Here's one look at the chances for each team to make the NC game. http://tellshowbcs.com/BS.html
Big 10: 50%
SEC: 45%
Pac 10: 45%
Big 12: 40%
ACC: 10%
Big East: 5%
Big 10: 50%
SEC: 45%
Pac 10: 45%
Big 12: 40%
ACC: 10%
Big East: 5%
Originally posted by: SuperSix
My USF Bulls were not the real deal.
As someone who's lived in Hawaii most of my life, I'm hoping the Hawaii Warriors are
Right, because every year is the same! Why even play the game? Just hand out the bowl trophies now. Everyone who won last year will win again, etc. :roll:
It must be nice to predict the outcome of every game, I mean, damn, predicting 5 #2 teams dropping, I hope you had money on those!
preslove
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Big 10 teams can't handle SEC speed and are terrible against the spread offense. They just can't handle it because they all play standard offenses with slow skill position players.
Come on, it's obvious that the Big 10 is the weakest BCS conference. Ohio State will not play a decent team before they get to a bowl game. If they get to a BCS championship and play either Oregon or LSU they will lose. Period.
Last year in the bowls, Ohio State got killed by Florida, and Michigan got killed by USC, both winners having fast, skilled teams. However, Penn State and Wisconsin beat Tennessee and Arkansas by playing Big 10 football.
More food for thought:
In their entire bowl history, since 1920, Ohio State has never beaten an SEC team.
Alabama 0-2
South Carolina 0-2
Florida 0-1
Tennessee 0-1
Georgia 0-1
Auburn 0-1
Excluding SEC teams, however, Ohio State is 18-12 in bowls.
destrekor
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hey look, I can throw big predictions too, look look:
If OSU makes it to the BCS National Championship, whoever they play, be it Oregon or LSU, will lose. Period.
ooooo sounds mysterious and grande, doesn't it?
point being, stop with the fucking guaranteed predictions. It just further opens up the chance to call all of you idiots if it doesn't end the way all of you so all-knowingly think it will. I don't guarantee seeing OSU in the NC game, nor do I guarantee a win if they do.
Fact is, if you knew anything about OSU's ability last year, you would know they did NOT match their regular season play. Guaranteed. Ooo that word just got used again. Feels good to say I think... Regardless, if you knew the stats of the team, the percentages, the speed, etc etc etc.. and you watched the game, you'd see OSU played a sloppy sloppy game. All tapes could prove that easily. And be damned sure Tressel is applying what he saw last year to prevent that from happening again if the chance arises. Sure, they should have brought their A-game. I don't know what prevented them from doing so. Surely they practiced over the winter, but not actually facing an opponent in December probably didn't help, but I refuse to acknowledge that as an only answer. Teams play sloppy from time to time, for what reason who knows. The brightest of athletic stars play bad games. If this wasn't the case, competition wouldn't exist because the teams with the best stats would never lose, and we'd grow bored. We all know this. So, simply stating the notion that because they lost last year, played a sloppy game, and then throwing generalizations that Big 10 teams cannot hang with other teams, is pure bullshit. Grow up and remove your damned biased shades, all of you.
I make no claims of not being at all biased, but as a student I try to dodge that so that I don't look like a bloody fool. It's already strange enough that here in Columbus, talking of Michigan is like, sin. From NW Ohio, I was used to a three-way split of competition. People in Toledo either liked OSU, Mich, or ND. Some strange people chose other teams, but the point remains. In that environment, I was used to dealing with blind and ignorant Michigan fans, hell I'd say my aunt and uncle were two of those. lol
What I am trying to say is (after a damned tangent), is that I am not blind and ignorant as to my school's team's abilities. I know the Big 10 is weak this year, so sure, a lot of teams in the conference right know couldn't hang with the SEC, but rest assured, I'd venture a guess that OSU could, if they had synergy on the field. I say that, because if you watch ANY OSU game, you'd see, if they are playing with synergy amongst the entire team, and are unified in their efforts, they are damned impressive. Just, with a lot of fresh faces, and new starters, that synergy takes a little time to manifest. You see it with all teams. All.
