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Bang for the buck 40" 4K

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Muse said:
Can you explain? The sharpness is active when res set to 1080p but inactive when set at 4K? You're running at 1080p part of the time? Sharpness isn't by default at 0? What's it set at and what is the effect and why does everyone seem to want to change it?

Are there other settings that you had to change?

Once changed, do you have any need/desire to reset anything?
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By default, with a 1080P input, you can use the Menu to adjust things like sharpness and color. But for whatever reason, on the (2016) model, you cannot adjust those things, while a 4K UHD display is showing. They are greyed out in Menu.

The factory-default Sharpness, is set to 50% (half). This basically applies a "Sharpen filter" to everything on the screen, including text, and is generally not necessary, and a bit overkill.

If you get into the Factory Menu, you can adjust the Sharpness down to zero, and it sticks when you have a 4K UHD display up too.

Much more pleasing, IMHO.
 
VirtualLarry said:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889651014&ignorebbr=1

ShellShocker today, 11/04/2018, for $179.99. Shows "Sold Out" for now, but sometimes they do that on popular items, it starts out Sold Out, then comes back in stock every few hours. Keep an eye out for it.

If you want a cheap (but decent) 40" 4K UHD screen, jump on this one.
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It's been stable at Newegg for $199.99, free shipping for this Avera 40" 4K UHD display.

Question: I saw a review the other day (Youtube) and the guy was saying it isn't a "Smart TV." I hadn't heard that term before, so looked it up. I'm very unclear what that translates to in practical terms. I suppose it means I need software on a computer to allow me to stream some content rather than the display itself doing it. But this is very abstract to me. I'd appreciate some explanation. Thank you.
 
Muse said:
It's been stable at Newegg for $199.99, free shipping for this Avera 40" 4K UHD display.

Question: I saw a review the other day (Youtube) and the guy was saying it isn't a "Smart TV." I hadn't heard that term before, so looked it up. I'm very unclear what that translates to in practical terms. I suppose it means I need software on a computer to allow me to stream some content rather than the display itself doing it. But this is very abstract to me. I'd appreciate some explanation. Thank you.
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Well as a basic example, a SmartTV with Amazon video streaming can stream 4k movies and TV from amazons video catalogue. But Amazon currently does NOT allow 4k streaming to a desktop PC, no matter what hardware you have. It must go through a SmartTV, Xbox, PS4, or other streaming device (the amazon fireTVstick 4k for example).

So while many things like youtube and netflix can stream 4k to a windows computer, other things like amazon as mentioned earlier, don't allow 4k streaming to anything but SmartTVs and other locked down streaming devices (to try and prevent pirating).

Hulu on the other hand has removed what little 4k streaming support they previously had, it was only available on PS4 pro or Xbox one X, but as of several months ago, they wont even do 4k streaming to those devices.


tldr; certain services will allow 4k streaming on a smartTV or other streaming device, but not allow 4k streaming on a desktop PC connected to that TV. So depending on your needs, you may want it to be a SmartTV, or you might not care, or you have an Xbox one X or PS4 pro already and have that covered in other ways.
 
You forgot to point out the biggest disadvantage with a "Smart" TV... not only do they record what you watch, they also spy on your conversations.

IOW, it's a GOOD thing that the Avera TVs aren't "Smart".
 
VirtualLarry said:
You forgot to point out the biggest disadvantage with a "Smart" TV... not only do they record what you watch, they also spy on your conversations.
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I wont comment on that considering most of your other devices are just as capable of doing the same thing and I doubt you'll convince anyone to stop carrying a smartphone or use any of the other smart devices they're already using daily.
 
I guess to stream 4K via Amazon you need Amazon Prime? I don't have that. I infer from the comments above that it's possible to get Netflix 4K streaming on a "not smart" 4K display by virtue of the computer feed. Am I right about these?
 
