BCS standings released, 11/04/2007

[sciencewhiz]

1 Ohio State 10-0 0.9949
2 LSU 8-1 0.9411
3 Oregon 8-1 0.9180
4 Kansas 9-0 0.8431
5 Oklahoma 8-1 0.8393
6 Missouri 8-1 0.7431
7 West Virginia 7-1 0.7419
8 Boston College 8-1 0.6980
9 Arizona St 8-1 0.6932
10 Georgia 7-2 0.6075
11 Virginia Tech 7-2 0.5645
12 Michigan 8-2 0.4916
13 Connecticut 8-1 0.4637
14 Texas 8-2 0.4399
15 Florida 6-3 0.4015
16 Hawaii 8-0 0.3772
17 Southern California 7-2 0.3759
18 Auburn 7-3 0.3308
19 Virginia 8-2 0.2749
20 Boise St 8-1 0.2333
21 Clemson 7-2 0.2288
22 Alabama 6-3 0.1669
23 Penn State 7-3 0.1243
24 Tennessee 6-3 0.1049
25 Kentucky 6-3 0.0911

There are 3 Big 12, 2 SEC, 2 Pac 10, 1 Big 10, 1 ACC, and 1 Big East team in the top 10.

 

[destrekor]

Michigan is #12. :shocked:
maybe with another win next week, they'll crack the top 10. Will make for a great game Nov 17.

Wisconsin vs OSU was definitely a great game to watch yesterday, however, OSU played terribly the first 3 quarters of the game, and only seemed to get their act together in the last quarter. Then they were able to force a couple nice fumbles with some great hits. Game was nerve racking with OSU playing so bad, hopefully that's the last time we see them play that way.

 

[tfinch2]

I thought the Big XII was down this year? :roll:

 

[ctark]

Everybody likes to say the big 12 is down because a lot of the traditional powers in the north arent elite teams anymore. We are going through a transition. Much like the SEC we beat up on each other and it makes us look weaker. I think the SEC, Pac 10, and Big 12 are all about the same. Big 10 is a distant fourth.

 

[calvinbiss]

Big 12 FTW. Texas will win out and end up in top ten

 

[LS20]

even though my team texas is in the shitters (blind fans will tell you otherwise), i love this season. cant wait for a resurgent mich to play osu. big 12 conf championship should be interesting. and of course lsu will provide more close-call entertainment

 

[SuperSix]

My USF Bulls were not the real deal.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: calvinbiss
Big 12 FTW. Texas will win out and end up in top ten

i love em man but breaking off a lucky run vs nebraska and oklahoma state isnt cause for confidence. the texas football website i read had readers going bonkers over the win at isu... they were excited for playing well against THE worst team in the conference. this isnt texas standards, and changes need to be made.. starting with this greg davis fellow...

 

[txrandom]

Texas A&M is just frantastic right now. We are looking forward to the resignation or firing of Fran. He doesn't care about the program and is purposely driving it down the gutter.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: LS20
even though my team texas is in the shitters (blind fans will tell you otherwise), i love this season. cant wait for a resurgent mich to play osu. big 12 conf championship should be interesting. and of course lsu will provide more close-call entertainment

yea I'm in the same boat. I'll be the first to readily admit that OSU does not have a technically challenging schedule, but it's far from weak. The thing with the Big 10 is, there is always a lot of small rivalries. Next week, the Illibuck will be on the line again (wooden idol thing that is the prize for the victor of the Illinois vs OSU games, for like what, the past 80 years). And Wisconsin, prior to this season, had defeated OSU the past 3 of the 4 games, and the last 3 times at home. And in 2004 (the last time OSU played Wisconsin) they danced on the Block O in the middle of the field after their victory. So that kind of thing, even if the school isn't good, kind of introduces a lot of animosity and gets the players riled up. Makes for a great game.

Big 10 games are almost always enjoyable to watch because there are a lot of history between different teams. I'm sure that happens a lot in every conference, so no biggie. But it seems to define the Big 10.
But yea, defined by stats, the Big 10 hasn't been as strong the past few years as it used to be.

 

[AZGamer]

I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they're good; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

8 Boston College 8-1 0.6980
9 Arizona St 8-1 0.6932

This is just stupid. BC should have dropped farther considering they lost to an unranked 5-3 team. They definitely shouldn't be ranked higher than ASU who lost to a 5th ranked 7-1 team.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they don't play anybody noteworthy; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy .

