Baseball Fans: Pedro Martinez HOFer?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

really?? what he is??

best pitcher of his generation is what he is.

Would you consider the whole A's Pitching staff his generation? Hell they are just getting started and have shown themselves to be very good (and a lot more durable). Then there is that young Pitching staff that the Twinkies have. There are many pitchers today that have the potential of putting up better stats by the time their careers are finished than Pedro.

Pedro is great but he hasn't awed the baseball world like Koufax did or like Bob Feller did in their time.

Yes, i do feel that the A's pitching staff is pedro's generation and i don't feel ANY of them are as good as Pedro. Ironically, the best of the 3, in my opinion, is Hudson and he is very similar to pedro, relatively small, good fastball, good control, lots of weapons, and already showing himself to be injury prone.

Well ther are just at the beggining of their careers and most will probably end up with the Yankees when their contracts with the A's expire so it's more than likely they will put up gaudy numbers by the time all is said and done!

Pedro is great but when it comes to being a Stud I think he's lacking.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

really?? what he is??

best pitcher of his generation is what he is.

Would you consider the whole A's Pitching staff his generation? Hell they are just getting started and have shown themselves to be very good (and a lot more durable). Then there is that young Pitching staff that the Twinkies have. There are many pitchers today that have the potential of putting up better stats by the time their careers are finished than Pedro.

Pedro is great but he hasn't awed the baseball world like Koufax did or like Bob Feller did in their time.

Yes, i do feel that the A's pitching staff is pedro's generation and i don't feel ANY of them are as good as Pedro. Ironically, the best of the 3, in my opinion, is Hudson and he is very similar to pedro, relatively small, good fastball, good control, lots of weapons, and already showing himself to be injury prone.

Well ther are just at the beggining of their careers and most will probably end up with the Yankees when their contracts with the A's expire so it's more than likely they will put up gaudy numbers by the time all is said and done!

Pedro is great but when it comes to being a Stud I think he's lacking.

i don't think either of us will convince the other that our opinions are correct here read.

i posted it earlier in this thread, but as a braves fan, i would much rather have had pedro with all of his flakiness just to enjoy watching him for those AMAZING three seasons than Either Glavine OR maddux with their 16 or 18 seasons respectively of VERY VERY good pitching.

if the braves had Pedro instead of maddux or glavine during the last 6 years, they would have won at least one more world series.

Ironically, the 2 most famous pitchers of this generation, Clemens and Maddux, both have poor track records in the playoffs. not like Koufax or other GREATS, shoot, even david cone has a better track record in the WS and Playoffs than Maddux and Clemens.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

really?? what he is??

best pitcher of his generation is what he is.

Would you consider the whole A's Pitching staff his generation? Hell they are just getting started and have shown themselves to be very good (and a lot more durable). Then there is that young Pitching staff that the Twinkies have. There are many pitchers today that have the potential of putting up better stats by the time their careers are finished than Pedro.

Pedro is great but he hasn't awed the baseball world like Koufax did or like Bob Feller did in their time.

Yes, i do feel that the A's pitching staff is pedro's generation and i don't feel ANY of them are as good as Pedro. Ironically, the best of the 3, in my opinion, is Hudson and he is very similar to pedro, relatively small, good fastball, good control, lots of weapons, and already showing himself to be injury prone.

Well ther are just at the beggining of their careers and most will probably end up with the Yankees when their contracts with the A's expire so it's more than likely they will put up gaudy numbers by the time all is said and done!

Pedro is great but when it comes to being a Stud I think he's lacking.

i don't think either of us will convince the other that our opinions are correct here read.

i posted it earlier in this thread, but as a braves fan, i would much rather have had pedro with all of his flakiness just to enjoy watching him for those AMAZING three seasons than Either Glavine OR maddux with their 16 or 18 seasons respectively of VERY VERY good pitching.

if the braves had Pedro instead of maddux or glavine during the last 6 years, they would have won at least one more world series.

Ironically, the 2 most famous pitchers of this generation, Clemens and Maddux, both have poor track records in the playoffs. not like Koufax or other GREATS, shoot, even david cone has a better track record in the WS and Playoffs than Maddux and Clemens.

Well the measure of how great you is usually how well you do when the pressure is on. Pedro has yet to prove himself (through no fault of his own)

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

really?? what he is??

best pitcher of his generation is what he is.

Would you consider the whole A's Pitching staff his generation? Hell they are just getting started and have shown themselves to be very good (and a lot more durable). Then there is that young Pitching staff that the Twinkies have. There are many pitchers today that have the potential of putting up better stats by the time their careers are finished than Pedro.

Pedro is great but he hasn't awed the baseball world like Koufax did or like Bob Feller did in their time.

Yes, i do feel that the A's pitching staff is pedro's generation and i don't feel ANY of them are as good as Pedro. Ironically, the best of the 3, in my opinion, is Hudson and he is very similar to pedro, relatively small, good fastball, good control, lots of weapons, and already showing himself to be injury prone.

