Battlefield 3 not direct x9? Doesn't make any sense

[JumBie]

Why? B/c of the single map we're playing and it's only 32 player currently? I would like to think just the attention to detail placed in the map is much greater than any BC2 map then add lighting, sound, movement, etc...

If you're in it, why do you use the term, 'heard' in your comments? Have you adjusted your settings?

I used the term heard because I didn't know if we were able to discuss the game while in the alpha.

 

[JumBie]

If you're in it, please tell me how you start-up and access the game?

Oh the typical "call out" its a shame I don't take kindly to those remarks and demands. Don't even need to go on further, I can continue to enjoy playing it while those who aren't in it can question the veracity of my claims.

 

[wuliheron]

As of now, the main differences between the console versions are of such:

-Better graphics on pc of course
-PC version gets all maps, but 360 and PS3 gets Small and medium variations of the PC versions maps
-PC=64 players, Console=32 players.

To be honest, these features right here does not help differentiate why the PC version of Battlefield 3 does not support Direct x9.

What all those features explain is that to make it dx 9 compatible for the PC would mean having to cripple its abilities in 64 bit. Not just the smaller maps and fewer players, but also the textures and geometry and physics and everything else would have to be lowered so it would all run on a 32 bit system. They obviously decided to go all out and make the very best 64 bit game they could with no holds barred and I'd buy the game just for pushing the limits of pc graphics.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

You guys put too much emphasis on the graphics. I save my gpu cycles to earn bitcoins and keep my settings on low/med to be more competitive. You guys need to stop being casual gamers and be more hardcore. All that foliage is bad for you. There's people that force bc2 into dx9 mode so there's less distractions.

 

[Capt Caveman]

You guys put too much emphasis on the graphics. I save my gpu cycles to earn bitcoins and keep my settings on low/med to be more competitive. You guys need to stop being casual gamers and be more hardcore. All that foliage is bad for you. There's people that force bc2 into dx9 mode so there's less distractions.

Save that for scrims, matches and league play, for pubbing, I like playing with high settings.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Oh the typical "call out" its a shame I don't take kindly to those remarks and demands. Don't even need to go on further, I can continue to enjoy playing it while those who aren't in it can question the veracity of my claims.

:biggrin:

 

[Zenoth]

By the time we have "a good number" of DX11 games we'll be seeing new effects and features from newer versions of DirectX, it never stops. When DX10 and Vista came out it was too early and because Vista wasn't a new contender OS for PC gaming DX10 never got the launch it should have had, and it went down the drain with Vista's name and image. It's clear that DX9 remained the king for so long primarily because Windows XP also stayed on the throne for that long and beyond (still to this day). So, we got used to DX9, then DX10 "finally arrived" but ended up being almost useless. How many DX10-only games do we have? And I do mean ONLY DX10, not "with DX9 as well". There's MAYBE around 40 to 50 games or so on the PC in which DX10 is "supported", BUT DX9 is always there, how many of those do NOT support DX9 whatsoever? You get the point.

Now, we have DX11, hooray, looks good, SOME developers will make use of it (and perhaps DX10) in their games, if not only using that and not DX9 anymore. Alright, that's cool, thanks to Windows 7 being successful. Then what, Windows 8 and DX12? At which point "DX10/DX11" games ALONG with the hardware will get old, right? It's just history repeating itself. To be honest I can't imagine ANY current or future versions of DirectX being used as widely AND efficiently as DX9 ever again. The technology is moving very fast and Microsoft won't exactly let Windows 7 run for a decade either, nor will Windows 8, and the demand for "better graphics" will always persist even if people think that "with THIS DirectX version there's NO WAY it can get any better, we've just hit the graphics wall!".

And, progress? Really? If developers wanted "progress" they wouldn't bother developing for the current generation of consoles. If BF3's PC version is only DX10 and DX11 then it means less people will buy it because I'm pretty sure that DX9-only hardware owners (and gamers) would be able to run it in great numbers. Taking that into consideration it certainly means that the developers know all too well that despite the PC version "looking better" than the console versions that in the end it will still sell a hundred fold more on consoles. If PC gamers who happen to own consoles know that their DX9 computer won't run it then they'll buy it on the consoles, and THAT isn't going to help things progress whatsoever... BUT they ARE being told "to move on" and receive a warm welcome to the present. Well yeah, they have to upgrade their damn hardware first, and they WOULD do that IF the damn game would NOT be available on a platform they might already own. If not then they would just get out and go buy a 360 or a PS3 for much cheaper and still end up playing the game, would THAT be "progress" for PC gaming?