Fixed. I just did a quick look at the Ohio St. schedule. The teams they've played thus far combined are an impress 47-50. Nice schedule. Rounding out the top 3 LSU and Oregon's opponents have gone 50-34 and 49-32 respectively. See, these two teams have actually played a real schedule

Ohio St isn't going to finish unbeaten, though. Once they actually have to play a real team at Michigan they'll lose.

 

[bctbct]

My KU dream team is still going strong! :thumbsup:

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they don't play anybody noteworthy; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy .

Fixed. I just did a quick look at the Ohio St. schedule. The teams they've played thus far combined are an impress 47-50. Nice schedule. Rounding out the top 3 LSU and Oregon's opponents have gone 50-34 and 49-32 respectively. See, these two teams have actually played a real schedule

Ohio St isn't going to finish unbeaten, though. Once they actually have to play a real team at Michigan they'll lose.

Tougher schedules? sure, but that hardly makes them any better. Both lost to overrated 3 loss teams. Penn State and Wisonsin arent real teams? Thats pretty funny, I'd take either over Kentucky or Cal.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they don't play anybody noteworthy; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy .

Fixed. I just did a quick look at the Ohio St. schedule. The teams they've played thus far combined are an impress 47-50. Nice schedule. Rounding out the top 3 LSU and Oregon's opponents have gone 50-34 and 49-32 respectively. See, these two teams have actually played a real schedule

Ohio St isn't going to finish unbeaten, though. Once they actually have to play a real team at Michigan they'll lose.

Tougher schedules? sure, but that hardly makes them any better. Both lost to overrated 3 loss teams. Penn State and Wisonsin arent real teams? Thats pretty funny, I'd take either over Kentucky or Cal.

My bad, Penn State and Wisconsin are powerhouses.

First, Penn State, who has padded their record playing juggernauts like Florida International, Notre Dame, and Buffalo. Yet, they've only managed to go 4-3 in a weak Big 10 so far.

And then there's Wisconsin who's played exactly 1 ranked team all year, who they of course lost to. A loss which pushed them to 3-3 in the weak Big 10.

Dynastic teams to be sure.

On the other hand, Cal and Kentucky have each played, and beaten more ranked teams than Wisconsin and Penn State combined. I get that you're a Big 10 honk but at least try to be objective.

 

[meltdown75]

Go Blue.... what a comeback... had to listen to the 4th quarter on the radio on the way to a highschool commencement ceremony...

...and a former Wolverine makes a 4th quarter comeback on the big stage

 

[Juno]

Originally posted by: SuperSix
My USF Bulls were not the real deal.

so were my rutgers.

 

[touchmyichi]

Originally posted by: Juno

Originally posted by: SuperSix
My USF Bulls were not the real deal.

so were my rutgers.

so were my bears

Oh well, Quack quack! *hops on Oregon bandwagon*

A few problems-
- How is Florida so high? I know the SEC is competitive, but come on 3 losses is 3 losses.
- Michigan lost 39-7 at home and got beat by a I-AA school (a team who has racked up losses in even I-AA play this year). If pollsters are going to take the entire season into account, this should certainly be weighed very negatively. USC (lost to stanford, but was actually competitive against Oregon at Oregon), Uconn, texas and hawaii should all be higher.
- I agree w/ someone else here, ASU should be above BC. ASU had a much more difficult game.

Besides that, I think I agree with 1-7, everything looks about right there.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they don't play anybody noteworthy; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy .

Fixed. I just did a quick look at the Ohio St. schedule. The teams they've played thus far combined are an impress 47-50. Nice schedule. Rounding out the top 3 LSU and Oregon's opponents have gone 50-34 and 49-32 respectively. See, these two teams have actually played a real schedule

Ohio St isn't going to finish unbeaten, though. Once they actually have to play a real team at Michigan they'll lose.

ugh, sickening. i hate people who are so damned biased and blind. wow, because you think OSU hasn't played tough teams, they are guaranteed to lose?
I make no predictions (other than the hopeful wish of OSU will win, because well, as a student that's natural), but I certainly expect a close and tough game, as always, because that's how the OSU v Michigan games are.
I see no reason why OSU can't walk out of Ann Arbor with an undefeated season, but it will only be after a tough nailbiting game. But I don't straight out say 'yea, we're gonna win. nobody can topple OSU'.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they don't play anybody noteworthy; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy .

Fixed. I just did a quick look at the Ohio St. schedule. The teams they've played thus far combined are an impress 47-50. Nice schedule. Rounding out the top 3 LSU and Oregon's opponents have gone 50-34 and 49-32 respectively. See, these two teams have actually played a real schedule

Ohio St isn't going to finish unbeaten, though. Once they actually have to play a real team at Michigan they'll lose.

