Thats gonna kill your eyes...stretch your arm out ahead from where you are sitting, thats the recommended distance you should be from the monitor.
Thats gonna kill your eyes...stretch your arm out ahead from where you are sitting, thats the recommended distance you should be from the monitor.
The CPU fan is the one that came in the retail box from Intel (Gasp!). Think it would help out a lot to get that Zalman? If so I will pick one up. Thanks.
As far as the monitor thing goes. Its like 3 feet away but I find myself hunched over a lot getting closed to the screen when I am in an intense battle. Thanks!
As far as the monitor thing goes. Its like 3 feet away but I find myself hunched over a lot getting closed to the screen when I am in an intense battle. Thanks!
a new PSU would not solve the problem, low FPS would be unrelated to the PSU. Random lockups and restarts as someone said would be indicative of the PSU. Your only possiblities are memory (if it isn't pc3200) or the processor. Battlefield 2 is a very demanding game and even with a A64 3800+ at your settings your looking at about 45FPS or so.
I didn't say "Get a Zalman to fix your problem"
I said check it out. Download Everest Home Edition, run something like Prime95, and see if the CPU temperature gets pretty high. I don't have a new P4 but I think they start to throttle over 70C.
Of course the motherboard could be reporting an incorrect temperature but I believe Everest will be able to show you your current CPU clock speed - if you see it start to drop when it gets hot then you know that you need a much better HSF. The CNPS7700-Cu from Zalman seems to be a pretty popular HSF on these boards, however if space is limited around your CPU it may not fit due to the huge 120mm fan.
I know that CPU puts out a LOT of heat so I am not sure if the retail HSF would be enough for it.
I said check it out. Download Everest Home Edition, run something like Prime95, and see if the CPU temperature gets pretty high. I don't have a new P4 but I think they start to throttle over 70C.
Of course the motherboard could be reporting an incorrect temperature but I believe Everest will be able to show you your current CPU clock speed - if you see it start to drop when it gets hot then you know that you need a much better HSF. The CNPS7700-Cu from Zalman seems to be a pretty popular HSF on these boards, however if space is limited around your CPU it may not fit due to the huge 120mm fan.
I know that CPU puts out a LOT of heat so I am not sure if the retail HSF would be enough for it.
Just a thought...when you come here asking for help, don't be an asshole to everyone who tells you the problem. Okay?
Intel sucks for gaming. Get over it.
Factor in an AGP graphics card, and extremely high resolutions, and you will get 15fps.
Intel sucks for gaming. Get over it.
Factor in an AGP graphics card, and extremely high resolutions, and you will get 15fps.
Well, your system is plenty fast enough to run the game fine, but 16x12 with everything at high might just be too much.
Try setting everything to medium settings, especially the audio setting as this is a real hog of system resources. That should give a lagre increase in FPS.
One thing you must realize is that BF2 is unlike any other game to date. In the past, a fast processor with 1 GB system RAM and a high-end VC would run any game at high settings at 16x12 resolution. BF2 has changes that slightly. You now really need 2 GB system RAM (which I realize you have), and ultra high-end card (such as the 7800 GTX or 6800U's in SLI), and an extreme processor (like the AMD FX series).
That being said, you still have some things you can try that very well may improve performance. The first thing I would try is making sure I have the latest chipset drivers for my MB. This can actaully make a huge difference in performance. For my MB, I first used the drivers that came with it and I scored about 8500 on 3D Mark03. After installing the updated chipset drivers from the chipset makers site (not the MB makers site), my score increased to about 11300. That's about a 30% increase in performance from nothing more than new drivers. I know very little about Intel based chipsets, but check this out to be certain.
BTW, just ignore the first two guys who replied. Even though this is most definitely a pro AMD site, most of us here can actually give unbiased help/advice without screaming "just buy AMD" in every post.
Try setting everything to medium settings, especially the audio setting as this is a real hog of system resources. That should give a lagre increase in FPS.
One thing you must realize is that BF2 is unlike any other game to date. In the past, a fast processor with 1 GB system RAM and a high-end VC would run any game at high settings at 16x12 resolution. BF2 has changes that slightly. You now really need 2 GB system RAM (which I realize you have), and ultra high-end card (such as the 7800 GTX or 6800U's in SLI), and an extreme processor (like the AMD FX series).
That being said, you still have some things you can try that very well may improve performance. The first thing I would try is making sure I have the latest chipset drivers for my MB. This can actaully make a huge difference in performance. For my MB, I first used the drivers that came with it and I scored about 8500 on 3D Mark03. After installing the updated chipset drivers from the chipset makers site (not the MB makers site), my score increased to about 11300. That's about a 30% increase in performance from nothing more than new drivers. I know very little about Intel based chipsets, but check this out to be certain.
