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Batman V Superman

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Linux23 said:
Yeah, i'd Redbox it. Personally after thinking about it, it wasn't that bad. It was similar, or worse, to the animated Justice League stuff.
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I have a feeling the uncut "R" version is going to be a lot better. The movie seemed to be suffering from editing to the point of losing it's intended vision.
 
Trailer looks good and seems to give a truer feeling of the feeling behind the movie than previous.

SKORPI0 said:
Wow, almost 30 minutes longer than the theatrical release. 😱
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The most deserved comment about the original was that, it was too short for what they were trying to do in it.
 
Chiropteran said:
That isn't the only important factor. There is a also a big desire to see something "original", and while Iron Man might not be brand new, coming from a comic book, it was actually new to a lot of movie-goers. Superman and Batman, on the other hand, have been in the theaters every few years for the last three decades. I am sure there are some people who are like "bleh, ANOTHER superman movie? I'll watch it on video"... while Iron Man was something completely new and different, never before seen by the non-comic reading populace.
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It's less the consistent "yet another Superman movie"...it's more about the crap remakes that have been coming out. I liked the current Superman though - I'm in the minority I guess, but makes the Brandon Routh Supermans look like kids movies.

Note - I have not seen BvS yet - with the young one, haven't been able to make time to go see it. Will rent/buy when it comes out though and make up my mind.
 
Watched a review of the BvS Ultimate Edition.

seems like they didn't cut a few longer scenes but rather shaved off 10-15 seconds off of a lot of scenes as well as removed a lot of minute to 2 minute scenes.

All the reviewers said that the the Ultimate Edition was an improvement over the theatrical release. The difference might be comparable to the Ultimate Watchmen vs the theatrical Watchmen.

I'm have been convinced to watch the Ultimate Edition and just pretend that the theatrical doesn't exist


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blankslate said:
Watched a review of the BvS Ultimate Edition.

seems like they didn't cut a few longer scenes but rather shaved off 10-15 seconds off of a lot of scenes as well as removed a lot of minute to 2 minute scenes.

All the reviewers said that the the Ultimate Edition was an improvement over the theatrical release. The difference might be comparable to the Ultimate Watchmen vs the theatrical Watchmen.

I'm have been convinced to watch the Ultimate Edition and just pretend that the theatrical doesn't exist


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what about the Director's cut? what place does it fit in?
better than theater but worse than ultimate?
 
I watched the ultimate edition last night - it was a huge improvement over the theatrical version. It's a linear story instead of being flash-back oriented. It flows much better and does a MUCH better job of providing the motivation for Batman to hate Superman so much.

Still, though, the turning point for Batman just doesn't sit right for me. All those years of hate to be melted away by the utterance of just one word...
 
jdoggg12 said:
Still, though, the turning point for Batman just doesn't sit right for me. All those years of hate to be melted away by the utterance of just one word...
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Yeah that's what kills it for many people.

I saw the scene differently. While it was bad dialogue, the scene made it seem like Batman, I guess for the first time, saw Superman as a human being (as much as he can be considered) with a family. He had a mother and someone that loved him enough to plead for his life. This also ties into the beginning flash back of Bruce Wayne's parents murder. Not just the uttering of the name, but of Batman realizing that he was now about to do the same thing to Superman as the person who murdered his parents did to him. Batman has essentially become that which he loathes and fights against. Which is why him not branding Luthor was so important as he had been inspired not to take life (in an indirect way) by Superman or Superman's sacrifice. One could see the film as Batman's redemption. This also ties with Superman being a light for humanity/role model because if he can change someone as stubborn as Batman then there's hope for humanity.

The movie reviewer, Chris Stuckman, did a rewrite about this scene (in which he got a lot of hate, even rape and death threats about) which hammered the point home much better. Maybe I like the rewrite because it's so close to what I thought about that scene so I guess I'm biased.
 
If you got the tmobile deal yesterday you could have gotten it for about $5.

Getting the BR for myself though.
 
TheEnd said:
Yeah that's what kills it for many people.

I saw the scene differently. While it was bad dialogue, the scene made it seem like Batman, I guess for the first time, saw Superman as a human being (as much as he can be considered) with a family. He had a mother and someone that loved him enough to plead for his life. This also ties into the beginning flash back of Bruce Wayne's parents murder. Not just the uttering of the name, but of Batman realizing that he was now about to do the same thing to Superman as the person who murdered his parents did to him. Batman has essentially become that which he loathes and fights against. Which is why him not branding Luthor was so important as he had been inspired not to take life (in an indirect way) by Superman or Superman's sacrifice. One could see the film as Batman's redemption. This also ties with Superman being a light for humanity/role model because if he can change someone as stubborn as Batman then there's hope for humanity.

