Bars with door policies that border on racist

[swbsam]

I used to frequent this bar in NYC called Continental. It was cheap and located conveniently near a train so it was a common place to meet up, but I noticed something fishy way back when about the door policy. When it was off-peak I would get in without a problem. Peak hours, however, I'd get rejected at the door more often then not. It wasn't because I was a guy, since I traveled with a good amount of girls - rejecting me would mean less girls in the establishment.. Since I never, ever play the race card (my life is too blessed and I work too hard to ever pull such bullshit), I just assumed I was rejected because I'm fat...

Now I read this article on the consumerist - http://consumerist.com/5269469...t-include-black-people

I also google the venue and found other similar instances. What do you guys thing?

In case the gut ATOT reaction is that I was rejected because I dress "gangta" or that my friends were "ghetto," here are some pics. We clearly don't look like we carry weapons or even use the term "got beef" in anything but an ironic fashion.. The bar in question is a casual, t-shirt and jeans sorta dive.


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[Barfo]

I never go to places with a doorman.

 

[buck]

If you and your friends along with the others writing those articles stopped going there, they would lose business. They have the right to refuse service to anyone with BS restrictions. Move on and don't waste your time.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Barfo
I never go to places with a doorman.

Well, most of the bars in prime areas of NYC need bouncers, since there are quite a few universities here. Though, of course, those bouncers let 19 year olds in all the time.

 

[Jeeebus]

obligatory: you're not black.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Barfo
I never go to places with a doorman.

Most bars downtown have a guy at the door.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Barfo
I never go to places with a doorman.

Well, most of the bars in prime areas of NYC need bouncers, since there are quite a few universities here. Though, of course, those bouncers let 19 year olds in all the time.

The kind of 19 year olds that have huge breasts and short skirts...:thumbsup:

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
obligatory: you're not black.

Reverse Oreo?

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: buck
If you and your friends along with the others writing those articles stopped going there, they would lose business. They have the right to refuse service to anyone with BS restrictions. Move on and don't waste your time.

I, of course, believe in wallet based activism and I'm surely not going to picket the establishment. But do they really have the right to refuse service based on anything but a dress code and the obvious age restrictions?

What if I opened a bar and put up a sign "NO CHINESE PEOPLE," or had a selection criteria that meant that chinese people simply would not be allowed in?

 

[Bill Brasky]

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn...589dbe94d79abeded4.jpg

WTH is that guy going?

You didn't say what you were wearing when they rejected you. And what was their reason? I'm caucasian, and I've been rejected because my diesels had a 5" tear at the bottom (and saftey pinned together). I'm not saying this place isn't profiling, because it might be. But if you go to clubs long enough, everyone's gonna get rejected for a retarded reason at some point.

If I was you, I wouldn't want to go back to that bar.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
obligatory: you're not black.

I'm a dark, dark indian who ignorant people often assume is black (especially now that I shave my head.. damn genetic hair loss!). Actually, you don't have to be that ignorant to think that I'm black, I have some african features

 

[sao123]

maybe the girls you were with were ugly...

or

maybe the fact the girls were with you meant they werent available for other guys to hook up with




but what do I know... i'd never go to a night club.

 

[Beev]

Saying people can't wear sideways caps, etc isn't racist. It keeps the wiggers out just as much as anyone else. In fact, that may be it's biggest benefit

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: buck
If you and your friends along with the others writing those articles stopped going there, they would lose business. They have the right to refuse service to anyone with BS restrictions. Move on and don't waste your time.

I, of course, believe in wallet based activism and I'm surely not going to picket the establishment. But do they really have the right to refuse service based on anything but a dress code and the obvious age restrictions?

What if I opened a bar and put up a sign "NO CHINESE PEOPLE," or had a selection criteria that meant that chinese people simply would not be allowed in?

I agree with your point completely, what I am saying is that they can pull some BS restrictions and get away with it. They wont flat out say "no brown people during rush hour", instead they will say that your clothes/hair/hat/teeth/shoes don't meet their "requirements", and that is all they need to say. Its fucked up, but its done all the time.

 

[cheezy321]

A lot of bars have policies geared towards specific people....
Things such as:
- Wearing Hats
- Wearing baggy clothes
- Excessive jewelry.

Ive seen people try and use this as an excuse not to let people in. They probably didnt want them to come into the bar because they were black, but they didnt let them in because their "clothes were too baggy". I was right behind them, and their clothes were not any baggier than my own. Felt kind of bad for the guys.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: sao123
maybe the girls you were with were ugly...

or

maybe the fact the girls were with you meant they werent available for other guys to hook up with




but what do I know... i'd never go to a night club.

Its a bar...

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: buck
If you and your friends along with the others writing those articles stopped going there, they would lose business. They have the right to refuse service to anyone with BS restrictions. Move on and don't waste your time.

I, of course, believe in wallet based activism and I'm surely not going to picket the establishment. But do they really have the right to refuse service based on anything but a dress code and the obvious age restrictions?