I just hope for the chance to play another SEC team, that way we can have another shot, hopefully play smart and as good as they can, and possibly settle this again. Till then, it's bias against bias. Until the score is settled with a game, you'll never settle amongst fans of the different conferences.
oh and hell, if USC didn't play sloppy when they played UCLA last year, Florida wouldn't have even seen the chance to come to the NC game, and maybe none of this would have been an issue, given a difference opponent. Could have still played sloppy too. Who knows. Fact is, sloppy games happen, and usually at the worst moment. With USC, one sloppy game ruined their year. (overrated anyhow, but whatever)
Hell, watch LSU and Oregon play sloppy and lose and throw away a chance. Maybe OSU will play sloppy against Illinois or Michigan, and throw their chance away? Some regular season is left, and the way it has shaped up thus far, 'guaranteed' predictions should be the last thing anyone even utters. I refuse to, just because thats when I know I'll eat my words. I just hope for the chance to make all of you eat yours.
(damn this was a wordy post)
Let's get something straight. You lost that game. The game was over and the scoreboard was not in your favor.
After you lost that game, one of the most horrible pieces of officiating I've ever seen gave you another chance that you didn't deserve. After that Ohio St. got the benefit of Willis McGehee exploding his knee all over the field.
So no, you didn't win that game. You got it handed to you by bad officiating and bad luck. Or good luck depending on how you look at it. That's why you're forever glossed the Ohio State Luckeyes.
You have a fraudulent national championship, got ass raped in another one, and will get ass raped again this year if you happen to make it. Get used to the idea.
destrekor
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LMAO
you can't be serious.
oh shit, I think you actually think you are.
Seen here, is the classic example of memory blocking out what you care not to remember.
Let's see if anyone has a DVR'd copy of that game, so that they can post it. I KNOW for a fact, seeing as I watched the string of plays that lead up to the end of the game quite a few times, that the officiating was fucked up. HOWEVER, that was on both sides of the fence. Both teams had a seriously wrong call that prevented points. The first call, against OSU, prevented a touchdown that led to the next OT where Miami ended up getting stripped of points. It merely delayed what was set in stone the first go around. OSU had that game, the refs took it away, and then took the chance back away from Miami.
Should that call have been made against Miami? Hell no. But that would not have even mattered had the first call in the first OT not been made either.
actually, my memory is failing me now, as I cannot remember if that first call was at the end of regular play, or at the end of the first OT. Regardless, it prevented a touchdown for OSU that would have ended the game.
everyone cites that game as being handed to OSU. I love to point them in the right direction when they clearly forget the FIRST bad call.
i'm not even going to give your last statement any more recognition. i've said it enough and yet you people continue with the bullshit. shut the hell up and wait for the damned game, instead of making yourselves look like ignorant fools. Worse that that idiot Lee Corso.
Originally posted by: destrekor
hey look, I can throw big predictions too, look look:
If OSU makes it to the BCS National Championship, whoever they play, be it Oregon or LSU, will lose. Period.
ooooo sounds mysterious and grande, doesn't it?
point being, stop with the fucking guaranteed predictions. It just further opens up the chance to call all of you idiots if it doesn't end the way all of you so all-knowingly think it will. I don't guarantee seeing OSU in the NC game, nor do I guarantee a win if they do.
