Ohio State would have to be 2 spots ahead in the computers for every poll position they trail #2 in the polls. The only chance they'd have is if one of the big east teams is #2 in the polls, and OSU was #3. Any other combination and the computer numbers wouldn't be strong enough to overide the polls.
Ohio State would have to be 2 spots ahead in the computers for every poll position they trail #2 in the polls. The only chance they'd have is if one of the big east teams is #2 in the polls, and OSU was #3. Any other combination and the computer numbers wouldn't be strong enough to overide the polls.
On the contrary, OSU is playing that game at home and thus would be penalized more for losing than Michigan. Now if the game were OSU @ UM it might be different, I just don't see the loser of that game having a legit shot without a fair amount of help.
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
The whole wanting to be #2 in the BCS is just silly, who really wants to lose to OSU when they could possibly win in one of the other 4?
Although I agree about Rutgers. I don't get why people can say WVU or Louiville would be a sure thing if they ran the table, yet Rutgers couldn't be even though they'd have to beat both WVU and Louisville to do so. Although I don't see it happening nor does most anyone else which is understandable as to why they're pretty much already written off.
Rutgers won't go to the National Championship even undefeated b/c of preseason rankings.
They're BigEast just like WVU and Louisville, this isn't a Boise State situation. If you honestly believe WVU or Louisville has a legit shot to get in undefeated then so should Rutgers. It isn't going to happen though, but only because Rutgers isn't going to beat both WVU and Louisville. The situation would be similar to Cal and/or ND with their hopes of beating an undefeated USC (no longer the case with their loss to Oregon State) to help leverage their position into championship spot, but it is Rutgers that could be beating the #3 WVU (or possibly Louisville) instead of ND or Cal beating the #3 USC. Rutgers is 12 in the BCS and ND and Cal are both 9 and 10 respectively, yet Rutgers is undefeated and ND and Cal both have a loss.
Whoever loses Thursday (whether it be WVU or Louisville) is most likely going to drop pretty significantly as the computers hate them (especially WVU, ranked 13), but even still, that would mean Rutgers still gets to play either a #3 WVU or a #3 or 4 Louisville and a still-ranked team of whoever loses. Maybe you don't know this (and I wouldn't be surprised), but Rutgers is actually ranked 8th by the computers, higher than both WVU (13) and Louisville (9). To finish it off, I believe its far easier to sway human votes than computers as people are more focused on the present whereas computers are considering the entire season...how Rutgers can't get in if you believe WVU or Louisville to have a legit shot isn't something I can understand.
Of course this is all just a big fun "what if"; I don't believe Rutgers has a legit shot simply because I believe they'll lose, completely ruining their chances. But IF, and this is a big IF, they go undefeated they certainly have the right to go to the championship if WVU and Louisville have a legit shot of getting in undefeated.
Bold statement. Michigan hasn't looked nearly as impressive as OSU. Michigan's one claim right now is their defeat of ND. IMO, both teams have played a pretty weak schedule, but both have a big win over a big name opponent (ND & texas). The difference is that OSU has been beating their weak foes much more impressively than Michigan. I'm not so sure Michigan is the second best team.
We need a playoff system. Period.
If OSU looses a close game to Michigan, vice versa... both deserving to play for championship.
A one loss Florida or Auburn deserve a shot.
We could go on and on... Put 8, or heck even 16 into a playoff... the games would be SUPER to watch!
...but, sadly, it will never happen. (The winner of the SEC will have played 14 games including bowl game)
If OSU looses a close game to Michigan, vice versa... both deserving to play for championship.
A one loss Florida or Auburn deserve a shot.
We could go on and on... Put 8, or heck even 16 into a playoff... the games would be SUPER to watch!
...but, sadly, it will never happen. (The winner of the SEC will have played 14 games including bowl game)
"Decent" being the key word. I was more contesting the statement that no matter which one wins the UM v OSU match-up that both should still make the championship game. IMO, if UM loses then someone else should get a shot at OSU because there are a fair number of teams that have looked as good or better than UM.
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Yeah I agree, the loser of OSU and Mich will not play in the national title. If you look at the Harris, AP, and USA Today polls the difference between #2 Michigan and #3 WVU is roughly 0.050% points. The difference between #3 and #4 is a huge dropoff, 0.200%. If WVU runs the Big East gambit they should be in the NC, hands down.
