BCS title game

[NeoV]

I've never been one of the people that says a team that doesn't win it's own conference shouldn't be able to play in the BCS championship game.

I think, clearly , LSU and Alabama are the two dominant defenses, and perhaps teams, this year.

LSU, in going undefeated - deserves a spot in the title game - no questions asked.

Alabama, though - personally, I think they are better than Oklahoma St is - but I'm not sure they deserve a rematch.

Ranked teams beaten? Oklahoma St wins 4 to 2. Strength of schedule - Oklahoma St 10th, Alabama 38th.

If it's Alabama v LSU in the title game - and Alabama wins - then what? They are the champs because they split with LSU? - For the record, I do believe Alabama wins in a rematch -they should have won the first game, and I think Miles, for all the great players he has, makes some really questionable moves.

(yes, a playoff solves this problem, but let's face it, it't not happening anytime soon).

LSU v Oklahoma St is a game I'd rather see - I'm not sure Ok.St can stop LSU from running the ball, but I'm guessing they could put some points on the board and at least make it interesting.

LSU's and Alabama's defenses are full of future NFL players (so are their O-lines and other skill positions for that matter) - no question about that - but for such dominant teams, they really have crappy to average at best QB play.

 

[Fingolfin269]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2210293

 

[Schadenfroh]

Alabama and Arkansas can still defeat just about any non-LSU team out there.

Funny how three of the top teams are in the same division of the same conference...

 

[NeoV]

Arkansas? Really?

I'll give you Bama and LSU, but that's it as far as 'top teams in the country' go.

S.Carolina, Arkansas, Georgia are all pretty much the same - good, but nothing special.

Arkansas lost to Alabama 38 to 14, and to LSU by 41-17 - they are clearly not in the same class.

 

[rcpratt]

Alabama had their chance against LSU at home.

Doesn't really matter though. It'll be Alabama unless the Harris voters do something surprising.

 

[mugs]

If it's Alabama v LSU in the title game - and Alabama wins - then what? They are the champs because they split with LSU?

No, they'd be the national champions because they won the National Championship Game. I don't know why so many college football plans have such a hard time getting that a National Championship Game determines the national champion without regard for any other game.

 

[BrokenVisage]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/bcs

Looks like LSU/Bama, no surprise to me. OSU had them in the computer rankings though.

http://rpibcsguy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26191645/33687155

 

[Ackmed]

No, they'd be the national champions because they won the National Championship Game. I don't know why so many college football plans have such a hard time getting that a National Championship Game determines the national champion without regard for any other game.

That doesnt mean its set in stone. The winner of the BCS champ game has had to share a title before. LSU will at least get a share. Their record is just too strong. At the time of the game, LSU has beaten the #3, #25, #16, #17, #20, #2, #3, and #14 team in the Country. Thats 9 out of 14 games the opposing team was ranked in the top 25. And will play the #2 team, Bama for the BCS champ game. There is no other team that is even close to doing that this season. They will have played 4 teams ranked either #2 or #3. Thats crazy.

For people who complain that OSU isnt in the champ game, they shouldnt have lost to a 5-5 crappy team. And the COACHES voted Bama ahead of OSU. People who know far more than any of us about football.

 

[Via]

They really need to ammed the BCS rules to disqualify a team that didn't play for it's conference title from playing in the championship game.

And not just beacuse of this year. Another sample scenario: OSU is undeafeted heading into OU, and loses while Alabama gets to sit there and slide into the #2 spot without having to play another game.

That's not right.

 

[Wreckem]

That doesnt mean its set in stone. The winner of the BCS champ game has had to share a title before. LSU will at least get a share. Their record is just too strong. At the time of the game, LSU has beaten the #3, #25, #16, #17, #20, #2, #3, and #14 team in the Country. Thats 9 out of 14 games the opposing team was ranked in the top 25. And will play the #2 team, Bama for the BCS champ game. There is no other team that is even close to doing that this season. They will have played 4 teams ranked either #2 or #3. Thats crazy.

For people who complain that OSU isnt in the champ game, they shouldnt have lost to a 5-5 crappy team. And the COACHES voted Bama ahead of OSU. People who know far more than any of us about football.

There are two trophies. The BCS Championship Trophy and the AP National Championship trophy.

The BCS/Coaches Trophy(the waterford crystal football) and then the AP Trophy(a goldish colored "bowl". If LSU loses its possible they can get the AP Trophy but they will not have any claim to the BCS/Coaches Trophy. There has only been one split title in the BCS era and that was in 2003 when LSU won the BCS but USC received the AP.

 

[Wreckem]

They really need to ammed the BCS rules to disqualify a team that didn't play for it's conference title from playing in the championship game.

And not just beacuse of this year. Another sample scenario: OSU is undeafeted heading into OU, and loses while Alabama gets to sit there and slide into the #2 spot without having to play another game.

That's not right.

They are never going to amend a rule like that. You would see the SEC ditching the BCS if they tried to do that. You still may see the SEC trying to ditch the BCS if the BCS does not allow three teams from the same conference get a BCS bowl game in the future.