Muse said:
I infer from the comments above that it's possible to get Netflix 4K streaming on a "not smart" 4K display by virtue of the computer feed
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Correct, while Netflix makes it easier to stream 4k with a streaming device (SmartTV, Xbox, etc). Netflix DO offer 4k streaming on the desktop using the Windows 10 netflix app, or the Edge browser. (other web browser are not supported). Though you may need to purchase the $1-2 HEVC codec download from the windows store, as well as have the Netflix 4k subscription (which costs more than the standard subscription). And this is on top of the hardware requirements mentioned earlier in the thread, the GTX 1050 3GB or better being required.
 
Muse said:
Whoa! Welcome to Black Friday! It's been for sale for $199.99 for weeks and suddenly today it's $229.99. Newegg???
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This is what I've been telling people for the last few years. Newegg RAISES prices, on Memorial Day and "Black" Friday, because that's when "the masses" have been trained to shop, and they BLINDLY ASSUME that if something's "on sale" on BF, that somehow, it MUST be a GOOD price.

Which, is sadly, NOT TRUE.

Keep your eyes open, and monitor prices all throughout November, and you'll find many bargains either before or after BF, that AREN'T a bargain ON BF.

PS. You forgot the $39.99 shipping added on too, at that link.
 
Atari2600 said:
So whats the verdict on the avera? (Not that I can find it available in Europe at the moment)
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You can read the reviews at Newegg for that. The price there has dropped to $209.99, free shipping, 10 bucks more than I paid. You can check out what they say at Amazon, too.

Mine sits in the unopened box because I'm not ready to set it up. I've been debating whether to put it upstairs or downstairs, I'm leaning to the latter. But for either one I need a new (or used) motherboard. I have a case with a burned out motherboard I can use for it. If I want two of these, one upstairs and the other downstairs I'll need to build another system... case, mobo, CPU, RAM, video card, OS, the whole 9 yards.
 
Given that a increasing number of people are using 4K TV for computer displays, I'm surprised that TV manufacturers aren't advertising certain models suitability for that use. Maybe even offering Displayport.
 
interesting enough the tv was the same price or lower last year in november, i see reviews for 175 😉 wish it had HDR for that price id give a few away, right now not sure if its good enough for a xmas present for grandma.
 
killster1 said:
interesting enough the tv was the same price or lower last year in november, i see reviews for 175 😉 wish it had HDR for that price id give a few away, right now not sure if its good enough for a xmas present for grandma.
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I'd never encountered the term HDR. Being color blind (not totally, but I lack the green cones in my eyes), I am hamstrung when it comes to dealing with color. I initially tried to develop a career in desktop publishing, having studied it in school. But I was a poor candidate and it never got off the ground. I figure my color blindness may have played a role. For me, excellence or "perfection" in a display's color renditions is basically meaningless. I should be happy if I like what I see, if it doesn't look off or weird, which does happen. But I don't kid myself that it's great... unless maybe someone tells me so, but what does that mean for me? Hearsay! 🙂 I'm happy enough if a display just looks not-strange and doesn't have stuck pixels, has reasonably uniform brightness/rendition, sharp from edge to edge.
 
Muse said:
I'd never encountered the term HDR. Being color blind (not totally, but I lack the green cones in my eyes), I am hamstrung when it comes to dealing with color. I initially tried to develop a career in desktop publishing, having studied it in school. But I was a poor candidate and it never got off the ground. I figure my color blindness may have played a role. For me, excellence or "perfection" in a display's color renditions is basically meaningless. I should be happy if I like what I see, if it doesn't look off or weird, which does happen. But I don't kid myself that it's great... unless maybe someone tells me so, but what does that mean for me? Hearsay! 🙂 I'm happy enough if a display just looks not-strange and doesn't have stuck pixels, has reasonably uniform brightness/rendition, sharp from edge to edge.
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im not sure the point of your post, HDR is greater detail from bright and dark areas. Thats it! with that said im going to do another search on ebay for 40"+ 4k 4:4:4 @ 60hz if nothing is within 70-100$ more than this one ill bite and give it away for a xmas gift. they are using a 37" LG LCD i gave them a few years ago and it seems one of the LED has gone out, because it is very dim but still in use.

