I love under dogs. I also love corn dogs...
However, if Rutgers were somehow able to sneak into an NCG with Ohio State, I want to see Rutgers get a USC-OU-esque curb stomping as part 1 of a 4-part plan.
1) Rutgers gets curb stomped
2) The football public no longer takes gripes from schools that go undefeated with super-weak non-conference schedules seriously
3) The WVUs and Boise States of the college football world are forced to schedule tough non-conference teams
4) Dullard's rankings become much more relevant
in all honesty, no one wants to play Boise St. out of conference, particularly in their building - they have been trying to get a home/home series with some of the top programs, but no one wants to risk playing up there
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
The whole wanting to be #2 in the BCS is just silly, who really wants to lose to OSU when they could possibly win in one of the other 4?
Although I agree about Rutgers. I don't get why people can say WVU or Louiville would be a sure thing if they ran the table, yet Rutgers couldn't be even though they'd have to beat both WVU and Louisville to do so. Although I don't see it happening nor does most anyone else which is understandable as to why they're pretty much already written off.
Rutgers won't go to the National Championship even undefeated b/c of preseason rankings.
I don't agree with that. So a few people will decide who doesn't get to be national champions even before a single play is run? Maybe Rutgers, like Auburn in 2004, is that good? If that's true, then they never even had a shot to begin with.
I know how the BCS rankings work. What I guess I'm saying is that they need to restructure the formula. Have it just be the average of the computer rankings. Remove any and all human bias.
Gibsons
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5) the BCS gets ditched for a playoff system.Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I love under dogs. I also love corn dogs...
However, if Rutgers were somehow able to sneak into an NCG with Ohio State, I want to see Rutgers get a USC-OU-esque curb stomping as part 1 of a 4-part plan.
1) Rutgers gets curb stomped
2) The football public no longer takes gripes from schools that go undefeated with super-weak non-conference schedules seriously
3) The WVUs and Boise States of the college football world are forced to schedule tough non-conference teams
4) Dullard's rankings become much more relevant
Well yeah they play on distracting blue turf and their stadium is small.
No one(outside of the Big 12) wants to do a home/home deal with Texas Tech, that doesnt mean they are good, it just means theres no incentive for people to do it. Texas Tech has an incredibily small stadium for a 1-A school. No major team wants to play here because of that.
There is absolutely no incentive for any major team to play at Boise State. Teams go where the money is, and there is no money in playing at Bosie State.
QFT. Maybe Texas A&M and Boise State should play, we keep getting nonconference games cancelled on us all the time. What's with these schools and cancelling games? We had a game with Florida State in the future cancelled when they started playing an expanded conference schedule in the ACC - that much I understand. But Michigan State just cancelled their future date with us, and nothing changed about the Big 10. I have a feeling that it isn't just isolated to these schools, that this is a common practice in Division I-A. Georgia just had a nonconference game cancelled as well.
SP33Demon
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I think even IF Rutgers gets curb stomped, it won't matter because the Big East is still supposed to be in their "rebuilding" phase anyway. Now that they have proven to be national contenders (WVU's curb stomping of Georgia in the Sugar Bowl started this), they will invariably get offers from much tougher OOC teams as well as better recruiting.Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I love under dogs. I also love corn dogs...
However, if Rutgers were somehow able to sneak into an NCG with Ohio State, I want to see Rutgers get a USC-OU-esque curb stomping as part 1 of a 4-part plan.
1) Rutgers gets curb stomped
2) The football public no longer takes gripes from schools that go undefeated with super-weak non-conference schedules seriously
3) The WVUs and Boise States of the college football world are forced to schedule tough non-conference teams
4) Dullard's rankings become much more relevant
Keep in mind the best team in the Big East, WVU, recruits the rejects from Florida schools (UF, FSU, Miami) as well as Big Ten schools geographically close (Penn State, OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin), Notre Dame, and yes even Maryland. For example, Slaton was a throwaway from Maryland. WVU still plays Maryland every year, they just happen to be sucky this season. They scheduled the instate rivalry with Marshall, which they have nothing to gain from except big $ but the state demanded it. Out of the rest of their 3 OOC games, one is Div II which they do every year for $$, one is from the SEC - Miss State (albeit they suck this year too), and last but not least ECU who they have always played (even since I can remember in 1996) for $$.
So as you can see, the bulk of WVU's OOC foes are mainly because of cash considerations, bigger name programs aren't going to pay the $$ that smaller teams will, especially if there's a good chance that the two schools are not geographically close (and attendance would be crappy) and fans have to travel far. Once you understand the economics of a conference like the Big East that is rebuilding, then it will become much clearer as to why other football powerhouses like Florida State don't want to play smaller Big East teams like WVU: a) financially WVU will not pay them the money that smaller schools will and vice versa, b) they will put their record on the line versus a team with much worse recruiting and hence will almost always be favored (i.e. they have nothing to gain from a competitive standpoint as opposed to scheduling stronger OOC powerhouses who are more on par with their skill level/recruiting), c) if the schools are geographically far from each other, then the game may not even sell out b/c away team's fans may not travel well (although WVU's do). The last point is important because the only OOC powerhouses that are geographically close to WVU are Virginia Tech (who is now off their schedule but may be back on in the future) and Penn State (Jopa won't play WVU because of reason a and b above even though they had a storied rivalry in the past). Tennessee, they probably don't want to do it due to the same reasons as Penn State (I think that could turn into a great rivalry).