BTW, just ignore the first two guys who replied. Even though this is most definitely a pro AMD site, most of us here can actually give unbiased help/advice without screaming "just buy AMD" in every post.
i would try to go about getting a stronger psu. though intel proc's arent nearly as good as amd for gaming, your fps still shouldnt be that low. seems like you may not have enough juice flowing throughout your system.
i will second the CPU throttling. Stock cooler isnt "that" great esp when you have less than ideal ambient temperature (if that is the case). Try running a benchmark that maxes your cpu and check your cpu speed at the same time to see if you do indeed get thermal throttling when the cpu is loaded.
GO BUY AMDD!!!!! AMD WOOT WOOT!!!
Or not, there are still some application that an Intel proc with HT will outdo a AMD Athlon64, not in games, but there are some applications. Now personally I own 3 AMD cpus but whatever.
Now, there is a huge possibility it's your ram. Google CPUZ download the client and go see what memory your running. Clock on proc, what the L2 is set at etc. Make sure it's showing everything right.
#2 Heat probe at the CPU (Mobos are quite often wrong, and if you use a program that still detects the heat using the mobo's probe, quite often they are still wrong)
PS: What heat transfer medium are you using? Ceramic, grease, pad, AS5?
#3 - Case fans??? Please say you have some with that firestarter in there.
#4 - Like some of the others said, upto-date drivers make a HUGE difference.
#5 - I upgraded to the Audigy plat 2zs and saw a performance increase, good buy
Remember heat can cause a lot of problems, resolve these by upgradeing case fans and haveing a good cpu cooler.
And last but not least, upgrade that psu. THe psu in a unit is NOT the place to skimp. If it goes it can take you mobo, vid card etc with it. Go get something more in the range of at least 400watts. I'd go 500.
Last go have fun with a real game like CS:S haha just kidding, but come drop in at the CS anandtech server if ya want!!
Or not, there are still some application that an Intel proc with HT will outdo a AMD Athlon64, not in games, but there are some applications. Now personally I own 3 AMD cpus but whatever.
Now, there is a huge possibility it's your ram. Google CPUZ download the client and go see what memory your running. Clock on proc, what the L2 is set at etc. Make sure it's showing everything right.
#2 Heat probe at the CPU (Mobos are quite often wrong, and if you use a program that still detects the heat using the mobo's probe, quite often they are still wrong)
PS: What heat transfer medium are you using? Ceramic, grease, pad, AS5?
#3 - Case fans??? Please say you have some with that firestarter in there.
#4 - Like some of the others said, upto-date drivers make a HUGE difference.
#5 - I upgraded to the Audigy plat 2zs and saw a performance increase, good buy
Remember heat can cause a lot of problems, resolve these by upgradeing case fans and haveing a good cpu cooler.
And last but not least, upgrade that psu. THe psu in a unit is NOT the place to skimp. If it goes it can take you mobo, vid card etc with it. Go get something more in the range of at least 400watts. I'd go 500.
Last go have fun with a real game like CS:S haha just kidding, but come drop in at the CS anandtech server if ya want!!
Funny, there are plenty of others with similar setups running 50fps. But thanks for showing how biased you are towards AMD.
Now here's some advice for you. Take your AMD and stick it where the sun dont shine.
Hello, you are running at 1600x, at that res, the CPU is less importent and it's mostly GPU dependent.
If you go AMD, you will notice a slight incress in performance but not as much as if you were playing at 1280x etc.
It may be a PSU issue,
Another member in the Video forum post that his X850XT(I think) had huge fps drops like you, he updated the psu and it worked fine.
This was like last week.
I agree, these people reccomending AMD are being idiots, you have to see if theres anything wrong with the system first before you go out spending cash.
They're plently of people running BF2 on similer specs then you.
Powersupply is my guess.
The Vid card may be over heating too, as well as the cpu.
Check all your temps, rails, run prime95, memtest, 3dmark (loop tests for 20-30 min, scan for artifacts, etc)
Make sure all drivers are installed, a lot of people forget chipset drivers.
If you go AMD, you will notice a slight incress in performance but not as much as if you were playing at 1280x etc.
It may be a PSU issue,
Another member in the Video forum post that his X850XT(I think) had huge fps drops like you, he updated the psu and it worked fine.
This was like last week.
I agree, these people reccomending AMD are being idiots, you have to see if theres anything wrong with the system first before you go out spending cash.
They're plently of people running BF2 on similer specs then you.
Powersupply is my guess.
The Vid card may be over heating too, as well as the cpu.
Check all your temps, rails, run prime95, memtest, 3dmark (loop tests for 20-30 min, scan for artifacts, etc)
Make sure all drivers are installed, a lot of people forget chipset drivers.
Just ignore these fanboys that don't have a clue. Replying to them just eggs them on. Anandtech has been pretty good these days for not having the fanboys everywhere. People recommend AMD for gaming rigs but there is nothing wrong with your CPU. Just please give me some numbers from Everest running Prime95 torture test! I really really think it is throttling.
Hey pardon my ignorance but arent Prime95 and Everest 2 seperate programs? Which would you like me to post?