The OSU-UM loser has no place in the championship game. The team that loses obviously is not deserving to be #1, so they shouldn't get the chance to play for it again. I see that game as the National Semi-final. Besides, the loser is pretty much guaranteed to play in the Rose Bowl, who will get the Big 10 - Pac 10 (looking like the Cal-USC winner at this point) matchup they love so much.
Rutgers will not go undefeated. No chance at all. I'd be shocked if they keep it close against WVU or UL.
If the winner of WVU-UL goes undefeated, there's really no reason to say that they're not deserving of a chance to play for the NC. If there's only 2 BCS unbeatens, then those teams should always play for the title.
Rutgers will not go undefeated. No chance at all. I'd be shocked if they keep it close against WVU or UL.
If the winner of WVU-UL goes undefeated, there's really no reason to say that they're not deserving of a chance to play for the NC. If there's only 2 BCS unbeatens, then those teams should always play for the title.
I'm basing it on 2004. That year Auburn started the season ranked #17 and went undefeated through the SEC Championship and their bowl game (Sugar Bowl vs Virginia Tech). Rutgers, because they started the season unranked, will not make the BCS Championship game even if undefeated. You can quote me on that.
Agree. However if we had a playoff system and they miraculously won out, would you concede they deserved to win it all? Same argument for a lot of teams that may have lost a game but deserve a shot at the title.
Are the computer formulas public? Can't you extrapolate what can happen if Rutgers/WVU go undefeated?
I don't like OSU, but they are one of the best teams this season. I'm hoping its OSU/Michigan vs Florida. As long as WVU and Notre Dame don't make it I'll be happy (and USC doesn't sneak back in).
How many undefeated teams were there then? Oh, that's right, there were FIVE. How many undefeated teams are there most likely to be this year? 2, maybe 3 at best if you count Boise State again. See this is where your analogy goes out the door, because it would be Boise State that would be more analogous to Auburn, not Rutgers (or any undefeated BigEast team for that matter - they'd be the Oklahoma that gets pounded by the winner of OSU/UM)
It's obvious Boise State isn't going to get in because they don't play anyone, but the BigEast has 3 teams currently in contention in the top 12, of which they don't really play anyone either (although Louisville did demolish Miami), except themselves and that will count for something. If OSU/UM, Rutgers and Boise State all end up undefeated the situation is going to be very different from 2004 when there was even Utah in there who actually dominated their BCS bowl game against Pitt and might have had a say in things along with Auburn.
This isn't a situation where if Florida or Auburn hadn't lost their one loss, and thus either of those teams would clearly be ahead of a potentially undefeated BigEast team, this is a situation where a potentially undefeated BigEast team is most likely going to end up ahead of the now tainted SEC teams - Rutgers included.
But that is the catch, again, I seriously doubt Rutgers going undefeated so chances are this is just going be a fun "what if" memory.
I'm with you man. I agree on pretty much every level on this post. Why would the loser of OSU and Mich play again for the national title even if it is a close game. Therefore the winner of WVU-UL will play for the title if they go undefeated.
Basically this is a playoff...only the #1 and #2 seeds are playing and #3 vs #4, but still.
Oh and I guess Rutgers could throw a monkey wrench in everything but I don't see it happening.
Rutgers nor Louisville would end up infront of Florida even if they roll the table (Louisville would be close). I guarantee you this one. Just look at their SOS, they're in the bottom half of the NCAA in terms of that...Florida is #1 as far as I know. WVU would finish infront of the Gators if they roll the table.
Lol wow...if Florida wins out with the #1 SOS I believe they would deserve that #2 spot. Michigan hasn't played anyone besides a mediocre Notre Dame up to this point. Ohio State would be close with one loss but they still don't top Florida's schedule. If WVU wins out they deserve the #2 spot as well.
I guess you should start your playoff campaign...NOW!
I gotta say as much as I like OSU im rooting for RUTGERS! (Cause I know people who go there lmao)
Keep playing the SOS card, the poll that cares most about that is the computers, of which Rutgers and Louisville rank 8th and 9th respectively, pretty high relative to other teams and with the toughest part of their schedule coming up whereas Florida's schedule is actually winding down (although still not easy), and then there's the fact that both teams are still undefeated and Florida is not.
Rutgers has #3 and #5 teams still on their schedule, Louisville has #3 and #12. Playing your coveted SOS card tells me an undefeated season with such wins is going to trump a 1 loss Flordia.
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