Fact is, if you knew anything about OSU's ability last year, you would know they did NOT match their regular season play. Guaranteed. Ooo that word just got used again. Feels good to say I think... Regardless, if you knew the stats of the team, the percentages, the speed, etc etc etc.. and you watched the game, you'd see OSU played a sloppy sloppy game. All tapes could prove that easily. And be damned sure Tressel is applying what he saw last year to prevent that from happening again if the chance arises. Sure, they should have brought their A-game. I don't know what prevented them from doing so. Surely they practiced over the winter, but not actually facing an opponent in December probably didn't help, but I refuse to acknowledge that as an only answer. Teams play sloppy from time to time, for what reason who knows. The brightest of athletic stars play bad games. If this wasn't the case, competition wouldn't exist because the teams with the best stats would never lose, and we'd grow bored. We all know this. So, simply stating the notion that because they lost last year, played a sloppy game, and then throwing generalizations that Big 10 teams cannot hang with other teams, is pure bullshit. Grow up and remove your damned biased shades, all of you.
I make no claims of not being at all biased, but as a student I try to dodge that so that I don't look like a bloody fool. It's already strange enough that here in Columbus, talking of Michigan is like, sin. From NW Ohio, I was used to a three-way split of competition. People in Toledo either liked OSU, Mich, or ND. Some strange people chose other teams, but the point remains. In that environment, I was used to dealing with blind and ignorant Michigan fans, hell I'd say my aunt and uncle were two of those. lol
What I am trying to say is (after a damned tangent), is that I am not blind and ignorant as to my school's team's abilities. I know the Big 10 is weak this year, so sure, a lot of teams in the conference right know couldn't hang with the SEC, but rest assured, I'd venture a guess that OSU could, if they had synergy on the field. I say that, because if you watch ANY OSU game, you'd see, if they are playing with synergy amongst the entire team, and are unified in their efforts, they are damned impressive. Just, with a lot of fresh faces, and new starters, that synergy takes a little time to manifest. You see it with all teams. All.
I just hope for the chance to play another SEC team, that way we can have another shot, hopefully play smart and as good as they can, and possibly settle this again. Till then, it's bias against bias. Until the score is settled with a game, you'll never settle amongst fans of the different conferences.
oh and hell, if USC didn't play sloppy when they played UCLA last year, Florida wouldn't have even seen the chance to come to the NC game, and maybe none of this would have been an issue, given a difference opponent. Could have still played sloppy too. Who knows. Fact is, sloppy games happen, and usually at the worst moment. With USC, one sloppy game ruined their year. (overrated anyhow, but whatever)
Hell, watch LSU and Oregon play sloppy and lose and throw away a chance. Maybe OSU will play sloppy against Illinois or Michigan, and throw their chance away? Some regular season is left, and the way it has shaped up thus far, 'guaranteed' predictions should be the last thing anyone even utters. I refuse to, just because thats when I know I'll eat my words. I just hope for the chance to make all of you eat yours.
(damn this was a wordy post)
just to be clear--last years destruction was a "sloppy" game, and that's all? You honestly think OSU had the speed, or talent, to win that game? Your opinion is officially skewed, and you are hereby known as a "fanboi." When USC, or LSU, or other teams with legitimate speed, play "sloppy", they don't get blown out/destroyed on national TV. That usually happens to Big 10 teams in National Championship games. That's why the Big Ten has been irrelevant for 40 years. 3 whole titles. One of them stolen. One of them given to a Michigan team by the writers to try to force a playoff in 1997 in a disgraceful, and ADMITTED ploy (not a SINGLE objective person would actually think Michigan was better than Nebraska that year.) SO, one LEGITIMATE title in 40 years. Nice job. Great conference. Good Lord--one national title in 40 years and people still fellate OSU like they really matter.
destrekor
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Originally posted by: golfercraig
Originally posted by: destrekor
hey look, I can throw big predictions too, look look:
If OSU makes it to the BCS National Championship, whoever they play, be it Oregon or LSU, will lose. Period.
ooooo sounds mysterious and grande, doesn't it?
point being, stop with the fucking guaranteed predictions. It just further opens up the chance to call all of you idiots if it doesn't end the way all of you so all-knowingly think it will. I don't guarantee seeing OSU in the NC game, nor do I guarantee a win if they do.
