play. And look what happened!

It should have been Stanford or Oklahoma State, with Alabama playing the other one.

Alabama already lost to LSU at home. They are clearly not the best team in the country. We don't know how Stanford or Ok. State would have fared.

 

[classy]

The BCS system is a joke!

Clearly is and has been. They need a playoff and they could easily use the bowl games to facilitate that and at the end have the top teams square off. I do believe the bcs does have some merit in that, the true best team is probably in the top 6 to 8 in the BCS. I think the final six, with two wild card games, winners facing top 2 BCS in bowl games, with the final two playing in the College Bowl championship.

 

[preslove]

Even a final 4 would alleviate the worst injustices.

The problem isn't just the BCS system. You also have a ton of lower tier bowls like capitol one and the gator bowl. Put a playoff system in and all those lower tier bowls lose prestige because they have nothing to do with the system that picks the champion.

 

[Darwin333]

Bolded and qft!

Shrug. I am a LSU fan and if LSU loses (they won't but lets pretend) the Championship game then they do not deserve to be the Champions. Period.

Kinda like the Superbowl, records mean jack shit when the game starts. The team with the most points on the board as the last second ticks off the clock is the Champ.

I really hope we see Lee in this game. After that abysmal first half Jefferson played against Georgia, we can't do that with Bama and win.

 

[Darwin333]

Bunch of bullshit. This is no different than in 2007 when everyone thought Michigan and Ohio State were the two best teams and should have played for a rematch.

Thankfully, sanity won out in that case and Florida got to play. And look what happened!

It should have been Stanford or Oklahoma State, with Alabama playing the other one.

Alabama already lost to LSU at home. They are clearly not the best team in the country. We don't know how Stanford or Ok. State would have fared.

Yes we do. LSU would have stomped a mudhole in their ass but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have had the opportunity.

 

[bignateyk]

Yes we do. LSU would have stomped a mudhole in their ass but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have had the opportunity.

That's what everyone said was going to happen to Florida in 2007.

 

[kalster]

Is it me or fans of SEC teams seem to support the conference rather than a team. Any thread on college football and you get sec homers chest thumping their conference even if their team sucks (think Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee) and is at the basement of SEC. Nothing wrong but just seems weird.

 

[American Gunner]

Kinda like the Superbowl, records mean jack shit when the game starts. The team with the most points on the board as the last second ticks off the clock is the Champ.

Yeah, I've never heard this complaint about the Super Bowl winner being the true Champion. What if the Steelers and Packers played last year during the season and the Steelers won. Then the Packers win in the SB. There's isn't any crying about them being co-champions. As much as I wanted to not see the rematch, the winner is the obvious champion.

 

[mugs]

Is it me or fans of SEC teams seem to support the conference rather than a team. Any thread on college football and you get sec homers chest thumping their conference even if their team sucks (think Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee) and is at the basement of SEC. Nothing wrong but just seems weird.

It's not just you, that's the way it is. It's not just the SEC though, the other big conferences are nearly as bad.

I understand the logic that when polls are determining rankings, the perception of having more difficult opponents reflects well on your team. But there is no way in hell I would ever root for a team that I consider to be a rival to win anything.

 

[NeoV]

the lower level bowls don't have anything to do with the BCS now, so how do they lose luster with a playoff system?

Imagine the excitement if this were to take place

Top 8 teams into a playoff

Seeds - LSU, Alabama, Ok.St, Stanford, Boise St,Oregon, Wisconsin, (insert 8th team here - still don't think a conference should have more than 2 teams in this though)

First Round - LSU/Clemson (or whatever the 8th ranked team is) - winner plays winner of
Stanford/Boise St (want to avoid conference matchups if possible)

Alabama/Wisconsin, winner plays winner of
Oklahoma St/Oregon (wouldn't this be a fun game to watch?)

You could easily use the BCS sites for those games, the fan interest would be amazing, and with this type of setup, no questions could be raised about who should/could be in the championship game.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Yeah, I've never heard this complaint about the Super Bowl winner being the true Champion. What if the Steelers and Packers played last year during the season and the Steelers won. Then the Packers win in the SB. There's isn't any crying about them being co-champions. As much as I wanted to not see the rematch, the winner is the obvious champion.

Yeah this happened when the Patriots went 18-1. They beat the Giants in week 17 of the regular season. Giants still make the playoffs as a 10-6 wild card team. End up knocking off the Patriots in the final minutes. Boom. Done.

I totally disagree with putting Alabama ahead of OSU. Bama may have only lost one game to the #1 team, but they didn't win against nearly as tough teams as OSU did. And that should be just as important. If they couldn't win at home, why would they be able to win in LSU's backyard?