Banned from Nvidia Forums by Chris Ray (Update: Situation Resolved, Mistaken Identity)

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terpsy

terpsy

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Banned from Nvidia Forums, and here is why?.

I posted this morning on Nvidia forums about the state of the 8800 series and the lack of Drivers for Vista.

I, as many others, have legitimate copies of Vista through MSDN as well as being beta testers for Microsoft. This is not my first Beta Test, nor will it be my last.

I stated that in my opinion, the fact of having no driver for the 8800 series and Vista leads me to believe that there is a SERIOUS problem going on in writing the driver. It has been RTM for about 2 months now, and not even a Beta driver. I stated that we may find out that you will need to purchase the revision hardware, as the launch hardware is not fully DX10 compatible or may need to change for the driver and Vista to work correctly.

I also stated that I did not purchase the 8800 so that I can have a few more FPS in XP.
I bought this card for the same reason I feel everyone else has, to get full use and speed
In Vista. If all I wanted was XP performance, an ATI X1950 or 7900 Series GPU would have been just fine.

For the above, Chris Ray BANNED me?.

No, let me speak my mind?

There are Drivers for every ATI card as well as all PREVIOUS NVidia GPU?s for Vista,
Why not for the card that was SUPPOSEDLY built for Vista? What is the big secret that
Is being hidden from the public, as well as the review sites? I already know the card is purchased is 10% cheaper, and may turn out to be the Next Voodoo5 series.

Let me chronicle the NVidia purchases I have made in the past (note: these are for only MYsystems, does not include the cards purchased for family)

TNT
TNT2
GeForce256
GeForce2
GeForce3
GeForce 4400
GeForce 6800GT
GeForce 7800GTX
GeFroce 7800GT (SLI)
GeFroce 7900GTX (SLI)
GeForce 7900GT (SLI)
GeForce 7950GX2

In the past, NVidia was known for being just a tad worse than ATI in desktop graphics, but the driver support could not be beat. Over the past couple of years, this has changed. And in my opinion, ATI is far more concerned about their drivers, and are constantly working to improve them. That was the main reason I had stuck with Nvidia through the years. But after this latest situation, I am appalled at the actions and non-communication from NVidia on their flagship card.

What is the big surprise on Jan 30th, that we have all invested in a card that runs Aero, but ends there? The performance is beaten by the ATI X1900 series and 7900 GPU?s in Vista? When someone has nothing to hide, they communicate and have Beta drivers available. Why the BIG curtain on the 8800 series and Vista? I must have the most expensive VGA display for Vista (of course, only beaten by those with 8800GTX SLI setups).

This was Chris Ray?s Private Message on the Nvidia Forums to me?

You have a new personal message from ChrisRay
Stop returning to the forums.
Stop coming back to these forums. You are not welcome on them.

ChrisRay is a member of the Moderators group and has 910 posts.


Thanks Chris, I see where Nvidia is heading currently, and look forward to
The AMD-ATI offering for my future endeavors?
 
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Piuc2020

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I know it sucks and all but there is not much we can do or you can do by complaining here.

And I doubt someone would ban you for something like that, I'm not doubting you but its hard to believe someone would ban you for that, I'm sure you were a little more aggressive in your claims

8800 drivers for Vista will come eventually, there must be a reason, its no conspiracy or some top secret reason like 8800s suck in Vista... just be patient, there is nothing to use a 8800GTX for in Vista anyways (and yes I have the system) and another card will work for the moment... games work fine on Vista on other cards...
 
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maverick9611

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Originally posted by: Piuc2020
just be patient, there is nothing to use a 8800GTX for in Vista anyways (and yes I have the system) and another card will work for the moment... games work fine on Vista on other cards...
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Well I for one would like to play games and watch videos on Vista with my 8800GTS. That currently is impossible without a driver. Dual booting isnt an option because I dont have a XP key from any former computers and dont feel like buying a copy just to use it for 23 or less days until a Vista driver is released. Just my 2 cents.
 
