Good to see the man above the rhetoric, above the lies, above the character of other politicians flat out lies and acts like nobody watching has seen the interview with that religious guy a couple weeks ago.
Actually he mentioned a lot of specifics. Of course it's a Catch 22. If he spent 2 hours giving out facts, figures, percentages, & dollar amounts you'd claim it's dry, boring, uninspiring, and change the channel. More often than not the purpose of a speech is to convey an emotion and inspire a direction of action. Did JFK lay out his 47 point plan for supporting West Berlin or did he simply say, "Ich bin ein Berliner"?
Maybe I should be more specific--his name is spelled "Barack" not "Barak" and I'd hope someone who was following the election would know that.
Funny, since Obama's platform calls for tax *cuts* for most. While I disagree with him because I'd like to see deficit reduction, they can be paid for out of cutting Bush spending.
Originally posted by: Viditor
I guess I just don't get it...
What does "watered down" mean in this context? Is it like outlawing NASCAR because it waters down "real" race driving?
To Brencat:
If you want a 'sacred' marriage, have it in your bigot church that bans gay marriage.
Get your nose out of gay relationships and stop the immoral discrimination to deny them legal equality because of your bigotry.
I don't care if you don't want marriage "watered down" by gays, or blacks, or any other group who there's no reason but bigotry to discriminate against. You're wrong.
Gays don't have any 'twisted thinking', they have natural attraction to the same gender the same way you have natural attraction to the opposite gender. You're ignorant.
Centuries of tradition are wrong when the tradition is wrong - as it was with slavery, as it was with women not voting, and other things.
It's good your bigotry is less than it could be by your supporting civil unions, but not less enough. You have no right to deny gays equal rights on marriage.
It's not a "trophy" for them any more than blacks overcoming the obstacles in their way to get to vote made voting a "trophy". It's simply the end of wrongful discrimination.
Bitek
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Nice, sounds like a future suicide. And I mean that will all honesty, seriousness and experience.
I think straight people need to get their house in order before they dare tell anyone else how to live. All these people cheating on their wives, McCain, Edwards, Ted Haggart, Clinton, Gingrich, Larry Craig.. they are the ones making a mockery of marriage.
Better yet self-righteous tightassed straights should just STFU and worry about themselves. If you want to tell people how to live, go join the Taliban and move to Pakistan. America means freedom for eveyone.
If it works so well, explain the 54% divorce rate and all the single parents raising children?
Two stable gay parents > One Parent
What right do you have to tell other people how to live?
Reverse roles, what if gay marriage was the normal accepted socialtal structure because of overpopulation... and you fell in love with a woman... how would you feel if the government or society in general frowned upon it? (its far fetched, but try to imagine the scenario...)
Bitek
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I think Obama's speech was good, but not earth-shattering on the Obama scale, but still really good on a normal poltician's scale.
Nice to see the details wrapped up in a speech, but also laying out a vision of where he wants to take the country . Throw in some good McCain bashing/contrasts and it was a preety effective speech. Not really a carve in granite speech, but effective for what he needs to do.
I think McCain will have to work really really hard to not look small and outdated with that huge performance and historic moment last night. I imagine what we are going to see out of the RNC is just a lot of vile and bitterness as opposed to the uplifting and inspiring rhetoric of the DNC.
Nice to see the details wrapped up in a speech, but also laying out a vision of where he wants to take the country . Throw in some good McCain bashing/contrasts and it was a preety effective speech. Not really a carve in granite speech, but effective for what he needs to do.
I think McCain will have to work really really hard to not look small and outdated with that huge performance and historic moment last night. I imagine what we are going to see out of the RNC is just a lot of vile and bitterness as opposed to the uplifting and inspiring rhetoric of the DNC.
lupi
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Maybe you should post that one more time Casiotech, I'm sure it was just a forum fluke that everyone reading the thread missed it the other times you did.
Of course that's not nearly as fun as listening to the hypocritical band wagon going on here. Yes, we really need more guys hanging around together lip locking at the park. Especially since many of the my way or the highway tunnel vission hacks engaged in this discussions would be the very first ones crying like some boogy man just ripped them away from their mothers wet nipple if some priest was standing in the opposite corner of the same park reading aloud verses from the bible.
As for the speech, just about every one on both sides discussed beforehand that to finally start and swinging more of the independents and disgruntled clinton supporters that he would finally have to start hitting specifics. Excluding Olbermann and JP whom are still undergoing their personal revelation from witnessing the ressurection of their christ, we had another standard fare of much grandstanding with an empty delivery. Won't be till later today when all the talking heads have a chance to, but I'd expect a decent majority to discuss what wasn't present in the speach.
Lemon law
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I am pretty sure McCain will make a similar lofty speech, long on promises and dreams, but the reality is both candidates will have champagne plans and not even a beer pocketbook. The USA is going to have to have an austerity budget for the next decade or so and we are going to have to stop hemorrhaging money on boondoggle foreign quagmires. If the US can't control inflation, interest payment on servicing the debt will gut discretionary spending.
Obama receives no poll bounce
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Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama successfully used his convention speech to lay out the stakes for the November election and draw a contrast with Republican John McCain, though he may receive little or no bounce in the polls, the Democratic nominee's chief strategist said.
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Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama successfully used his convention speech to lay out the stakes for the November election and draw a contrast with Republican John McCain, though he may receive little or no bounce in the polls, the Democratic nominee's chief strategist said.
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Yeah, I hate to agree with jonks but it's pretty standard after a convention for everyone in the party to say there will be little or no bounce in the polls even though they know there will be one. When the bounce comes, then they can turn around and say "our message obviously resonated with the American people".
It'll be curious to see what kind of bounce Obama does get from his speech-- I'd venture to say probably not as much as he got from Bill Clinton's speech on Wednesday.
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I think with that one speech Obama has shifted the balance of the campaign issues-forcing the GOP to defend their policies and record, and not making the election a a referendum about Obama. While showing again his humanity, he showed some real backbone-which is what people are looking for when they approve negative advertising. But his was honest criticism, not phony "celebrity" and inexperience jabs.
I thought the speech was just about perfect as a political move. From here on out, McCain is definately fighting uphill.
I thought the speech was just about perfect as a political move. From here on out, McCain is definately fighting uphill.
Be fair? Oh really? I think a more objective third party could say something like that, but you?
Kindly shut up.
EDIT: What's really ironic is that Nebor makes his little gem of a comment a page before he starts preaching to jpeyton about 'fairness'.. what a turd.
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