Tougher schedules? sure, but that hardly makes them any better. Both lost to overrated 3 loss teams. Penn State and Wisonsin arent real teams? Thats pretty funny, I'd take either over Kentucky or Cal.

My bad, Penn State and Wisconsin are powerhouses.

First, Penn State, who has padded their record playing juggernauts like Florida International, Notre Dame, and Buffalo. Yet, they've only managed to go 4-3 in a weak Big 10 so far.

And then there's Wisconsin who's played exactly 1 ranked team all year, who they of course lost to. A loss which pushed them to 3-3 in the weak Big 10.

Dynastic teams to be sure.

On the other hand, Cal and Kentucky have each played, and beaten more ranked teams than Wisconsin and Penn State combined. I get that you're a Big 10 honk but at least try to be objective.

Heh, you must have not follow big 10 much. If Cal is so strong, why they lost 3 in a roll and beat a sh!tty Washington st. by 3? and if Kentucky is so good, why they lost to unranked Miss. State, and not by a couple of points I might add.

It's not about playing 1 or 2 powerhouse, big 10 is about playing quality teams that has the ability to upset people on any given Sat, every single week during conference schedule. You look at Michigan St. that's at the bottom of big ten, they played every team competitively, and kicked ND's butt which beat UCLA that's top 4 in Pac10. The only team that's not competitive this year is Minnesota, everyone else is dangerous, unlike some other league, outside of top 3 or 4, everyone else is not that good, well, with the exception of SEC which is really strong this year. Big 10 team don't need a tough out of conf. schedule cause the conference is tough enough as it is. Other conference is the other way, they know their conf. sucks so they need good out of conf. schedule to boost their ranking. That's just the way it is, ppl who knows football knows that, and only people who never seen a big 10 football team don't understand it.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they don't play anybody noteworthy; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy .

Fixed. I just did a quick look at the Ohio St. schedule. The teams they've played thus far combined are an impress 47-50. Nice schedule. Rounding out the top 3 LSU and Oregon's opponents have gone 50-34 and 49-32 respectively. See, these two teams have actually played a real schedule

Ohio St isn't going to finish unbeaten, though. Once they actually have to play a real team at Michigan they'll lose.

Tougher schedules? sure, but that hardly makes them any better. Both lost to overrated 3 loss teams. Penn State and Wisonsin arent real teams? Thats pretty funny, I'd take either over Kentucky or Cal.

My bad, Penn State and Wisconsin are powerhouses.

First, Penn State, who has padded their record playing juggernauts like Florida International, Notre Dame, and Buffalo. Yet, they've only managed to go 4-3 in a weak Big 10 so far.

And then there's Wisconsin who's played exactly 1 ranked team all year, who they of course lost to. A loss which pushed them to 3-3 in the weak Big 10.

Dynastic teams to be sure.

On the other hand, Cal and Kentucky have each played, and beaten more ranked teams than Wisconsin and Penn State combined. I get that you're a Big 10 honk but at least try to be objective.

Heh, you must have not follow big 10 much. If Cal is so strong, why they lost 3 in a roll and beat a sh!tty Washington st. by 3? and if Kentucky is so good, why they lost to unranked Miss. State, and not by a couple of points I might add.

It's not about playing 1 or 2 powerhouse, big 10 is about playing quality teams that has the ability to upset people on any given Sat, every single week during conference schedule. You look at Michigan St. that's at the bottom of big ten, they played every team competitively, and kicked ND's butt which beat UCLA that's top 4 in Pac10. The only team that's not competitive this year is Minnesota, everyone else is dangerous, unlike some other league, outside of top 3 or 4, everyone else is not that good, well, with the exception of SEC which is really strong this year. Big 10 team don't need a tough out of conf. schedule cause the conference is tough enough as it is. Other conference is the other way, they know their conf. sucks so they need good out of conf. schedule to boost their ranking. That's just the way it is, ppl who knows football knows that, and only people who never seen a big 10 football team don't understand it.

Damn, as someone who knows grammar your post gave me a headache.

I'll respond in kind, though. If Michigan, the 2nd ranked team in you conference, is so good why they loss to Appalachian State? If they so good why they get fucking rolled by Oregon? If Ohio St. is so good how come they only able win by 1 touchdown over doormat Michigan St.?

See, you look at the fact that ever in conference game is closely contested as a sign that the conference is strong, while ignoring the fact that this could mean exactly the opposite.

 

[touchmyichi]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they don't play anybody noteworthy; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy .

