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The Avera 40EQX20 40-Inch 4K Ultra HD LED TV (2017) is again selling for $199.99 at Newegg.

Here is a 11:21 video, Best 40 inch TVs Reviews, that summarizes the field, they must have hit over 20 different offerings of all kinds. 1080p, 4K, curved. They have a section at the end where they make awards for best this and that, including best overall, best in general, best value, best curved, that kind of thing.

A Samsung won for best.

The Avera 40" 4K won hands down for best value. It's individual review started at 8:10 and it's award is at 10:56. They said the only knock on it is that it isn't a Smart TV. However, evidently you may not actually want a Smart Television:

Smart TVs Are Stupid: Why You Don’t Really Want a Smart TV

After reading that link, I realized I definitely do NOT want a "Smart TV" and if I had one, I'd turn off the "feature." They say: 'These days it might be hard to find a TV that isn’t a “smart” TV, so our advice is to just find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part of it. And definitely don’t pay a lot more money for a TV because of the “smart” features.'


well smart tv's are to slow for me, its like using a firestick? (have not tried lately but always run into either not being able to use every app i want or slow navigation phantom presses. Bla.

After setting up the samsung and TCL i will be purchasing another samsung nu7100 50" for about 400. The TCL looks pretty good and they are super happy with it. I wasnt happy with the menu or remote but i guess thats why it was 229$ :)

Your linked youtube video (all tv's from 2+ years ago /eye roll awards? hahaha) .. hope that isnt you. they should have watched a video on speech impediment. 150 views wow wonder how many made it to the end hehe...
 
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well smart tv's are to slow for me, its like using a firestick? (have not tried lately but always run into either not being able to use every app i want or slow navigation phantom presses. Bla.

After setting up the samsung and TCL i will be purchasing another samsung nu7100 50" for about 400. The TCL looks pretty good and they are super happy with it. I wasnt happy with the menu or remote but i guess thats why it was 229$ :)

Your linked youtube video (all tv's from 2+ years ago /eye roll awards? hahaha) .. hope that isnt you. they should have watched a video on speech impediment. 150 views wow wonder how many made it to the end hehe...
Yeah, OK, that was 2 years old? Guess I was tired (I am). Well, yeah, I did notice 153 views is mighty sparse. Still, I did think it was pretty well done, they'd made an effort. Didn't waste time, was succinct, and my definite impression is that it was very unbiased, they seemed to have no skin in the game, were willing to call a spade a spade, so it was easy enough to read between the lines. And yes, I made it to the end. The voice wasn't terrific, but I was able to understand it, a litmus test, there are a lot of videos out there by ESL people, and by and large they drive me nuts. I get a lot of ESL tech support and I just suffer through it. I count myself lucky when I get a person who can think in English, a lot of ESL folks don't seem to, is my impression. My phone's bad enough, my hearing is so so, having to deal with language incongruity is just the breaking straw. Speach impediment? Maybe a little, I could hear that, I did have to REW several times, didn't always understand him. But hey, there's precious little (almost nothing) out there on the Avera 40" 4K monitor, so I watched it.
 

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Smart TVs Are Stupid: Why You Don’t Really Want a Smart TV

After reading that link, I realized I definitely do NOT want a "Smart TV" and if I had one, I'd turn off the "feature." They say: 'These days it might be hard to find a TV that isn’t a “smart” TV, so our advice is to just find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part of it. And definitely don’t pay a lot more money for a TV because of the “smart” features.'
That's an excellent article, and one reason that I'm happy that I stumbled upon the Avera 4K UHD TV a few years ago on sale BF at Newegg.

So far, mine has held up pretty well. Plus, it has FOUR HDMI2.0 ports. Groovy. And it was (relatively) cheap. And "not SMART".
 
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Newegg price holding at $199.99, but showing OUT OF STOCK right now.

Checked Walmart... ATM showing $149.99! And in stock, just ordered another. It will ship free, but I'm going to pick it up, want to inspect the box before I accept it... once burned twice shy.


trying hard not to bite. just need 1 tv left to buy if its 150+tax at walmart freeship i guess i will snag one to give away. *unless i see another tcl 43" for 229 (looks pretty good)

Thanks for the update
 

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trying hard not to bite. just need 1 tv left to buy if its 150+tax at walmart freeship i guess i will snag one to give away. *unless i see another tcl 43" for 229 (looks pretty good)

Thanks for the update
You might want to think again if you are willing to chance this. Here's my story at the moment:

I ordered one a couple days ago or so from Walmart. I hadn't opened the boxed one I received from Newegg on Nov. 11 because I didn't have the system yet to drive it. Indicated on the Walmart one I just ordered is ETA of Monday 12/17. I waived on delivery in favor of pickup because the one I got from them around 2 weeks ago had a dented box and I wouldn't open it, just brought it back. I'd used Chase Pay to pay for it online and after standing in line 1/2 hour on a Saturday they refused to refund me but gave me full value on a gift card. I didn't argue, what good would that do me?

