Fingolfin269
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It says a lot about the power of the Big 10 this year when Michigan can have a losing record (0-1 against Div 1-AA opponents as well!) until they get into conference play.
It says a lot about the power of the Big 10 this year when Michigan can have a losing record (0-1 against Div 1-AA opponents as well!) until they get into conference play.
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
It says a lot about the power of the Big 10 this year when Michigan can have a losing record (0-1 against Div 1-AA opponents as well!) until they get into conference play.
Hey now, don't discount that win over Eastern Michigan! heh
No but seriously, App State was a two time defending national champ. And Oregon is a fumble away from being #1 in the BCS. Embarrasing start for the winningest program in college history? Yes. But a good majority of the D1 teams out there could have faced those two teams to start the season and ended up 0-2
destrekor
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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
It says a lot about the power of the Big 10 this year when Michigan can have a losing record (0-1 against Div 1-AA opponents as well!) until they get into conference play.
Hey now, don't discount that win over Eastern Michigan! heh
No but seriously, App State was a two time defending national champ. And Oregon is a fumble away from being #1 in the BCS. Embarrasing start for the winningest program in college history? Yes. But a good majority of the D1 teams out there could have faced those two teams to start the season and ended up 0-2
lol EMU. If it's a team the University of Toledo plays, a Big 10 team should take them like cake.
but seriously, yea it was a rough start. And no it doesn't exactly say much for the Big 10, but judging from this thread, does anybody need to say anything more about the Big 10? gettin old already.
Originally posted by: Train
You realize Teddy Ginn has Olympic qualifying speed in track and field right? He actually turned down the olympic trials after his senior year of high school so he wouldnt miss football practice. Then you throw in guys like Jamario O'Neal (who actually beat Teddy in the 100 meter dash) and a handful of other Cleveland boys who were all high school all americans in track and field. Speed definetly wasnt the issue.Originally posted by: golfercraig
Originally posted by: destrekor
hey look, I can throw big predictions too, look look:
If OSU makes it to the BCS National Championship, whoever they play, be it Oregon or LSU, will lose. Period.
ooooo sounds mysterious and grande, doesn't it?
point being, stop with the fucking guaranteed predictions. It just further opens up the chance to call all of you idiots if it doesn't end the way all of you so all-knowingly think it will. I don't guarantee seeing OSU in the NC game, nor do I guarantee a win if they do.
Fact is, if you knew anything about OSU's ability last year, you would know they did NOT match their regular season play. Guaranteed. Ooo that word just got used again. Feels good to say I think... Regardless, if you knew the stats of the team, the percentages, the speed, etc etc etc.. and you watched the game, you'd see OSU played a sloppy sloppy game. All tapes could prove that easily. And be damned sure Tressel is applying what he saw last year to prevent that from happening again if the chance arises. Sure, they should have brought their A-game. I don't know what prevented them from doing so. Surely they practiced over the winter, but not actually facing an opponent in December probably didn't help, but I refuse to acknowledge that as an only answer. Teams play sloppy from time to time, for what reason who knows. The brightest of athletic stars play bad games. If this wasn't the case, competition wouldn't exist because the teams with the best stats would never lose, and we'd grow bored. We all know this. So, simply stating the notion that because they lost last year, played a sloppy game, and then throwing generalizations that Big 10 teams cannot hang with other teams, is pure bullshit. Grow up and remove your damned biased shades, all of you.
I make no claims of not being at all biased, but as a student I try to dodge that so that I don't look like a bloody fool. It's already strange enough that here in Columbus, talking of Michigan is like, sin. From NW Ohio, I was used to a three-way split of competition. People in Toledo either liked OSU, Mich, or ND. Some strange people chose other teams, but the point remains. In that environment, I was used to dealing with blind and ignorant Michigan fans, hell I'd say my aunt and uncle were two of those. lol
What I am trying to say is (after a damned tangent), is that I am not blind and ignorant as to my school's team's abilities. I know the Big 10 is weak this year, so sure, a lot of teams in the conference right know couldn't hang with the SEC, but rest assured, I'd venture a guess that OSU could, if they had synergy on the field. I say that, because if you watch ANY OSU game, you'd see, if they are playing with synergy amongst the entire team, and are unified in their efforts, they are damned impressive. Just, with a lot of fresh faces, and new starters, that synergy takes a little time to manifest. You see it with all teams. All.
