Bart Officer arrested for Murder

[Skitzer]

Wonder what his defense will be?
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[OCGuy]

That was what needed to happen.

 

[Genx87]

I'd guess that he didnt mean to shoot the gun?

If he isnt convicted. I'd move out of Oakland quickly.

 

[mugs]

There's already a thread about this, and in it there is plenty of discussion that answers your question.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Genx87
If he isnt convicted. I'd move out of Oakland quickly.

Kind of sad, isn't it?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: mugs
There's already a thread about this, and in it there is plenty of discussion that answers your question.

I can`t find the thread......and YES it`s sad!

+Cappuccino_X2

 

[Skitzer]

The other thread was started before he was charged with anything.
Just looking for opinions on what his DEFENSE tactics could possibly be.
I think he will be found guilty of manslaughter ...... I don't think he meant to do it.

 

[jpeyton]

About fucking time.

 

[BoberFett]

Impossible, Don Vito said it wouldn't be murder.

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Impossible, Don Vito said it wouldn't be murder.

It probably won't be murder that he is convicted of.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Impossible, Don Vito said it wouldn't be murder.

I never said he wouldn't be charged with murder - in fact I said he probably would be. I betcha he pleads to involuntary manslaughter and gets maybe 3 years in prison, which I think is the right outcome.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Impossible, Don Vito said it wouldn't be murder.

I never said he wouldn't be charged with murder - in fact I said he probably would be. I betcha he pleads to involuntary manslaughter and gets maybe 3 years in prison, which I think is the right outcome.

Is it possible they don't let him plea? I feel like the animals of Oakland will demand murder charge.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Impossible, Don Vito said it wouldn't be murder.

I never said he wouldn't be charged with murder - in fact I said he probably would be. I betcha he pleads to involuntary manslaughter and gets maybe 3 years in prison, which I think is the right outcome.

Is it possible they don't let him plea? I feel like the animals of Oakland will demand murder charge.

If Oakland ended up burning to the ground, I dont think anyone would really care. Let them riot, and dont even waste our national guard resources on stopping it.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Genx87
If he isnt convicted. I'd move out of Oakland quickly.

Kind of sad, isn't it?

What's sad, denying justice or people rioting over denied justice?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Genx87
If he isnt convicted. I'd move out of Oakland quickly.

Kind of sad, isn't it?

What's sad, denying justice or people rioting over denied justice?

Both.

 

[Dari]

All this discussion is academic anyways. That motherfucker is going to prison on a stupid mistake. Next time, he'll realize what powers a weapon has and carry a similar burden of responsibility when using it. Perhaps he won't be so stupid.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Impossible, Don Vito said it wouldn't be murder.

I never said he wouldn't be charged with murder - in fact I said he probably would be. I betcha he pleads to involuntary manslaughter and gets maybe 3 years in prison, which I think is the right outcome.

Is it possible they don't let him plea? I feel like the animals of Oakland will demand murder charge.

If Oakland ended up burning to the ground, I dont think anyone would really care. Let them riot, and dont even waste our national guard resources on stopping it.

I would agree with you if my CA tax money didn't go to "restore" Oakland after it burned down.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: JS80

Is it possible they don't let him plea? I feel like the animals of Oakland will demand murder charge.

Certainly possible, but IMO the cost-benefit doesn't make that a smart move.

Assuming (and I am fully aware this is an assumption based on evidence which doesn't yet exist) he claims he intended to use his taser and this was a complete mistake on his part, I don't see how any fair jury could find him guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt based on what they see on the video. I'd argue the same will hold true even if he doesn't testify, based on the video. Ergo, the City would be encumbered with the expense of a trial and the prospect that he will probably only be convicted of manslaughter anyway. If they're foolish enough not to instruct the jury on the lesser included offense of manslaughter, he will walk 9 times out of 10, and imagine the riots that will result then.

I suppose there's some chance that there is other evidence that this was an intentional shooting that might tend to obviate what we see in the video. In that case, I guess it's possible, albeit very unlikely (I'd set the odds at 5% or less) that he will simply plead to murder or voluntary manslaughter. I would find that VERY surprising, but criminal law is like that sometimes.

I still say that at the end of the day, whether he pleads guilty or not, he ends of convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced accordingly.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Impossible, Don Vito said it wouldn't be murder.

I never said he wouldn't be charged with murder - in fact I said he probably would be. I betcha he pleads to involuntary manslaughter and gets maybe 3 years in prison, which I think is the right outcome.

Is it possible they don't let him plea? I feel like the animals of Oakland will demand murder charge.

