Baseball, in its entirety, will be dead to me...

[95SS]

Even if Bonds breaks Aaron's HR mark, he might not hold it that long. If he stays healthy, ARod has a shot at breaking 800.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: chuckywang
He would not be vilified nearly as much if he were white.

Fvck you.

Don't be hating. It's true.

It's two completely different situations. You guys are pulling these comparisons out of your arses.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: chuckywang
He would not be vilified nearly as much if he were white.

Correct, how have they treated McGuire throughout this whole mess

If a scandal like this had broken when McGwire was chasing the season record, you better believe it would've been as bad if not worse than with Bonds.

It's so bad for Bonds because he's in line to break one of the most prolific records in baseball history.

It's not like his record will last very long. A-rod will break it someday.

Gay-Rod isn't going to do crap. He's already turned the Yankees into a mediocre squad.

The curse of bambino turns into the curse of gay-rod.

 

[m2kewl]

you can put a * on his name, "i took 'ROIDS'" 😉

 

[mcvickj]

Bonds has talent. There is no question about that. I find it intersting that he ditches the entire season just after the whole steroids scandal. They keep talking about his injury but I bet he stopped taking steroids and he didn't want to embarrass his self by having a crappy season. There are several guys who have been considered steroid users and they are having less than stellar seasons.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: chuckywang
He would not be vilified nearly as much if he were white.

Correct, how have they treated McGuire throughout this whole mess

Right, the only difference between the two of them is the color of their skin. 😕

I could go into his attitude, but that's not the real reason I hate him and him getting this record. I hate him getting this record because he cheated. You can tell me all day that he and McGwire are the same, but that's just not true. McGuire hit 49 HRs his rookie season. Barry Bonds? 16.

I agree that he's a great hitter, but he knows 'roids aren't legal. I firmly believe McGuire used every substance he could to make himself stronger throughout the years, but I do NOT believe he used anything that was illegal. He was ALWAYS a power hitter, and Barry Bonds was not. If Barry wants all those other records, I'm proud to have his name there, but he CHEATED to get this one, and now he WANTS to be in the record book and thinks he DESERVES to be in the record books?

Yeah, he deserves that.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: chuckywang
He would not be vilified nearly as much if he were white.

Fvck you.

Don't be hating. It's true.

Right... his personality and his cheating have NOTHING to do with how he's been treated. It's all because he's black. Dude, even most black people don't think he gets sh1t on because he's black.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: chuckywang
He would not be vilified nearly as much if he were white.

Correct, how have they treated McGuire throughout this whole mess

If a scandal like this had broken when McGwire was chasing the season record, you better believe it would've been as bad if not worse than with Bonds.

It's so bad for Bonds because he's in line to break one of the most prolific records in baseball history.

It's not like his record will last very long. A-rod will break it someday.

Gay-Rod isn't going to do crap. He's already turned the Yankees into a mediocre squad.

The curse of bambino turns into the curse of gay-rod.

Uh...I don't see how anybody with the type of offensive numbers that Arod has this season can do anything but help their team. The Yankees problem is pitching.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: zendari
Gay-Rod isn't going to do crap. He's already turned the Yankees into a mediocre squad.

The curse of bambino turns into the curse of gay-rod.

And what was last night? I guess someone else in an A-Rod suit hit that HR.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Uh...I don't see how anybody with the type of offensive numbers that Arod has this season can do anything but help their team. The Yankees problem is pitching.

On this, we agree.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
From ESPN.com:

Bonds is under contract with the Giants through the 2006 season and has said he would consider returning in 2007 if he was within reach of Aaron's record.

I swear to God, if he breaks that record and they put that piece of sh1t in the books above Aaron, I'll never even acknowledge baseball exists again. I already don't like it as much as I used to, but if that happens, I will truly just completely give up on the sport.

Fvck you Barry Bonds.

Am I alone in this? Will anyone else be disillusioned if that happens?

No you probably aren't alone as there are always more than one fscktard who has a bug up his ass about one thing or another.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Ilmater
From ESPN.com:

Bonds is under contract with the Giants through the 2006 season and has said he would consider returning in 2007 if he was within reach of Aaron's record.

I swear to God, if he breaks that record and they put that piece of sh1t in the books above Aaron, I'll never even acknowledge baseball exists again. I already don't like it as much as I used to, but if that happens, I will truly just completely give up on the sport.

Fvck you Barry Bonds.

Am I alone in this? Will anyone else be disillusioned if that happens?

No you probably aren't alone as there are always more than one fscktard who has a bug up his ass about one thing or another.

Please read the edit to my original post and let me know if you still think I'm a fvcktard. If so, that's fine, I am just curious if that makes any difference.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: chuckywang
He would not be vilified nearly as much if he were white.

Correct, how have they treated McGuire throughout this whole mess

Right, the only difference between the two of them is the color of their skin. 😕

I could go into his attitude, but that's not the real reason I hate him and him getting this record. I hate him getting this record because he cheated. You can tell me all day that he and McGwire are the same, but that's just not true. McGuire hit 49 HRs his rookie season. Barry Bonds? 16.

I agree that he's a great hitter, but he knows 'roids aren't legal. I firmly believe McGuire used every substance he could to make himself stronger throughout the years, but I do NOT believe he used anything that was illegal. He was ALWAYS a power hitter, and Barry Bonds was not. If Barry wants all those other records, I'm proud to have his name there, but he CHEATED to get this one, and now he WANTS to be in the record book and thinks he DESERVES to be in the record books?

Yeah, he deserves that.