Fact is, if you knew anything about OSU's ability last year, you would know they did NOT match their regular season play. Guaranteed. Ooo that word just got used again. Feels good to say I think... Regardless, if you knew the stats of the team, the percentages, the speed, etc etc etc.. and you watched the game, you'd see OSU played a sloppy sloppy game. All tapes could prove that easily. And be damned sure Tressel is applying what he saw last year to prevent that from happening again if the chance arises. Sure, they should have brought their A-game. I don't know what prevented them from doing so. Surely they practiced over the winter, but not actually facing an opponent in December probably didn't help, but I refuse to acknowledge that as an only answer. Teams play sloppy from time to time, for what reason who knows. The brightest of athletic stars play bad games. If this wasn't the case, competition wouldn't exist because the teams with the best stats would never lose, and we'd grow bored. We all know this. So, simply stating the notion that because they lost last year, played a sloppy game, and then throwing generalizations that Big 10 teams cannot hang with other teams, is pure bullshit. Grow up and remove your damned biased shades, all of you.
I make no claims of not being at all biased, but as a student I try to dodge that so that I don't look like a bloody fool. It's already strange enough that here in Columbus, talking of Michigan is like, sin. From NW Ohio, I was used to a three-way split of competition. People in Toledo either liked OSU, Mich, or ND. Some strange people chose other teams, but the point remains. In that environment, I was used to dealing with blind and ignorant Michigan fans, hell I'd say my aunt and uncle were two of those. lol
What I am trying to say is (after a damned tangent), is that I am not blind and ignorant as to my school's team's abilities. I know the Big 10 is weak this year, so sure, a lot of teams in the conference right know couldn't hang with the SEC, but rest assured, I'd venture a guess that OSU could, if they had synergy on the field. I say that, because if you watch ANY OSU game, you'd see, if they are playing with synergy amongst the entire team, and are unified in their efforts, they are damned impressive. Just, with a lot of fresh faces, and new starters, that synergy takes a little time to manifest. You see it with all teams. All.
I just hope for the chance to play another SEC team, that way we can have another shot, hopefully play smart and as good as they can, and possibly settle this again. Till then, it's bias against bias. Until the score is settled with a game, you'll never settle amongst fans of the different conferences.
oh and hell, if USC didn't play sloppy when they played UCLA last year, Florida wouldn't have even seen the chance to come to the NC game, and maybe none of this would have been an issue, given a difference opponent. Could have still played sloppy too. Who knows. Fact is, sloppy games happen, and usually at the worst moment. With USC, one sloppy game ruined their year. (overrated anyhow, but whatever)
Hell, watch LSU and Oregon play sloppy and lose and throw away a chance. Maybe OSU will play sloppy against Illinois or Michigan, and throw their chance away? Some regular season is left, and the way it has shaped up thus far, 'guaranteed' predictions should be the last thing anyone even utters. I refuse to, just because thats when I know I'll eat my words. I just hope for the chance to make all of you eat yours.
(damn this was a wordy post)
just to be clear--last years destruction was a "sloppy" game, and that's all? You honestly think OSU had the speed, or talent, to win that game? Your opinion is officially skewed, and you are hereby known as a "fanboi." When USC, or LSU, or other teams with legitimate speed, play "sloppy", they don't get blown out/destroyed on national TV. That usually happens to Big 10 teams in National Championship games. That's why the Big Ten has been irrelevant for 40 years. 3 whole titles. One of them stolen. One of them given to a Michigan team by the writers to try to force a playoff in 1997 in a disgraceful, and ADMITTED ploy (not a SINGLE objective person would actually think Michigan was better than Nebraska that year.) SO, one LEGITIMATE title in 40 years. Nice job. Great conference. Good Lord--one national title in 40 years and people still fellate OSU like they really matter.
you spelled it fanboi. your opinion officially means nothing.