i see they make a 49 and 55" version too. the 49" was 150 last year haha 300 for the 55" a year ago,
 
killster1 said:
im not sure the point of your post, HDR is greater detail from bright and dark areas. Thats it! with that said im going to do another search on ebay for 40"+ 4k 4:4:4 @ 60hz if nothing is within 70-100$ more than this one ill bite and give it away for a xmas gift. they are using a 37" LG LCD i gave them a few years ago and it seems one of the LED has gone out, because it is very dim but still in use.

i see they make a 49 and 55" version too. the 49" was 150 last year haha 300 for the 55" a year ago,
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If you get it, please post here your impressions.

I looked up HDR the other day and it said some stuff about color accuracy, that's why I riffed on that. I hear about that a lot but I am always mystified because my eyes just can't pick up on the nuances other people's eyes do.

"Greater detail" does sound like something I'd very much like. People's comments seem to be generally very complimentary about this display, with few exceptions. OTO, Walmart is selling an RCA 43" 4K display for $199.99 (they were the other day), the "4300" and customer reviews looked very problematic compared to reviews for this Avera 40" 4K. Similarly for Amazon reviews. Besides, apparently the RCA display has only one HDMI 2.0 port.
 
Got a 43" tcl 5 series 43505 from googlecheckout bestbuy store 229. I knew I wouldn't have to get the avera woho. Might grab two more for xmas gifts to two other people
 
killster1 said:
Got a 43" tcl 5 series 43505 from googlecheckout bestbuy store 229. I knew I wouldn't have to get the avera woho. Might grab two more for xmas gifts to two other people
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Is that still available? I may get that, bring back my 2nd Avera in unopened box to Walmart.

Is that HDR? I read an article yesterday that made the case that HDR is actually a bigger deal (at least right now) that 4K. But it also made the case that there are better and worse HDR implementations being used.

You got this at Best Buy? I don't see a 43505 there. It calls that a 43S515 and is listed there at $319.99.

I registered for Google Checkout in 2006 but haven't used it AFAIK for 10 years.

Edit: Ah, searching I found your thread.
 
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Muse said:
Is that still available? I may get that, bring back my 2nd Avera in unopened box to Walmart.

Is that HDR? I read an article yesterday that made the case that HDR is actually a bigger deal (at least right now) that 4K. But it also made the case that there are better and worse HDR implementations being used.

You got this at Best Buy? I don't see a 43505 there. It calls that a 43S515 and is listed there at $319.99.

I registered for Google Checkout in 2006 but haven't used it AFAIK for 10 years.

Edit: Ah, searching I found your thread.
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Sorry, u missed it by a few hours. I'm sure there will be more on sale soon enough. Instead of another I grabbed a nu7100 samsung for 329 hdr with supposvily a better picture.
 
The Avera 40EQX20 40-Inch 4K Ultra HD LED TV (2017) is again selling for $199.99 at Newegg.

Here is a 11:21 video, Best 40 inch TVs Reviews, that summarizes the field, they must have hit over 20 different offerings of all kinds. 1080p, 4K, curved. They have a section at the end where they make awards for best this and that, including best overall, best in general, best value, best curved, that kind of thing.

A Samsung won for best.

The Avera 40" 4K won hands down for best value. It's individual review started at 8:10 and it's award is at 10:56. They said the only knock on it is that it isn't a Smart TV. However, evidently you may not actually want a Smart Television:

Smart TVs Are Stupid: Why You Don’t Really Want a Smart TV

After reading that link, I realized I definitely do NOT want a "Smart TV" and if I had one, I'd turn off the "feature." They say: 'These days it might be hard to find a TV that isn’t a “smart” TV, so our advice is to just find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part of it. And definitely don’t pay a lot more money for a TV because of the “smart” features.'
 
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