But I decided next time I could pick up a monitor in a B&M store I would do that in favor of delivery. Who knows what happens to your precious monitor when handled by people who may not care? It's worth it to me to spend an hour or two and drive 10-30 miles to lessen the chance that my merchandise has suffered rough treatment.

The Avera 40EQX20 40" 4K display (same display) I received from Newegg, delivered to my porch, looked just fine, was obviously NITB but after setting it up a couple days ago and getting a computer signal into it I was disappointed to find it has a major defect. I could watch movies on it or play games and probably never notice but for computing it's a serious deal breaker. It looks as if someone had dragged a finger nail over it making a streak about 2.25" long, not so much as 1/2 way from the center toward one corner. When looking at text documents, etc., with a white background that streak is super obvious. Newegg will RMA it and pick up shipping charges and either refund me or provide a replacement, my call. I haven't made up my mind. Meantime, I'm waiting for Walmart and hope that I get an OK display from them.

Also, another perplexing and vexing issue materialized a day or so after noticing that streak. Poking around the menus trying to find out how to turn off the to-me annoying voice announcements that happen much of the time when in the menus or even turning the thing on or off, I did something (don't know what) that has caused the display to get into a state that I have not been able to change: it is on a certain TV station, I hear the sound but there's no TV picture, just changing screens every ~5 seconds or so (I'm guessing), changing from bright red to yellow to white, etc. etc. etc. Maybe it's a display test evaluation utility, I've seen ones that do that sort of thing. You can spot dead pixels with those.

Nothing I do changes this on behavior, including the sound. The menus, I can't access. I can't change inputs, I can't turn it off! Hitting mute does not stop the sound, the system is totally unresponsive to all button pushes on the remote now. The only way to stop it is pull the plug and when I plug it back in (even hours later) it's as if I'd never pulled the plug... it goes on and on. I called Avera twice today and left messages but they have not returned my call. I suppose I'll send them an email: service@averadigital.com
 
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Thats not good news and anything saved is lost in time and worrying. Next choice is a HDR NU6900 samsung 43" for less than 250 shipped or close.

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisi...nu6900-smart-4k-uhd-tv--2018--un43nu6900fxza/
or
https://www.samsung.com/us/televisi...vs/43--class-mu6300-4k-uhd-tv-un43mu6300fxza/ for even less (but lame remote)
I can't disagree, I'll investigate those displays. About the only thing that keeps me so interested in the Avera is the 4 HDMI 2.0 ports. The other small 4K displays seem to max out at 3. But I have an HDMI splitter, it's probably not HDMI 2.0 compliant, however... but I suppose I can find one, and that would give me at least one extra port, is my thinking.

Edit: Those Samsung displays IIRC don't have analog audio output or a headphone jack, deal breaker for me.
 
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what are you going to use your ports for ;) ps4 pc what else?

and guess what the stupid ebay coupon is back so i guess ill prob end up buying the 50" 7100 and swamping out one of the 40" monitors i have in use.
 
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what are you going to use your ports for ;) ps4 pc what else?
Well, upstairs is my home theater, media room. I have a projector in there and a big white screen. Also a big desk under that screen and ATM, two monitors on that desk, 23" and 19". I figured to put a 40" 4K on that desk instead of the two monitors. There are 3 PCs there, one of them a laptop, which outputs to the 19". There are two blu-ray players (one is multi-region, but rarely used) that can output to the projector but also to the 23" display. When I rebuild main PC, it will have a Blu-ray burner in it.

So, these inputs could be used:

Blu-ray player
Blu-ray player (multi-region)
Main PC
Laptop


Maybe some others that I forget!

I'm probably going to just take a refund on my RMAing Avera from Newegg and likely get a different small 4K display for downstairs. I'm going to look into Walmart's return policy, maybe cancel my order, maybe take it home if the box looks good and see if it performs OK and can live with the warts and if it's OK with me, put it upstairs eventually (i.e. after I get the 2nd display for downstairs). I'm complicating an already over complicated life here! :)
 
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Well, upstairs is my home theater, media room. I have a projector in there and a big white screen. Also a big desk under that screen and ATM, two monitors on that desk, 23" and 19". I figured to put a 40" 4K on that desk instead of the two monitors. There are 3 PCs there, one of them a laptop, which outputs to the 19". There are two blu-ray players (one is multi-region, but rarely used) that can output to the projector but also to the 23" display. When I rebuild main PC, it will have a Blu-ray burner in it.