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olmer

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100% agree with op. Vista-ready 8800 by nVidia IS a case of false advertisement whatever they may say to wriggle out of it. BUT so far i have enjoyed very good drivers/support from them since Riva 128, which unfortunately cannot be said about ATI. So i personally owe them until vista?s retail release before criticizing ? especially as i do not own 8800/wish to use Vista for now.

As to those who bought 8800 only for vista ? it is a case of a pretty straightforward RMA ? surely you will be able to get the same/better card cheaper once the drivers are out.
 
Cookie Monster

Cookie Monster

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How MANY TIMES has people got to complain about 8800 series not having Vista drivers!

If you can point me to a legitimate copy of Vista that can be bought from bestbuy, compusa and other big retailers then i agree with you 100%.

The big secret is that ... Vista IS NOT YET RELEASED.

How hard is it to understand this simple fact? Only Vista business has been released offically and only those who are using the business version should be the ones complaining.(i doubt companies buying 8800 series cards for office/paper work though unless most of them decides to play games instead of working)

NVIDIA has already promsied to release the Vista drivers for 8800 series on Jan 30th when Vista becomes available to consumers. Its offical.

Plus how can you have legitimate copies of Vista when its not even available on shelfs (unless its a business version where i dont think many will be using a 8800 series for office/paper works)? RC1/RC2 arent the real versions.

Chris Ray wouldnt have banned you unless he had a good clear reason to do so.
 
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xtknight

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Stop complaining. Vista hasn't been released to the public and NVIDIA still needs more time with Vista RTM to get out stable drivers. Would you rather have something flaky? (Well, they'll be flaky alright, just less flaky when Vista is actually out.) They don't need FUD being spread about on their forums.

I stated that in my opinion, the fact of having no driver for the 8800 series and Vista leads me to believe that there is a SERIOUS problem going on in writing the driver. It has been RTM for about 2 months now, and not even a Beta driver. I stated that we may find out that you will need to purchase the revision hardware, as the launch hardware is not fully DX10 compatible or may need to change for the driver and Vista to work correctly.
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Do you have any clue how long it takes to learn a whole new driver architecture/API and to port every feature over (the graphics driver has got to be one of the biggest)? NVIDIA and ATI are among the fastest when it comes to that. There are plenty of other companies that still don't have Vista drivers.
 
terpsy

terpsy

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Original Post is on www.nvidia.com --> Support --> User Forums--> Hardware --> Forceware Drivers

And, that is all I did state in the post, if I had gone over the line, or did something to cause a banning, I would say have said so.

 
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LazyGit

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I can't really comment on the fact that you were banned but it is a little worrisome that the 8800, technically the only card 100% compliant with vista, is the only card that cannot run vista, even if it is in the RTM stage. It is especially worrisome when you are waiting for yours to arrive.

I suspect that it has a lot to do with dx10 issues. For now, I'm not fussed, if they're not there when vista is released, then I will worry.
cheers
 
terpsy

terpsy

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As I can't get back to the Forums, can you please post a copy of my original posting on the Nvidia Forums.

Thank you
 
Cookie Monster

Cookie Monster

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You simply blew the problem out of porportion. Not just by a little but abit TOO extreme. Almost similiar to FUD spreading.

Big secrets? hardware revisions? not DX10 compliant? cover up by nVIDIA? the list goes on.

No wonder Chris Ray banned you especially at the nVIDIA forum site.
 
terpsy

terpsy

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Sorry, but when you spend $600 on a card billed and advertised as for "Vista", you would expect to be able to use it with the same OS.

It doesn't say, nor was ever communicated (Use me for XP for the next 3 months until Vista ships, and pay 10-15% more now for adopting early) Which, would have been more upfront.

Something has gone seriously wrong with the Vista driver. Is this something that only happened after the card shipped? What the heck was going on for the last 2+ years that the OS and Card were being developed?

I know, the card was in design for the last 4 years, since the ATI 9700Pro hit the market.