The movie reviewer, Chris Stuckman, did a rewrite about this scene (in which he got a lot of hate, even rape and death threats about) which hammered the point home much better. Maybe I like the rewrite because it's so close to what I thought about that scene so I guess I'm biased.
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Thank you for this response! I really hadn't considered it like that before - that it wasn't so much their shared mother's name that made him stop as much as the realization that he had become the very same ruthless thug that he was so wrathfully pursuing. And, concurrently, the realization that he was towering over, ready to kill, this 'god' that could have killed him (Batman) in an instant yet had given him every opportunity to stop and talk. This dichotomy of power and restraint between them is most evident here. Had Batman killed Superman at this point, Supe's probably wouldn't have been remembered as a martyr - the world was still in contention about whether he was a savior or an angel of death.

It was hard for me to think about that, mostly due to how late in Bruce/Batman's life the movie seems to take place in.
 
TheEnd said:
Yeah that's what kills it for many people.

I saw the scene differently. While it was bad dialogue, the scene made it seem like Batman, I guess for the first time, saw Superman as a human being (as much as he can be considered) with a family. He had a mother and someone that loved him enough to plead for his life. This also ties into the beginning flash back of Bruce Wayne's parents murder. Not just the uttering of the name, but of Batman realizing that he was now about to do the same thing to Superman as the person who murdered his parents did to him. Batman has essentially become that which he loathes and fights against. Which is why him not branding Luthor was so important as he had been inspired not to take life (in an indirect way) by Superman or Superman's sacrifice. One could see the film as Batman's redemption. This also ties with Superman being a light for humanity/role model because if he can change someone as stubborn as Batman then there's hope for humanity.

The movie reviewer, Chris Stuckman, did a rewrite about this scene (in which he got a lot of hate, even rape and death threats about) which hammered the point home much better. Maybe I like the rewrite because it's so close to what I thought about that scene so I guess I'm biased.
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THIS. It's the intended point, but it was lost in the clumsy execution.
 
lupi said:
If you got the tmobile deal yesterday you could have gotten it for about $5.

Getting the BR for myself though.
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Vudu seems to have the extended version for sale now, and also offered from Vudu in UHD @ $29 (says extended version).
BTW, one would need either a vizio or LG Ultra HD TV with HDCP 2.2 and the updated Vudu app on the device. Dolby Vision supported via Vudu, at least on the LG set.

Or, the Roku 4K model used with any Ultra HD (UHD TV) that supports HDCP 2.2, along with the Vudu app installed on the Roku 4K streamer will play Vudu 4K UHD on any Ultra HD TV supporting HDCP 2.2. Just make sure the Roku is set for UHD output to the TV.
But if going the Roku route, I doubt Vudu plays in Dolby Vision.

PS. The Vudu option, for those too lazy to get in the car and buy in a store, like me. 😉
Too bad the movie itself SUCKED!
But that is what you get when an senior citizen plays a super hero.
We don't need to see the assisted living version of Batman nor Superman.
No wonder they are fighting. Grumpy old men dealing with senility. 🙂
 
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SKORPI0 said:
Which source. YouTube, Hulu or Google Play? Why would anyone pay $19.99 for the streamed HD version vs. a Blu-ray disc?
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I did not see this in theaters, as I rarely am willing to sit in one. And $20 for the theatrical and ultimate edition is a bargain comparatively speaking, given what going to the movies costs. I also pre-ordered the ultimate edition on blu-ray. Because while the PQ is acceptable streaming, the audio is not. The double dip will come in around the cost of a trip to the movies but with ownership of content.

Good explanation TheEnd, and strong lurking gaming. :thumbsup: I concluded similarly. It was the last thing his father ever said in this film's version of their deaths. That moment changed his life, and made him the bat. Of course Clark asking him to save Martha, would be so impactful. It is the one thing he can never do, that he so desperately desires to, go back and save his mom.

Good to read people that saw the theatrical version first, confirm the ultimate is a better movie. I was ready to chalk up all the hate, to the Simpson's comic book guy syndrome; it infects the webs more with every passing moment.

I like that Lex Jr. has panache. But because of the actor, he lacked any menace.

Still not a top of heap comic book movie. But better than my low expectations, which were based on the rampant and terrible feedback a couple months ago.
 
in the theater release, did bruce Wayne's dad say 'Martha' with his dying last breath?

and the flash saying 'you were right about him' reinforces batman's fears about superman.
I only remember him saying Lois is the key.

but I still don't understand the lois lane scene w/the warlord at the beginning of the movie.
is that lady senator blaming superman for kiling all those men that were shot then burned to make it look like his heat vision did it?
that doesn't make sense.

the us govt had eyes on his compound. they saw one of their agents shot via satellite.
so they should have seen the security contractors turn on the warlord and kill his men??
 
JEDI said:
in the theater release, did bruce Wayne's dad say 'Martha' with his dying last breath?

and the flash saying 'you were right about him' reinforces batman's fears about superman.
I only remember him saying Lois is the key.

but I still don't understand the lois lane scene w/the warlord at the beginning of the movie.
is that lady senator blaming superman for kiling all those men that were shot then burned to make it look like his heat vision did it?
that doesn't make sense.

the us govt had eyes on his compound. they saw one of their agents shot via satellite.
so they should have seen the security contractors turn on the warlord and kill his men??
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They had a witness lying about what happened to the senator and remember this was a CIA operation so it would had been very classified with that kind of satellite footage.
 
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