If hardware and technology "progress" is to REALLY happen then it has to be forced, not "attempted" with a few popular and big name games from time to time. If we are to see real progress and the rapid decline of DirectX 9 then Microsoft needs to release a Windows that will NOT support DX9 hardware and on which NO DX9 games would ever be able to run what-so-ever, even by emulation. That, and new consoles HAVE to come out! Screw the Wii U, Nintendo ain't in the wagon with that one, let the kids play more Mario games if they want. What we need is Microsoft and Sony to stop milking the 360 and the PS3 dry to the bones and released a damn 720 or 1080 or whatever name they come up with and a PlayStation 4. And THEN we would start seeing real progress towards DX11 and the future versions.

In my opinion developers themselves shouldn't try to change the gaming world, they SHOULD support DX9 for Battlefield 3, as well as including their beloved DX11 in there if they want to. If they want to make money (and they do!) they need to go fish where the fishes bite. Let the platforms themselves drive the future of the APIs, not the games.

/2 cents

 

[Nintendesert]

You can keep those 2 cents. That was a little wacky.

 

[Rifter]

People need to get a grip on reality here.

XP is dead, DX 9 is dead. If you want to cling to a 10 year old OS then play 10 year old games.

If you want to play modern games get a modern GPU and a modern OS, its that simple.

Im very happy that they are finally forcing people to let go of XP.

 

[jordanecmusic]

wow, did people get really get offended in this discussion? btw i edited my original post to say that I do have a card that supports direct x 10. What I meant by the original post by the way, is how is the 360 and ps3 getting BF3 if they don't even support direct x 10.

 

[jordanecmusic]

BFBC2 was optimized for quad-core CPUs already so that's pretty much given.

Did he just say optimized?

 

[minmaster]

the latest dx tech they are using isnt very compatible with their fb engine. we saw this in BC2 where DX9 had no AA support due to deferred shading.

i think its the right decision to move forward and stop trying to support old dying techs.

they did something similar when BF2 came out which left a lot of people out by requiring shader model of certain version.

although it is weird that ppl are saying the consoles are dx9 anyways.

 

[PingSpike]

I think developers should just use OpenGL since it works on all operating systems. Why limit your sales?

 

[-Slacker-]

That's fine with me.

 

[Rhezuss]

Efffff it!

What is it with you people!!!

An expected game release with DX9 support and you cry...than another game release with only DX10/11 and you still cry?!?!??

What do you need? Nows the time to tell what you want and quiet your whining forever...

Damn...

 

[pontifex]

damnit, i don't know why no one makes games for the Tandy 1000 any more?

 

[SHARTATTACK]

damnit, i don't know why no one makes games for the Tandy 1000 any more?

Space Quest FTW!

 

[gorcorps]

Efffff it!

What is it with you people!!!

An expected game release with DX9 support and you cry...than another game release with only DX10/11 and you still cry?!?!??

What do you need? Nows the time to tell what you want and quiet your whining forever...

Damn...

PC gamers will whine about anything. It's as inevitable as the tides and death. Nobody's ever happy with anything and everything sucks.

 

[AFurryReptile]

If they want to make money (and they do!) they need to go fish where the fishes bite.

They are. It's called DX11.

Steam stats for some perspective.

 

[paperfist]

Finally lets get back to business and seperate real PC gamers from the kiddy pron consolers!

Can I get an amen Dice!?!?

 

[OCNewbie]

They are. It's called DX11.

Steam stats for some perspective.

Don't think I've ever seen those stats. Very cool! Thanks for sharing!

 

[Golgatha]

If you video card can't run DX10 or better, it probably can't run this game period anyway.

 

[wuliheron]

First rock-n-roll music and now dx 11. The younger generation is going to hell in a handbasket.

Reminds me of a cuniform tablet that was dated to about a 100 years after the invention of writing. The author complained that the new invention of writing was ruining the younger generation who no longer bothered to memorize everything.

 

[CVSiN]

I kind of have to agree with the OP on this one. If it can run on 2005 console hardware that uses dx9 or openGL then it should be able to run (maybe not looking great) on dx9 cards. It probably just isn't worth the development effort in their estimation to do so.

it is being dumbed down across the boards for it to run on consoles..

I for 1 will NEVER play a tier 1 shooter on a damn console.
and i'm tired of crappy consoles setting the pace for my 3000 dollar gaming rig.

I am so glad they are doing this on PC from the get go.. taking full advantage of my SLI GTX 580s and my PHYSX card.

 

[shortylickens]

Out of all the reasons for me to not get this game, lack of DX9 support is a very minor issue.
My XP gaming rig plays all the games I want mostly cuz the new stuff isnt worth upgrading for.