The point is, the driving motivator for sales is for Vista. If I had known, was made aware of, or hinted to that I could not use it with Vista until January 30th, I would not have purchased the card at or near launch date. Like many others, I would have waited, as the prices have dropped 10%, plus, there are some nice rebates floating around now for it. I know, Sucker on the forehead, like none of us have lived on the Bleeding Edge.

NVidia knows that is why the card is sought. Heck, I can drivers for Linux for it (not a terrible thing). But this card is Built for DirectX10, Vista, et al...

Why no Beta driver? you think I may be spreading FUD, but ask yourself, why not release a driver? Because I can't walk into BestBuy and Purchase Vista today? OTC sales always lag behind MSDN, etc....

What is the problem that they are having with the driver and Vista? Is it really that much SLOWER in games under Vista than XP? Do they really not have a good team to write drivers? Did the release of Vista catch them by surprise?

Come on already. For a company that asks it customers to spend $450-$600 for the 8800 Series card, is it too much to receive a driver?

With no Beta driver, how can they be sure that they are testing enough platforms and games to make the driver better?

On the 30th, if the driver is released then, I got a sick feeling in my stomach that less than 50% of games will work with it. And I am not referring to slower FPS, Every game will have that until a true DX10 title is out. But, there will be no bug reports until after it ships? How many more weeks until we get a revised driver that fixes 10 games?

Do you see the cycle this represents....

 
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theprodigalrebel

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I tried looking for your post on there but couldn't find it. I looked up your username but I found this other dude called 'terpsy' with a postcount of 1, and it wasn't your post.

I did see the big sticky for all G80/Vista discussion up there and a note about deleting posts/banning users without notifying them if they broke rules. I say just give it a rest...NV f'ed up by the whole Vista-Ready sticker fiasco. G80 already has massive rendering errors in some games in good old XP. They would f'k up more if they released a half-assed driver to the masses that makes Vista gaming a nightmare. They DO say that it is in QA and are working to fix compatibility and performance issues in both 32/64-bit Vista. If MS says Jan 30 is it, I guess it is. Sucks really...but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

There are plenty of forums to discuss the issue over the web. I guess they do have a right to be a little extra-defensive on their official forums. Now I don't approve of their attitude...but what can ya do?
:cookie:
 
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Conky

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Yet another reason to wait on the second (or third or fourth) wave of DX10 capable cards to hit the market. The pricetag is enough to keep me away but some folks have to have the very latest and greatest.

I don't even want to upgrade(?) to Vista so it's all mute to me.
 
Schadenfroh

Schadenfroh

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Posted by ChrisRay in said thread

Thats pretty funny coming from the guy who has "Swore to get back at Nvidia at any cost and would make Nvidia pay" 8800GTS purchase. Why dont you stop coming back to the forums. Impersonating me on other forums. You only make yourself look foolish. Please leave. Your not welcome here tdbone.

Goodbye Again

And for the "G80 doesnt work in Vista". The features have been exposed for sometime. People have already benched the geometry shader. It works fine. All the other features work fine. If Nvidia had something to hide they wouldnt have exposed it in OpenGL.
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apoppin

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
You simply blew the problem out of porportion. Not just by a little but abit TOO extreme. Almost similiar to FUD spreading.

Big secrets? hardware revisions? not DX10 compliant? cover up by nVIDIA? the list goes on.

No wonder Chris Ray banned you especially at the nVIDIA forum site.
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kinda like you and ati :p

jumping to nvidia's "defense" ... no matter 'what'.

we get it

and PLEASE ... Vista IS released ... it is out and you can buy a copy ... your excuse grows weaker by the hour.
... but that's the way the :cookie: crumbles

i know nvidia is EMBARASSED that they are behind .... and they don't take criticism very well

OP, would you rather have a buggy driver? Their architecture is brand new and you can only stretch a company so thin. ;)

after all, nvidia wasn't complemented by MS publically for designing the SW driver "at the Heart of Vista" like ATi :D

strange ... 4 years ago Ati was waaay behind nvidia in writing drivers ... it appears the situation is now reversed

 
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