So, these inputs could be used:

Blu-ray player
Blu-ray player (multi-region)
Main PC
Laptop


Maybe some others that I forget!

/shrug
i use a slot load usb3.0 pinoeer blu-ray burner attached to pc.

Wonder why you need to use a pc and laptop in same location ;)

samsung nu7100 HDMI 2.0 Full Bandwith : Yes (HDMI 1,2,3)

Samsung mu6300 also has full 2.0 on all 3 hdmi, i think any modern tv is going to have this as well.
 

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/shrug
i use a slot load usb3.0 pinoeer blu-ray burner attached to pc.

Wonder why you need to use a pc and laptop in same location ;)

samsung nu7100 HDMI 2.0 Full Bandwith : Yes (HDMI 1,2,3)

Samsung mu6300 also has full 2.0 on all 3 hdmi, i think any modern tv is going to have this as well.
Thanks for the rundown.

Answer to question: I have laptop and PC in same location because the laptop has specific function to record FM stereo off an FM receiver. The receiver turns on/off by virtue of a digital timer with 20 on/off presets, picking day/days-of-the-week. The laptop goes to sleep when it's not recording FM (or doing some other task) after a few minutes of inactivity. At one time I had the desktop doing this but I use the desktop for other things. Plus, the desktop as currently built does not work with S3 suspend, so couldn't do it unless I leave it on 24/7, which I don't want to do.

MIRACLE: Well, I just called Avera support again (1-866-528-1109) and got right to a guy who knows his stuff. He was friendly, patient, unassuming and down to earth. Probably ESL, but I had no problem communicating with him and we solved both technical issues I'm having:

Problem 1. The endless loop (TV set to one channel, sound continuous and screen going WHITE/RED/BLUE/YELLOW/BLACK etc. staying 3 seconds on each... ad infinitum).

Solution:
a. Press the power button on the bottom right of display. I didn't know there were controls there, I initially and every time after turned it on with the remote.

b. Unplug

c. Plug back in

d. Turn on

Problem 2. Turning off Voice Guidance

Solution:
Press Menu on remote, go to Setup and scroll down. What I didn't realize was the fact that there's a 2nd page that you get to if you keep scrolling and the 2nd and last item on the 2nd page is Voice Guidance. By default it is On and you can change it to Off right there.
- - - -
I then told him about the damaged panel, the 2.25" scratch and he just said he couldn't help me with that. That's weird, because Newegg had the idea I could get RMA service from Avera as well as from Newegg and that it would be my choice which I wanted. That may be true, but this guy didn't hint that it's true. I just thanked him and said my goodbyes. I'll RMA through Newegg. Will I have them send me a replacement or refund? Should I continue with my Walmart order? I figure I should investigate Walmart's policies on returns.
 

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Thanks for the rundown.

Answer to question: I have laptop and PC in same location because the laptop has specific function to record FM stereo off an FM receiver. The receiver turns on/off by virtue of a digital timer with 20 on/off presets, picking day/days-of-the-week. The laptop goes to sleep when it's not recording FM (or doing some other task) after a few minutes of inactivity. At one time I had the desktop doing this but I use the desktop for other things. Plus, the desktop as currently built does not work with S3 suspend, so couldn't do it unless I leave it on 24/7, which I don't want to do.

MIRACLE: Well, I just called Avera support again (1-866-528-1109) and got right to a guy who knows his stuff. He was friendly, patient, unassuming and down to earth. Probably ESL, but I had no problem communicating with him and we solved both technical issues I'm having:

Problem 1. The endless loop (TV set to one channel, sound continuous and screen going WHITE/RED/BLUE/YELLOW/BLACK etc. staying 3 seconds on each... ad infinitum).