To sum up, even if a Big East team makes it to the NC, that will do wonders for the conference as far as recruiting and as a result having strong OOC powerhouses want to put Big East teams on their schedule again and pay as much as smaller schools. The teams in the Big East are having a magical year, but don't forget that the conference as a whole is still in a rebuilding stage and all of them are underdogs when you consider the recruiting that these schools have to work with.
dullard
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I too like underdogs. And I usually root for them. However, there are some teams that are good, are undefeated, but which don't deserve a national championship game. They deserve to be in a playoff, but until we get that, they will have to settle for a good bowl game. Thus, I too would want the items you listed above.Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I love under dogs. I also love corn dogs...
However, if Rutgers were somehow able to sneak into an NCG with Ohio State, I want to see Rutgers get a USC-OU-esque curb stomping as part 1 of a 4-part plan.
1) Rutgers gets curb stomped
2) The football public no longer takes gripes from schools that go undefeated with super-weak non-conference schedules seriously
3) The WVUs and Boise States of the college football world are forced to schedule tough non-conference teams
4) Dullard's rankings become much more relevant
However, I can interpret your #4 to be a positive or a negative comment on my system. I'll pretend it was a positive one.
Florida so far has played a tough schedule, but it is far from the toughest. People might call me Pac-10 biased, but I still feel USC has played the toughest schedule by far. Or look at Minnesota; they've played:
[*]9-0 Ohio St.
[*]9-0 Michigan
[*]8-1 Wisconsin
[*]7-1 California
Heck, their easy game was ND State who's only loss was a 1 point loss to Minnesota.
SP33Demon
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21-0 at the end of the 1st on your opponent's home field turf who were 14 point favorites is pretty much a curb stomping. 382 yards rushing against one of the best run D's in the SEC as well as allowing the opposing freshman running back (who had only played in 5 games that season) to break Tony Dorsett's 1977 Sugar Bowl rushing record is a curb stomping, even though the score was closer at the end.
thraashman
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I was about to disagree with you and question where you get the idea of calling a Louisiana bowl game home field turf for a team from Georgia. Then I remembered that the Georgia Dome hosted the Sugar Bowl last year because of Katrina, so I agree with your post, no complaints.
Being a rabid hoopie, I'm sure this won't make much sense to you but the stats from last year's Sugar Bowl are pretty close:
WVU UGA
1st Downs 27 27
Total Yards 502 501
Passing 120 277
Rushing 382 224
Penalties 9-74 4-50
3rd Down Conversions 7-14 5-10
4th Down Conversions 2-2 1-1
Turnovers 0 3
Possession 35:59 24:01
Anyway, I'm done with you Sp33d...there's no rational thought with you, you're just rapid hoopie from West-By God-Virginia.
Originally posted by: dullard
4) Dullard's rankings become much more relevant
However, I can interpret your #4 to be a positive or a negative comment on my system. I'll pretend it was a positive one.
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Yeah, positive...It's not your fault that WVU doesn't play anyone of note
Perhaps you misunderstand what "curb stomp" means
It's fun that it helps them, but that hardly means they deserve to be in the NCG
SP33Demon
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Statistically you're not telling us anything we don't know. I think UGA's coach summed it up best:
"West Virginia did a heck of a job jumping on us," Richt said. "The only consolation is we didn't lay down and die."
The rest of your post I translated to blah blah blah.
Exactly. If anyone who watched that game doesn't think it was an ass-beating, well, they're retarded. It was ridiculous.
I think what we have here is a problem of "scope." WVU fans across the internet seem to focus on the first quarter (almost always referring to it as some sort of "[noun]-stomping") while most rational fans realize that a full game lasts 4 quarters.
SP33Demon
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You sound like a UGA fan I met last year, "WVU doesn't even belong in the Sugar Bowl to play an SEC Team." Yet you forget, the underdog always has a chance to win whether it's a 14 point spread or 40. Don't write them off so soon, look at what happened in the MLB ALDS when everyone thought the "Murderer's Row plus Canoe" NY Yankees would crush the struggling Detroit Tigers. You see it every year in sports.
I look at the big picture and see how much this year will help vault the Big East back to prominence after the departure of VT, Miami, and BC. Even if they don't pull off an upset and win it all, they will get the publicity. I'm hoping more teams out of the SEC and Big Ten will now put some Big East teams on the future OOC schedules, but we (the fans) probably won't see the results of this year for at least 2 years (most schedules are made years in advance whether you knew it or not).
You're still missing the point.
Yes, they were underdogs, but that fact does not imply a curb stomping.
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