Your CPU SuXxOrZ!! that's the problem, it's the biggest bottleneck.
GO AMD!!!!!!!
EDIT: oh yeah and AGP doesn't help at all.
GO AMD!!!!!!!
EDIT: oh yeah and AGP doesn't help at all.
Gamingphreek
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AMD will improve your framerate, but not by too much. You have a fairly old processor, which takes a lot of power and releases a lot of heat. YOu may want to consider making the switch. The difference will be noticable however, it will not be like night and day while you are playing such a Video card intensive game.
Your PSU will not cause the game to run slow. Only if the card begins to throttle downwards (which it isn't doing) would i suspect PSU or heat.
Your Video card is not the best for playing BF2 however you should be doing better. YOu are really being bottlenecked by your motherboard and processor. An X850 should be pulling at least 50fps on avg dipping to half that maybe.
Turn your AGP aperture down. BF2 is not going to need more than 256mb of memory if it does 128mb will be perfectly fine for aperture.
To find the speed of your RAM simply look in your BIOS. It will same RAM Clock Frequency or something similiar. With 2gig i assume you are running Dual Channel (2 Sticks in 2 banks that are different colors/channels). Additionally with the P4 you will definitely want PC3200 or even OCed RAM because the P4 is so bottlenecked.
-Kevin
Edit: I wasn't aware that the X850XT was made in AGP. Are you sure you dont mean the X800XT or something.
Your PSU will not cause the game to run slow. Only if the card begins to throttle downwards (which it isn't doing) would i suspect PSU or heat.
Your Video card is not the best for playing BF2 however you should be doing better. YOu are really being bottlenecked by your motherboard and processor. An X850 should be pulling at least 50fps on avg dipping to half that maybe.
Turn your AGP aperture down. BF2 is not going to need more than 256mb of memory if it does 128mb will be perfectly fine for aperture.
To find the speed of your RAM simply look in your BIOS. It will same RAM Clock Frequency or something similiar. With 2gig i assume you are running Dual Channel (2 Sticks in 2 banks that are different colors/channels). Additionally with the P4 you will definitely want PC3200 or even OCed RAM because the P4 is so bottlenecked.
-Kevin
Edit: I wasn't aware that the X850XT was made in AGP. Are you sure you dont mean the X800XT or something.
Gamingphreek
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You are one of the people who starts flamewars by posting crap like that. Shut up and stop trolling.
-Kevin
Thanks for the tips. I am absolutely 100% sure it is an x850xtpe in an AGP slot. I bought it from newegg about a month ago.
Here is the link
Gamingphreek
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Ah. Ok, i must be thinking of the X800XTPE which is only PCI-E. The X800XT and the X850XTPE are both.
-Kevin
-Kevin
Thanks. I didnt realize the Intel has THAT MUCH of a bottleneck.
Anyways, about the throttling. I am going to run that prime95 torture test and select the second option. How long with that take? Are you sure it is not throttling? I swear it may just be my imagination but it does seem to slow down the longer I play, even though I have the GPU fan set to 100%.
Anyways, about the throttling. I am going to run that prime95 torture test and select the second option. How long with that take? Are you sure it is not throttling? I swear it may just be my imagination but it does seem to slow down the longer I play, even though I have the GPU fan set to 100%.
Gamingphreek
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Not necessarily that you have an Intel chip, although AMD does have a fair lead in Gaming as well as most other apps (aside from Multi-Taskign (which you should go dual core anyway) and Intel still has a slight lead in Intel Optimized Encoding/Decoding), you just have a much older Intel chip.
If it gets slower the longer you play it leads me to believe that you are having software trouble. If it was throttling you would see an immediate huge drop in framerate. I doubt that it is happening.
What programs do you have running in the background. Also run a Spyware and Adware scan (Microsofts Anti-Spyware is actually very good; and its free). Also run a virus scanner.
As for the P95 test. You select how long you wish for it to run. Usually people consider there computer rock solid after a good 24 hours, but i only usually run it for a couple hours (~4).
-Kevin
If it gets slower the longer you play it leads me to believe that you are having software trouble. If it was throttling you would see an immediate huge drop in framerate. I doubt that it is happening.
What programs do you have running in the background. Also run a Spyware and Adware scan (Microsofts Anti-Spyware is actually very good; and its free). Also run a virus scanner.
As for the P95 test. You select how long you wish for it to run. Usually people consider there computer rock solid after a good 24 hours, but i only usually run it for a couple hours (~4).
-Kevin
Ahh ok well I have run adaware and spybot, looks pretty clean. I run Norton antivirus. Not many programs open during game besides teamspeak and ATITool.
Anyways, I'll run that test tonight when I go to bed and post the results in the morning. Do I just copy the messages from the main screen and post them here?
Anyways, I'll run that test tonight when I go to bed and post the results in the morning. Do I just copy the messages from the main screen and post them here?
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