I agree that McGwire was always a power hitter, but I do believe that he took steroids. Are you saying that Andro wasn't a steroid? And while Bonds didn't hit many homers that rookie season, he would after that and while he was skinny.

I will strongly agree about the attitude problem. That's the main reason he's being treated differently than McGwire and Sosa.

Also, I don't generally care about ballplayers' opinions, but his opinions about Ruth irk me big time.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: jalaram
And while Bonds didn't hit many homers that rookie season, he would after that and while he was skinny.

But the important question is, "Would Barry Bonds be chasing a home run record if he had never used steroids?"

The answer is no.

As for Andro, yes it is a steroid, but it was legal, and I don't see how you can fault him for that. For example, let's say that protein shakes are banned from the sport tomorrow... do we then blame players that took it before they were banned?

 

[OutHouse]

you are not alone in this i feel the same way. Any pro ball player who breaks a record while artifically enhanced by using drugs should not ever be put in any record book. Its cheating plain and simple.

And baseball has lost me as a fan because of the players union dragging its feet when it comes to policing their sport and keeping it clean and honest.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: jalaram
And while Bonds didn't hit many homers that rookie season, he would after that and while he was skinny.

But the important question is, "Would Barry Bonds be chasing a home run record if he had never used steroids?"

The answer is no.

The same could be said of McGwire and Sosa (no proof on Sammy, but I wonder) that magical year. In my mind, Maris is still the record holder.

 

[m2kewl]

GUILTY!!

come on - even kids in the special olympics know BALCO clients are shooting that up. 😀

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: jalaram
And while Bonds didn't hit many homers that rookie season, he would after that and while he was skinny.

But the important question is, "Would Barry Bonds be chasing a home run record if he had never used steroids?"

The answer is no.

The same could be said of McGwire and Sosa (no proof on Sammy, but I wonder) that magical year. In my mind, Maris is still the record holder.

But as I said above, I believe they were using LEGAL substances to enhance their game. I'm not saying I'm happy about them taking the record, but there's a point at which you just have to let go of some of those things. Players in every sport will get better every year and break records. In other sports (NBA: 100 points in a game), there are records that will never be broken because of the way the game has changed. It goes both ways. But the fact is, he cheated to get to where he is, and that ain't right. He went BEYOND LEGAL MEANS to enhance his game, and for that I don't believe he should be allowed to have this record.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: jalaram
And while Bonds didn't hit many homers that rookie season, he would after that and while he was skinny.

But the important question is, "Would Barry Bonds be chasing a home run record if he had never used steroids?"

The answer is no.

The same could be said of McGwire and Sosa (no proof on Sammy, but I wonder) that magical year. In my mind, Maris is still the record holder.

But as I said above, I believe they were using LEGAL substances to enhance their game. I'm not saying I'm happy about them taking the record, but there's a point at which you just have to let go of some of those things. Players in every sport will get better every year and break records. In other sports (NBA: 100 points in a game), there are records that will never be broken because of the way the game has changed. It goes both ways. But the fact is, he cheated to get to where he is, and that ain't right. He went BEYOND LEGAL MEANS to enhance his game, and for that I don't believe he should be allowed to have this record.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
EDIT: In order to explain to anyone new coming in, let me be more clear. I hate him for his attitude, but that has nothing to do with this. This particular record does not belong to him. He's a great hitter: no doubt about that. But he was not a power hitter before he went the steroid route, and for that I hate him. This one record, above all others, he does not deserve. The fact that he is looking specifically to break this record makes me hate him even more.

I hate Barry Bonds too and want him to retire from baseball. And I've lost a lot of respect for ESPN when they still repeatedly call him the greatest player ever in the game.

But Bonds was a power hitter before steroids, just not 73 homeruns power hitter. He would get 35-40 before the big steroid years.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Citrix
you are not alone in this i feel the same way. Any pro ball player who breaks a record while artifically enhanced by using drugs should not ever be put in any record book. Its cheating plain and simple.

And baseball has lost me as a fan because of the players union dragging its feet when it comes to policing their sport and keeping it clean and honest.

Agreed. And the most common argument is the most frustrating one: "Well they have to in order to compete." NO THEY DON'T! If nobody took steroids, then nobody would need them. Either let them in and lock down the old record books, or take them out and make sure they stay that way. I don't care which path they choose (though I hope it's the latter), but not policing the sport is a disaster.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Ilmater
EDIT: In order to explain to anyone new coming in, let me be more clear. I hate him for his attitude, but that has nothing to do with this. This particular record does not belong to him. He's a great hitter: no doubt about that. But he was not a power hitter before he went the steroid route, and for that I hate him. This one record, above all others, he does not deserve. The fact that he is looking specifically to break this record makes me hate him even more.

I hate Barry Bonds too and want him to retire from baseball. And I've lost a lot of respect for ESPN when they still repeatedly call him the greatest player ever in the game.

But Bonds was a power hitter before steroids, just not 73 homeruns power hitter. He would get 35-40 before the big steroid years.

So you would agree that he doesn't deserve the single-season or all-time HR records?

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: jalaram
Also, I don't generally care about ballplayers' opinions, but his opinions about Ruth irk me big time.

Link?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Thats pathetic. Stop being a fanboy.

Giants rule.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: jalaram
And while Bonds didn't hit many homers that rookie season, he would after that and while he was skinny.

But the important question is, "Would Barry Bonds be chasing a home run record if he had never used steroids?"

The answer is no.

Well unless he's busted for steriods while chasing that record the whole question of him being juiced is moot.

I also think they should allow substances like HGH in Pro Sports, of course under controlled condiotions adminsitered by liscenced physicians and medical proffesionals.