And I see your example, and give you, if LSU lost last night, they'd clearly still be the best team in the country but would have been DQ'ed from the BCS Title game under your rule because they didn't win their conference. And then we would have seen #3 vs #8 for the National Title.

Or what if Bama could actually fucking kick a field goal and went 13-0 and is was LSU that was 11-1. LSU would clearly be the best 1 loss team.

 

[midwestfisherman]

The BCS system is a joke!

 

[monk3y]

Even though I'm obviously an SEC fanboy... I don't think you should be able to play in the national championship if you haven't won your own conference.

I will say I believe Alabama to be the best team in the nation but they should have won out...

I always bring this up but a few years ago Ohio State and Michigan were supposed to be the best 2 teams in the nation. Luckily they didn't get the rematch in the national championship because they both lost their respective bowl games.

I just think in a BCS type system where teams only play 4 non-conference games you HAVE to play teams from different conferences in the National Title to get an accurate read on how good the teams are.

 

[monk3y]

And I see your example, and give you, if LSU lost last night, they'd clearly still be the best team in the country but would have been DQ'ed from the BCS Title game under your rule because they didn't win their conference. And then we would have seen #3 vs #8 for the National Title.

I see your point (a very good one).

I guess I just don't want to see a national championship with two teams from the same conference. I don't know what can be done to prevent this.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I see your point (a very good one).

I guess I just don't want to see a national championship with two teams from the same conference. I don't know what can be done to prevent this.

SEC homer here and I didn't really want this game either. I also don't want a team in the NC game with a loss to a .500 team. It's too bad Boise couldn't have been undefeated this year because they probably would have gotten their shot.

 

[MovingTarget]

I wouldn't blame the SEC here. They advocated for a playoff-type system years ago, and it was rejected. Under that system, AL wouldn't be in the BCS Championship this season.

 

[hdeck]

do not want to see this re-match...would be a perfect year for a plus one, imo. lsu vs. stanford and alabama vs. ok state. one can dream...

 

[Via]

They are never going to amend a rule like that. You would see the SEC ditching the BCS if they tried to do that. You still may see the SEC trying to ditch the BCS if the BCS does not allow three teams from the same conference get a BCS bowl game in the future.

And I see your example, and give you, if LSU lost last night, they'd clearly still be the best team in the country but would have been DQ'ed from the BCS Title game under your rule because they didn't win their conference. And then we would have seen #3 vs #8 for the National Title.

Or what if Bama could actually fucking kick a field goal and went 13-0 and is was LSU that was 11-1. LSU would clearly be the best 1 loss team.

I didn't say win the conference. I said that you'd have to win your division in whatever conference you play in.

That would protect against situations like that.

 

[weadjust]

Since we are going to have a rematch. I suggest the 2nd game start with the score 9-6 and play continues from the first game. At the end of 4 more quarters and possible overtime a winner is declared.

Seriously I wish both teams could loose. If AL wins the LSU folks will be bitching for years to come about how they got screwed out of a national championship and I couldn't blame them. I just don't want to hear about it.

 

[saratoga172]

Awesome. Snooze bowl part 2. That first game between them so so god awful boring. They couldn't do anything to save their life. Alabama couldn't hit a damn field goal.

I'm not really a fan of 3 plays, punt...every possession.

I don't know that O-State would be able to stay with LSU but I'd love to see that high powered offense against LSU's defense.

 

[saratoga172]

Since we are going to have a rematch. I suggest the 2nd game start with the score 9-6 and play continues from the first game. At the end of 4 more quarters and possible overtime a winner is declared.

Seriously I wish both teams could loose. If AL wins the LSU folks will be bitching for years to come about how they got screwed out of a national championship and I couldn't blame them. I just don't want to hear about it.

Bolded and qft!

 

[Via]

I just looked at LSu's and Ala's schedules again, and I still say FTS.

LSU beat Oregon early (no blowout), Ala beat Penn st. (no blowout) early, and that's it. Everything else on their schedules is SEC.

Arkansas, for example, is a hugely over-blown team. And yet their listed as a great team because they play in the SEC.

FTS

 

[Oil]

I just looked at LSu's and Ala's schedules again, and I still say FTS.

LSU beat Oregon early (no blowout), Ala beat Penn st. (no blowout) early, and that's it. Everything else on their schedules is SEC.

Arkansas, for example, is a hugely over-blown team. And yet their listed as a great team because they play in the SEC.

FTS

So who did the other two teams who could have gone to the NCG do OOC? Okie state and Stanford beat shitty Arizona and Notre Dame teams.

Also, you left out the LSU win over WVU in Morgantown (47-21). LSU beat the Pac 12 and co-Big East champs. Sounds legit to me

 

[Fingolfin269]

I just looked at LSu's and Ala's schedules again, and I still say FTS.

LSU beat Oregon early (no blowout), Ala beat Penn st. (no blowout) early, and that's it. Everything else on their schedules is SEC.

Arkansas, for example, is a hugely over-blown team. And yet their listed as a great team because they play in the SEC.

FTS

And Oklahoma state lost to a .500 team so what's your point?

 

[Via]

Who in the SEC besides LSU and Ala has any credibility as a top national team?

No one.

OSU destroyed the other title contender in their conference.