call me whatever you want, I still say bring it on, I'd love to see OSU play LSU. Your argument for USC is irrelevant since they got upset by a team that doesn't even matter according to everyone's logic here.
you can string any series of words together for the logic, or lack thereof, that oozes out of this entire thread. the point remains, until you see a matchup with the teams as they are now, you cannot make blind predictions from previous years, due to the ever changing lineups that comprise college football teams. It's ignorant to think that the way a team play last year has an impact on how they play the next, especially when most of the team is gone. It's the challenge of a team, to build up enough synergy in the span of a single preseason to carry them through the regular season. This is something I see in my military training all the time, and to say that has no common elements with a football team you are sorely mistaken.
and by the way, nice job only going forty years. Wanted to make a time frame that helped your argument, huh? It's up to coaching, and using good coaching to help build up a new dynasty takes time. OSU as a school is improving insanely fast due to the past couple of years, and that will spill over to the football team as it already has. What remains to happen is the rest of the Big 10 improving. That's not something a single team can really help, so don't hate on a single school because they have the luck of being in a less than stellar conference. Let that team prove themselves elsewhere. What didn't exactly help was the weak non-conference games OSU was given at the beginning of this year, coupled with the fact that it was coming off only a single pre-season of actual team-building, since a lot of who mattered left and fresh starters came in.
I said it before, and I'll it again for the slow learners: I make no claims. I go week to week. I have my hopes, but that's it. We'll see after the next two weeks where OSU goes, and who remains for the BCS NC game, if any of the top 3 are even in the same spots they are now.
preslove
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Yeah, but Tennessee and Arkansas had been beaten down by their schedules last year and were had been going off the rails towards the end of the season. Arkansas was the fourth highest ranked SEC team (NCAA #15), and Tennessee was the sixth (#25). Florida, LSU, and Auburn were higher than Arkansas, and Georgia (#23) was above Tennessee. Wisconsin (#7) was the Big 10's 2nd best team and penn state (#24) was their 4th best team. Tennessee and Arkansas are middle of the pack SEC programs that on that year had been beaten down by much better SEC teams, leaving them demoralized and injury ridden.
So last year, the Big 10's 2nd and 4th best team beat the SEC's 4th and 6th best teams. Meanwhile, the best teams from the SEC and Big 10, Florida and Ohio St, met and one was utterly humiliated. That was not a game, it was an execution. Add to that USC impressive defeat of Michigan and the Big 10's season is looking a lot worse.
LSU would have killed Wisconsin last year & Auburn would have easily beaten Penn State.
Face it, the big ten at best is a 2nd tier conference. This year they are looking like they're 3rd tier.
PAC 10 & SEC > Big East & Big 12 > Big 10
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My understanding is that it's the Pac-10 and Big-10 that won't agree to a playoff system. Any other info on this?
I love it. This thread fucking has it all. First, OSU is slow, worthless and irrelevant. Next we have the Big10 conference with a winning record against the SEC last year but this is of course explained by how beaten up the SEC teams were that lost. Then of course the entire big10 conference is worth less than shit because of some more narrowly viewed stats.
Oh yeah, some great arguments there...
The conference is so irrelevant that the OSU-Mich game is by far the best rivarly in sports. Last year's game attracted media from Japan, delivered like hell and had every ad man slobbering like a baby.
OSU sucks so much that we just set the conference record for consecutive conference wins and have a streak of 2+ year of regular season wins going. We have finished in the top 5 in six of the last ten years. We have five national championships, six heisman winners and have put the 3rd most players in the NFL (behind ND and USC - two other apparently worthless and irrelevant teams).
Big10 teams can't handle the spread. Mmmkay... OSU and at least three other teams (Purdue, NW, MSU) ran the spread last year.
I really don't get the hate. Maybe the haters, like Musberger, are from schools that we dominated while practicing twice a week for Michigan?