I just hope for the chance to play another SEC team, that way we can have another shot, hopefully play smart and as good as they can, and possibly settle this again. Till then, it's bias against bias. Until the score is settled with a game, you'll never settle amongst fans of the different conferences.
oh and hell, if USC didn't play sloppy when they played UCLA last year, Florida wouldn't have even seen the chance to come to the NC game, and maybe none of this would have been an issue, given a difference opponent. Could have still played sloppy too. Who knows. Fact is, sloppy games happen, and usually at the worst moment. With USC, one sloppy game ruined their year. (overrated anyhow, but whatever)
Hell, watch LSU and Oregon play sloppy and lose and throw away a chance. Maybe OSU will play sloppy against Illinois or Michigan, and throw their chance away? Some regular season is left, and the way it has shaped up thus far, 'guaranteed' predictions should be the last thing anyone even utters. I refuse to, just because thats when I know I'll eat my words. I just hope for the chance to make all of you eat yours.
(damn this was a wordy post)
just to be clear--last years destruction was a "sloppy" game, and that's all? You honestly think OSU had the speed, or talent, to win that game?
usually? you mean once?
are you jon crack? Tom Brady's offense and Charles Woodsons defense? Woodson was so good he was the first (and only) defensive player to ever get the Heisman. Brady went on to be a pro-bowler. Michigan would have ate Nebraska alive in 97. Where in the F do you come up with this "not a single objective person" crap?
Ahh, so when teams you dont like win, they arent legitimate? pfft, talk about fanboi-ism. OSU was hardly handed the tile in 2002, they werent even supposed to be close remember? They ended regulation tied, they smacked the sh!t out of Miami all game, QB Ken Dorsey hadnt been sacked all year then OSU sacks him like 4 times in the first half. OSU defense was on fire. Miami's destiny was in thier own hands, they had 3 downs at the 2 yard line and couldn't handle the OSU defense to end the game.
Want to know the scary part? OSU's 2002 team is pathetic compared to this years team. Offense and Defense are both way better. Even scarier, last years offense, Troy Smith, Teddy Ginn, Anthony Gonzales, Antonio Pittman.... all gone... and replaced by a bunch of 1st year starters who are actually doing better, more consistent, more balanced. Brian Robiskie was practically bred to be a wideout, his dad (Dolphins WR coach) has trained him since he could walk. Just look at some of his freak catches this year. And yes, he's got speed. And unlinke last years team, they dont already have a championship ring.
hey, doofus, Tom Brady wasn't even the QB of the 97 Michigan team. Try to stay in threads you have some idea of the topic at hand. This one definitely isn't it. So, Ted Ginn is fast, therefore OSU had the team speed Florida did. Truly, the most idiotic statement in this thread (other than your comment about Brady, so at least you have both of the stupidest things here.) The talent difference last year was frightening. There is no other way to look at it. Just can't wait for it to happen again. And the 40 year comment, was that too large of a sample size, or too small? Either way, the Big 10 doesn't win national championships in football. 3 out of 40. How small do you want the sample size? 10 years? great, 1 title. Get some skill players with speed, then we'll talk. Until then, thank God for the Big 10 network, so the rest of the country is spared horrible football week after week.
Perhaps I let my opinion of Carr cloud my statement about Brady. But in Belicheck's defense, Bledsoe was a very accomplished qb that was taking the team places before that awful injury. Obviously once Brady came in and performed Bledsoe was out. Even when Brady was briefly hurt Bledsoe went back to the bench when Brady was fine.
So in my estimation, Carr == bad coach, Belicheck == better coach.
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
It says a lot about the power of the Big 10 this year when Michigan can have a losing record (0-1 against Div 1-AA opponents as well!) until they get into conference play.
Judging an entire conference by one team says a lot about the one judging.
Why aren't you judging the conference by the team at the top? That's right, the #1 team in the country. Why not judge the conference by the amount of teams at .500 or better (10)?
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