If Oakland ended up burning to the ground, I dont think anyone would really care. Let them riot, and dont even waste our national guard resources on stopping it.

I would agree with you if my CA tax money didn't go to "restore" Oakland after it burned down.

Luckily CA doesnt have any tax money left to spend, so I'm thinking a museum of some sort. Fly-over tours out of San Jose/SF maybe? Think of the revenue for the state if they ran it.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: JS80

Is it possible they don't let him plea? I feel like the animals of Oakland will demand murder charge.

Certainly possible, but IMO the cost-benefit doesn't make that a smart move.

Assuming (and I am fully aware this is an assumption based on evidence which doesn't yet exist) he claims he intended to use his taser and this was a complete mistake on his part, I don't see how any fair jury could find him guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt based on what they see on the video. I'd argue the same will hold true even if he doesn't testify, based on the video. Ergo, the City would be encumbered with the expense of a trial and the prospect that he will probably only be convicted of manslaughter anyway. If they're foolish enough not to instruct the jury on the lesser included offense of manslaughter, he will walk 9 times out of 10, and imagine the riots that will result then.

I suppose there's some chance that there is other evidence that this was an intentional shooting that might tend to obviate what we see in the video. In that case, I guess it's possible, albeit very unlikely (I'd set the odds at 5% or less) that he will simply plead to murder or voluntary manslaughter. I would find that VERY surprising, but criminal law is like that sometimes.

I still say that at the end of the day, whether he pleads guilty or not, he ends of convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced accordingly.

So you're saying it's a catch-22. Bc there will be a riot either way.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

And to think, if those videos weren't recorded he'd probably get away with it.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Genx87
If he isnt convicted. I'd move out of Oakland quickly.

Kind of sad, isn't it?

What's sad, denying justice or people rioting over denied justice?

Both.

I definitely think it's VERY unfortunate that a DA is having to make prosecution decisions based on the prospect of a riot, but as a practical matter their decisions are often heavily influenced by politics anyway, and I regard that as a similarly irrelevant contaminant to their ability to do their job.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: JS80

Is it possible they don't let him plea? I feel like the animals of Oakland will demand murder charge.

Certainly possible, but IMO the cost-benefit doesn't make that a smart move.

Assuming (and I am fully aware this is an assumption based on evidence which doesn't yet exist) he claims he intended to use his taser and this was a complete mistake on his part, I don't see how any fair jury could find him guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt based on what they see on the video. I'd argue the same will hold true even if he doesn't testify, based on the video. Ergo, the City would be encumbered with the expense of a trial and the prospect that he will probably only be convicted of manslaughter anyway. If they're foolish enough not to instruct the jury on the lesser included offense of manslaughter, he will walk 9 times out of 10, and imagine the riots that will result then.

I suppose there's some chance that there is other evidence that this was an intentional shooting that might tend to obviate what we see in the video. In that case, I guess it's possible, albeit very unlikely (I'd set the odds at 5% or less) that he will simply plead to murder or voluntary manslaughter. I would find that VERY surprising, but criminal law is like that sometimes.

I still say that at the end of the day, whether he pleads guilty or not, he ends of convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced accordingly.

So you're saying it's a catch-22. Bc there will be a riot either way.

I'm starting to hope you get caught up in the middle of it (should it happen).

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
And to think, if those videos weren't recorded he'd probably get away with it.

Maybe, maybe not. The videos definitely help ensure that justice is done, in any case. In my experience most cops will lie to protect other cops, but in this case there were literally hundreds of witnesses, and I'm sure at least SOME of them weren't crappy witnesses by virtue of felony convictions and other credibility problems. I for one think it's a good thing to the extent that bad actors of all kinds (including but not limited to police) have to act with the knowledge that someone might have a cell phone camera nearby.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Genx87
If he isnt convicted. I'd move out of Oakland quickly.

Kind of sad, isn't it?

What's sad, denying justice or people rioting over denied justice?

Both.

I definitely think it's VERY unfortunate that a DA is having to make prosecution decisions based on the prospect of a riot, but as a practical matter their decisions are often heavily influenced by politics anyway, and I regard that as a similarly irrelevant contaminant to their ability to do their job.

If prosecutors would do their jobs 100% all the time everytime, they wouldn't be under such pressure. When something happens to a celebrity they put all their resources into that, but, G-d forbid, if something should happen to me, you, or some other poor resident, you think they'd give a fuck? I, for one, was happy to see those Rodney King riots because it just showed how political justice can be.