I'm not going to try to excuse the record against the SEC. There were some really good teams that beat OSU but it's unacceptable. Hopefully that will change. But if you think OSU played its best game last year against Fla you're delusional. But it's probably the best thing that happened to THIS YEAR'S team.
Oh yeah, some great arguments there...
The conference is so irrelevant that the OSU-Mich game is by far the best rivarly in sports. Last year's game attracted media from Japan, delivered like hell and had every ad man slobbering like a baby.
OSU sucks so much that we just set the conference record for consecutive conference wins and have a streak of 2+ year of regular season wins going. We have finished in the top 5 in six of the last ten years. We have five national championships, six heisman winners and have put the 3rd most players in the NFL (behind ND and USC - two other apparently worthless and irrelevant teams).
Big10 teams can't handle the spread. Mmmkay... OSU and at least three other teams (Purdue, NW, MSU) ran the spread last year.
I really don't get the hate. Maybe the haters, like Musberger, are from schools that we dominated while practicing twice a week for Michigan?
I'm not going to try to excuse the record against the SEC. There were some really good teams that beat OSU but it's unacceptable. Hopefully that will change. But if you think OSU played its best game last year against Fla you're delusional. But it's probably the best thing that happened to THIS YEAR'S team.
That sounds right. Whatever else you want to say about Florida, their AD and the SEC chair are the ones championing some sort of playoff system. Personally I think the additional game at the site of the NC game was the first step towards some kind of +1 system.
I hope you're right buddy. We SHOULD win out, but hey, as a Mizzou fan, you don't ever get your hopes up.
You realize Teddy Ginn has Olympic qualifying speed in track and field right? He actually turned down the olympic trials after his senior year of high school so he wouldnt miss football practice. Then you throw in guys like Jamario O'Neal (who actually beat Teddy in the 100 meter dash) and a handful of other Cleveland boys who were all high school all americans in track and field. Speed definetly wasnt the issue.Originally posted by: golfercraig
Originally posted by: destrekor
hey look, I can throw big predictions too, look look:
If OSU makes it to the BCS National Championship, whoever they play, be it Oregon or LSU, will lose. Period.
ooooo sounds mysterious and grande, doesn't it?
point being, stop with the fucking guaranteed predictions. It just further opens up the chance to call all of you idiots if it doesn't end the way all of you so all-knowingly think it will. I don't guarantee seeing OSU in the NC game, nor do I guarantee a win if they do.
Fact is, if you knew anything about OSU's ability last year, you would know they did NOT match their regular season play. Guaranteed. Ooo that word just got used again. Feels good to say I think... Regardless, if you knew the stats of the team, the percentages, the speed, etc etc etc.. and you watched the game, you'd see OSU played a sloppy sloppy game. All tapes could prove that easily. And be damned sure Tressel is applying what he saw last year to prevent that from happening again if the chance arises. Sure, they should have brought their A-game. I don't know what prevented them from doing so. Surely they practiced over the winter, but not actually facing an opponent in December probably didn't help, but I refuse to acknowledge that as an only answer. Teams play sloppy from time to time, for what reason who knows. The brightest of athletic stars play bad games. If this wasn't the case, competition wouldn't exist because the teams with the best stats would never lose, and we'd grow bored. We all know this. So, simply stating the notion that because they lost last year, played a sloppy game, and then throwing generalizations that Big 10 teams cannot hang with other teams, is pure bullshit. Grow up and remove your damned biased shades, all of you.
I make no claims of not being at all biased, but as a student I try to dodge that so that I don't look like a bloody fool. It's already strange enough that here in Columbus, talking of Michigan is like, sin. From NW Ohio, I was used to a three-way split of competition. People in Toledo either liked OSU, Mich, or ND. Some strange people chose other teams, but the point remains. In that environment, I was used to dealing with blind and ignorant Michigan fans, hell I'd say my aunt and uncle were two of those. lol
What I am trying to say is (after a damned tangent), is that I am not blind and ignorant as to my school's team's abilities. I know the Big 10 is weak this year, so sure, a lot of teams in the conference right know couldn't hang with the SEC, but rest assured, I'd venture a guess that OSU could, if they had synergy on the field. I say that, because if you watch ANY OSU game, you'd see, if they are playing with synergy amongst the entire team, and are unified in their efforts, they are damned impressive. Just, with a lot of fresh faces, and new starters, that synergy takes a little time to manifest. You see it with all teams. All.