Fixed. I just did a quick look at the Ohio St. schedule. The teams they've played thus far combined are an impress 47-50. Nice schedule. Rounding out the top 3 LSU and Oregon's opponents have gone 50-34 and 49-32 respectively. See, these two teams have actually played a real schedule

Ohio St isn't going to finish unbeaten, though. Once they actually have to play a real team at Michigan they'll lose.

Tougher schedules? sure, but that hardly makes them any better. Both lost to overrated 3 loss teams. Penn State and Wisonsin arent real teams? Thats pretty funny, I'd take either over Kentucky or Cal.

My bad, Penn State and Wisconsin are powerhouses.

First, Penn State, who has padded their record playing juggernauts like Florida International, Notre Dame, and Buffalo. Yet, they've only managed to go 4-3 in a weak Big 10 so far.

And then there's Wisconsin who's played exactly 1 ranked team all year, who they of course lost to. A loss which pushed them to 3-3 in the weak Big 10.

Dynastic teams to be sure.

On the other hand, Cal and Kentucky have each played, and beaten more ranked teams than Wisconsin and Penn State combined. I get that you're a Big 10 honk but at least try to be objective.

Heh, you must have not follow big 10 much. If Cal is so strong, why they lost 3 in a roll and beat a sh!tty Washington st. by 3? and if Kentucky is so good, why they lost to unranked Miss. State, and not by a couple of points I might add.

It's not about playing 1 or 2 powerhouse, big 10 is about playing quality teams that has the ability to upset people on any given Sat, every single week during conference schedule. You look at Michigan St. that's at the bottom of big ten, they played every team competitively, and kicked ND's butt which beat UCLA that's top 4 in Pac10. The only team that's not competitive this year is Minnesota, everyone else is dangerous, unlike some other league, outside of top 3 or 4, everyone else is not that good, well, with the exception of SEC which is really strong this year. Big 10 team don't need a tough out of conf. schedule cause the conference is tough enough as it is. Other conference is the other way, they know their conf. sucks so they need good out of conf. schedule to boost their ranking. That's just the way it is, ppl who knows football knows that, and only people who never seen a big 10 football team don't understand it.

I could point out that Oregon beat the living crap out of Michigan who is now tied as the big 10 champ. Cal lost 3 in a row as a result of both their falling apart and the fact that they had 3 very hard games. And UCLA is just weird. Seriously, they beat the best teams they've played and lost to the worst ones. They're so bizarrely inconsistent that it has puzzled everyone. They have all the talent they need but are horribly coached, thus the inconsistent play.

I can say the same things about the pac 10 you said about big 10. Look at Washington, currently in last place in Pac 10. They beat Boise State (ranked) and were beating #1 Ohio State for an entire half. And of course, Stanford (aka the worst team in the nation last year) took down USC this year, what does that tell you about parity?

The thing is, any school in a power conference is going to attract great athletes and can be dangerous any given week. Let's look at the real issue instead. The fact that these arguments even exist is because of the screwed BCS system which makes us argue the worth of wins to a team compared to others in another conference. The only possible way to bypass this would be to create a playoff system, making this argument much more irrelevant. Not to be redundant, but this is what it all comes back to.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Heh, you must have not follow big 10 much. If Cal is so strong, why they lost 3 in a roll and beat a sh!tty Washington st. by 3? and if Kentucky is so good, why they lost to unranked Miss. State, and not by a couple of points I might add.

It's not about playing 1 or 2 powerhouse, big 10 is about playing quality teams that has the ability to upset people on any given Sat, every single week during conference schedule. You look at Michigan St. that's at the bottom of big ten, they played every team competitively, and kicked ND's butt which beat UCLA that's top 4 in Pac10. The only team that's not competitive this year is Minnesota, everyone else is dangerous, unlike some other league, outside of top 3 or 4, everyone else is not that good, well, with the exception of SEC which is really strong this year. Big 10 team don't need a tough out of conf. schedule cause the conference is tough enough as it is. Other conference is the other way, they know their conf. sucks so they need good out of conf. schedule to boost their ranking. That's just the way it is, ppl who knows football knows that, and only people who never seen a big 10 football team don't understand it.

Wait a second, first you say the Cal and Kentucky are weak because they were beaten by lower ranked conference teams, then you say the Big 10 is strong because lower ranked conference teams beat other conference teams. By your own argument, the Pac 10 and SEC are strong as well.

Sagarin has the Big 10 as the 6th best conference, this year, meaning they are last of the BCS conferences.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I predict Hawaii and Ohio State will remain undefeated through the end of the season - Ohio because they're good; Hawaii because they don't play anybody noteworthy.

Ohio State doesn't play anyone noteworthy, either. They're in the Big 10.