What if I opened a bar and put up a sign "NO CHINESE PEOPLE," or had a selection criteria that meant that chinese people simply would not be allowed in?

no, they cannot (legally) descriminate based on race, gender, et cetera. one exception i can think of are casinos, which have the right to refuse anyone service for any reason and without explaination.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Zaitsev
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn...589dbe94d79abeded4.jpg

WTH is that guy going?

You didn't say what you were wearing when they rejected you. And what was their reason? I'm caucasian, and I've been rejected because my diesels had a 5" tear at the bottom (and saftey pinned together). I'm not saying this place isn't profiling, because it might be. But if you go to clubs long enough, everyone's gonna get rejected for a retarded reason at some point.

If I was you, I wouldn't want to go back to that bar.

I consistently dress as pictures - either a suit jacket or a band t-shirt and well fitting jeans. my footware's usually doc martens or those payless slip ons that are quite comfortable and not quite sneakers (dark canvas with prints).

Oh, I've been rejected countless times as well, and I usually chalk it up to either being fat or not scene enough.. I'm totally ok with that, venues do have reputations to uphold.

But trends of discrimination based on race is what I'm wondering about.. I know it's legal to have whatever door standard you'd like, but, well, should it be? Dress codes and age restrictions aside, of course.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Zaitsev
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn...589dbe94d79abeded4.jpg

WTH is that guy going?

You didn't say what you were wearing when they rejected you. And what was their reason? I'm caucasian, and I've been rejected because my diesels had a 5" tear at the bottom (and saftey pinned together). I'm not saying this place isn't profiling, because it might be. But if you go to clubs long enough, everyone's gonna get rejected for a retarded reason at some point.

If I was you, I wouldn't want to go back to that bar.

Shoot, sorry - didn't see that guy in the background, just a chose the pictures because my best man (and best friend) are in it, and are typical of my friends

 

[HannibalX]

Doesn't sound like a race thing to me. Could be the fat thing (no offense). I did read the blog that was posted. We only got one side to the story. The person claims the door man rejected him for having a sideways hat and baggy shorts. Well, if the owner doesn't like people wearing those items he can choose not to let them in (no matter if you think that's good or bad). Who knows, the guy could be a loud mouth and has caused customers to leave and that's the reason - the point is we don't know, it could have been anything so instantly calling it a race thing seems foolish.

As mentioned, I'd just find another place. If the owner doesn't want your business that's his loss.

 

[Whisper]

I've heard of night clubs selectively admitting individuals based on race, and have seen the practice first-hand on occasion (e.g., if I'm ahead of/behind a group of friends, I'll get in fine while they don't; friends not being let in for not wearing appropriate attire, while individuals in identical outfits can be seen just inside the door, etc.), so it does happen.

 

[darkxshade]

If the applicant is young, tell him he's too young. Old, too old. Fat, too fat.


If the applicant then waits for three days without food, shelter, or encouragement, he may then enter...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Zaitsev
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn...589dbe94d79abeded4.jpg

WTH is that guy going?

You didn't say what you were wearing when they rejected you. And what was their reason? I'm caucasian, and I've been rejected because my diesels had a 5" tear at the bottom (and saftey pinned together). I'm not saying this place isn't profiling, because it might be. But if you go to clubs long enough, everyone's gonna get rejected for a retarded reason at some point.

If I was you, I wouldn't want to go back to that bar.

Shoot, sorry - didn't see that guy in the background, just a chose the pictures because my best man (and best friend) are in it, and are typical of my friends

You still didn't answer the question. What the hell is that guy doing? What kind of club is this anyway?

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Zaitsev
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn...589dbe94d79abeded4.jpg

WTH is that guy going?

You didn't say what you were wearing when they rejected you. And what was their reason? I'm caucasian, and I've been rejected because my diesels had a 5" tear at the bottom (and saftey pinned together). I'm not saying this place isn't profiling, because it might be. But if you go to clubs long enough, everyone's gonna get rejected for a retarded reason at some point.

If I was you, I wouldn't want to go back to that bar.

Shoot, sorry - didn't see that guy in the background, just a chose the pictures because my best man (and best friend) are in it, and are typical of my friends

You still didn't answer the question. What the hell is that guy doing? What kind of club is this anyway?

That picture was taken at a loft party thrown by a BK based art collective.

That guy was being a douchebag or an attention whore, I'm not really sure which one (I don't know the guy).

 

[mugs]

When the guy takes his sideways baseball hat off, it doesn't make him any less of a douchebag. They don't ban stuff like sideways hats and timberland boots and baggy clothes just because they don't like the way they look, they ban them because of the type of people who wear them. A lot of those people are black, a lot of them are not. A lot of black people don't dress like or act like those people. Yeah, they're just clothes - but clothes can say a lot about a person.

Now, if they really are letting in white people who violate their dress codes, or rejecting respectable black people, that's wrong. But I'm not going to believe they're doing that just because some sideways hat wearer with a grudge says so.