I just hope for the chance to play another SEC team, that way we can have another shot, hopefully play smart and as good as they can, and possibly settle this again. Till then, it's bias against bias. Until the score is settled with a game, you'll never settle amongst fans of the different conferences.
oh and hell, if USC didn't play sloppy when they played UCLA last year, Florida wouldn't have even seen the chance to come to the NC game, and maybe none of this would have been an issue, given a difference opponent. Could have still played sloppy too. Who knows. Fact is, sloppy games happen, and usually at the worst moment. With USC, one sloppy game ruined their year. (overrated anyhow, but whatever)
Hell, watch LSU and Oregon play sloppy and lose and throw away a chance. Maybe OSU will play sloppy against Illinois or Michigan, and throw their chance away? Some regular season is left, and the way it has shaped up thus far, 'guaranteed' predictions should be the last thing anyone even utters. I refuse to, just because thats when I know I'll eat my words. I just hope for the chance to make all of you eat yours.
(damn this was a wordy post)
just to be clear--last years destruction was a "sloppy" game, and that's all? You honestly think OSU had the speed, or talent, to win that game?
usually? you mean once?
are you jon crack? Tom Brady's offense and Charles Woodsons defense? Woodson was so good he was the first (and only) defensive player to ever get the Heisman. Brady went on to be a pro-bowler. Michigan would have ate Nebraska alive in 97. Where in the F do you come up with this "not a single objective person" crap?
Ahh, so when teams you dont like win, they arent legitimate? pfft, talk about fanboi-ism. OSU was hardly handed the tile in 2002, they werent even supposed to be close remember? They ended regulation tied, they smacked the sh!t out of Miami all game, QB Ken Dorsey hadnt been sacked all year then OSU sacks him like 4 times in the first half. OSU defense was on fire. Miami's destiny was in thier own hands, they had 3 downs at the 2 yard line and couldn't handle the OSU defense to end the game.
Want to know the scary part? OSU's 2002 team is pathetic compared to this years team. Offense and Defense are both way better. Even scarier, last years offense, Troy Smith, Teddy Ginn, Anthony Gonzales, Antonio Pittman.... all gone... and replaced by a bunch of 1st year starters who are actually doing better, more consistent, more balanced. Brian Robiskie was practically bred to be a wideout, his dad (Dolphins WR coach) has trained him since he could walk. Just look at some of his freak catches this year. And yes, he's got speed. And unlinke last years team, they dont already have a championship ring.
Tom Brady being a pro-bowler now does not make him awesome then. I could argue all other succeeding Michigan starters were better.
Nebraska's smashmouth power option football (R.I.P). would have destroyed Michigan. not a single person outside of ann arbor would believe otherwise
I'm a Michigan hater more than anybody. But if you want to talk smashmouth, look at the size of those lines. Michigan had bigger players than Nebraska had been pushing around all year. Nebraska never faced a defense half as good as Michigans that year.
And if you look at the polls, Michigan was #1 in BOTH of them for the last 4 weeks of the regular season. The USA Today poll decided to give Nebraska a share of the title after the bowls, not the other way around.
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yup, the coaches gave it to osborne as a going away present. if anything it was nebraska that stole the split title, not the other way around.
and if that was ok, then someone should have given penn state a share of the title in 1994.
This is a common misconception by those that don't understand what a tard of a coach Lloyd is. Had he any sense and was able to recognize talent he surely would have started Brady as soon as he got on campus.
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