Well ther are just at the beggining of their careers and most will probably end up with the Yankees when their contracts with the A's expire so it's more than likely they will put up gaudy numbers by the time all is said and done!

Pedro is great but when it comes to being a Stud I think he's lacking.

i don't think either of us will convince the other that our opinions are correct here read.

i posted it earlier in this thread, but as a braves fan, i would much rather have had pedro with all of his flakiness just to enjoy watching him for those AMAZING three seasons than Either Glavine OR maddux with their 16 or 18 seasons respectively of VERY VERY good pitching.

if the braves had Pedro instead of maddux or glavine during the last 6 years, they would have won at least one more world series.

Ironically, the 2 most famous pitchers of this generation, Clemens and Maddux, both have poor track records in the playoffs. not like Koufax or other GREATS, shoot, even david cone has a better track record in the WS and Playoffs than Maddux and Clemens.

Well the measure of how great you is usually how well you do when the pressure is on. Pedro has yet to prove himself (through no fault of his own)

agreed, but that doesn't explain Clemens and Maddux both of whom get HUGE ups from everybody, only a few irate or irrational people don't believe those two don't belong in the HOF and yet BOTH have a history of not doing so well in the big game, where as david cone who most people believe WON'T make it to the HOF is 5-0 with 2.12 era in 5 WS appearances, now both Clemens and Maddux has more WS appearances but i to my recollection neither is anywhere close to 5-0 .

i was wrong, but maddux and clemens has better era's in the WS games tho fewer appearances than Cone.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

/\ What we call, "unlearned."

 

[RabidMongoose]

I don't know if anyone of this current generation will put up as dominating numbers as Pedro has, but Prior seems like the next great pitcher.

 

[DogFromDuckhunt]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

really?? what he is??

best pitcher of his generation is what he is.

Eh, its debatable whether he's the best of his generation or not but he is an amazing pitcher. He's also a huge pussy. He wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and will skip a start. I'm not saying he's not great, he just does what he wants when he wants. Almost any other pitcher goes out there day and night, as long as they can get the ball across the plate they want to be on that mound and play every single day. He just plays when its convenient for him.

 

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

/\ What we call, "unlearned."

Indeed.

Back to the topic.... He needs more good years. If he can keep this up for a couple more seasons than I'd say he could get in. He's had some unbelievable years.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: fanerman91

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

/\ What we call, "unlearned."

Indeed.

Back to the topic.... He needs more good years. If he can keep this up for a couple more seasons than I'd say he could get in. He's had some unbelievable years.

He's been dominant enough to warrant inclusion in the HOF...but this has already been discussed in this very thread.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Ummm... it was a slight fever he went to the hospital to get an IV. Waaahhhh wahhhh, he's making it out to be FAR worse than it really was.

Oh, and I'm not a Yankee fan btw. I just see Pedro for what he is.

really?? what he is??

best pitcher of his generation is what he is.

Would you consider the whole A's Pitching staff his generation? Hell they are just getting started and have shown themselves to be very good (and a lot more durable). Then there is that young Pitching staff that the Twinkies have. There are many pitchers today that have the potential of putting up better stats by the time their careers are finished than Pedro.

Pedro is great but he hasn't awed the baseball world like Koufax did or like Bob Feller did in their time.

Yes, i do feel that the A's pitching staff is pedro's generation and i don't feel ANY of them are as good as Pedro. Ironically, the best of the 3, in my opinion, is Hudson and he is very similar to pedro, relatively small, good fastball, good control, lots of weapons, and already showing himself to be injury prone.

Well ther are just at the beggining of their careers and most will probably end up with the Yankees when their contracts with the A's expire so it's more than likely they will put up gaudy numbers by the time all is said and done!

Pedro is great but when it comes to being a Stud I think he's lacking.

A's pitchers are very good? LMAO... the only reason Zito won the Cy Young last year was b/c Pedro was ROBBED (I have posted this in numerous other threads) and you could even argue Lowe was better than Zito. The only reason Zito won was b/c the A's strung that 17 or 18 game winning streak at the end of the year. Statistically, the only thing Zito beat Pedro in was wins, which we all know is a very poor way to judge someone...

What has Zito done this year? Sht! Hudsen? lol, if you're going to be "very good", shouldn't you at least be in the top 10 in fantasy pitchers? Funny, I don't see ANY A's pitchers there. Pedro made it with less than 200 innings pitched at #7 which is amazing. Mulder, he's out for the season if you want to talk injuries. When any of the A's pitchers lead the league in K's on less than 200 innings pitched and lead the league in ERA, then come talk to me.

The latest issue of Sporting News predicts Boston/San Fran WS... they made a good point that good starting pitchers during the regular season don't mean Sht in the postseason unless you're a power pitcher, like Randy and Curt. Recent World Series have been good indicators that good starting pitching will not beat great hitting, only power pitchers can do that (your real superstars). This is why the A's don't scare me at all, Boston's hitting should smother them b/c they don't have any good power pitchers. The Cubs and Marlins, on the other hand, are scary if they get in (Wood and Prior can shut down any offense in baseball, anywhere/anytime).