Solution:
a. Press the power button on the bottom right of display. I didn't know there were controls there, I initially and every time after turned it on with the remote.

b. Unplug

c. Plug back in

d. Turn on

Problem 2. Turning off Voice Guidance

Solution:
Press Menu on remote, go to Setup and scroll down. What I didn't realize was the fact that there's a 2nd page that you get to if you keep scrolling and the 2nd and last item on the 2nd page is Voice Guidance. By default it is On and you can change it to Off right there.
- - - -
I then told him about the damaged panel, the 2.25" scratch and he just said he couldn't help me with that. That's weird, because Newegg had the idea I could get RMA service from Avera as well as from Newegg and that it would be my choice which I wanted. That may be true, but this guy didn't hint that it's true. I just thanked him and said my goodbyes. I'll RMA through Newegg. Will I have them send me a replacement or refund? Should I continue with my Walmart order? I figure I should investigate Walmart's policies on returns.

why does avera have anything to do with a scratch! it didnt come from the factory like that did it? even if it did seems like neweggs fault? ugh thats tough if not happening in shipment.

still excited to get more samsung panels and not the 150$ one hehe (tho the price is amzing)
 

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It came looking very "new in the box." What would Newegg have to do with that? Unless it was boxed by Newegg, and I doubt that very seriously. It was probably scratched already when boxed at the factory, right? So, Avera should be willing to RMA it, but I know that Newegg is, so I figure why bother pressing Avera on the issue. Newegg tells me I have until Jan. 31 to set up the RMA, so lots of time.
 

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It came looking very "new in the box." What would Newegg have to do with that? Unless it was boxed by Newegg, and I doubt that very seriously. It was probably scratched already when boxed at the factory, right? So, Avera should be willing to RMA it, but I know that Newegg is, so I figure why bother pressing Avera on the issue. Newegg tells me I have until Jan. 31 to set up the RMA, so lots of time.

oh sorry i was confused, new in open box means returned. why would newegg have bought a returned tv from avera? someone else bought it opened it scratched it returned it because they scratched it. What else could have happened.
 

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oh sorry i was confused, new in open box means returned. why would newegg have bought a returned tv from avera? someone else bought it opened it scratched it returned it because they scratched it. What else could have happened.
[Edit: The scratch seems to be ~0.3" below the screen surface. That had to have happened by virtue of something in the factory, couldn't be done by a user]

How could Newegg sell a returned TV as new? It would have to be sold as a reburb AFAIK. It seemed obviously packaged by pros, probably in the factory in China. My take is that it was scratched in the factory and somehow escaped quality control. That's the only thing that makes ense to me. And I doubt that Avera would send a TV that had been returned by a customer and obviously scratched (if they took a good look at it) to Newegg as a new in the box TV (NITB)?

My Walmart Avera is ready for pickup right now, I'll probably pick it up in the morning, don't want to drive there at rush hour Friday evening in the dark, no hurries. Hope it's AOK. Could conceivably buy another from them, return my scratched one to Newegg for refund, saving me $50. Not sure about Walmart's return policies, though. They might insist on giving me gift card credit instead of refund in the event there's a problem with the TV.
 
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How could Newegg sell a returned TV as new? It would have to be sold as a reburb AFAIK. It seemed obviously packaged by pros, probably in the factory in China. My take is that it was scratched in the factory and somehow escaped quality control. That's the only thing that makes ense to me. And I doubt that Avera would send a TV that had been returned by a customer and obviously scratched (if they took a good look at it) to Newegg as a new in the box TV (NITB)?

My Walmart Avera is ready for pickup right now, I'll probably pick it up in the morning, don't want to drive there at rush hour Friday evening in the dark, no hurries. Hope it's AOK. Could conceivably buy another from them, return my scratched one to Newegg for refund, saving me $50. Not sure about Walmart's return policies, though. They might insist on giving me gift card credit instead of refund in the event there's a problem with the TV.

some reason i thought you said somewhere that it was NEW IN OPEN BOX.. i dont know what NITB new in the box? either way i say neweggs responsibility and dealing with avera would be a nightmare (shipping waiting etc) newegg on the otherhand should be very customer service oriented. Have you checked for firmware updates maybe via usb download?
 

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Ordered the avera from walmart to see how it compares to my sammy 6 series. Review seem to say it's best in gaming/pc monitor and that's all I plan on using it for.
 

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Ordered the avera from walmart to see how it compares to my sammy 6 series. Review seem to say it's best in gaming/pc monitor and that's all I plan on using it for.
Nice, please report here your experiences with it. I'm picking up one from Walmart tomorrow and am looking at the one from Newgg (that's going back because of the scratch on the screen).
 

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Been toying with the idea of getting one of the 2017 models at WM. I do need a TV for the bedroom, but I was mostly looking at 32", but I wanted 1080P, and most 32" sets at the non-smart, budget level, are all 720P. (Ugh!). For the price of $150, there's really seemingly no better option at that price range, and I'm already really happy with my other Avera 40" 4K UHD TVs, at least for use as PC monitors.

PS. Verizon recently is upgrading their TV services, to "Verizon FIOS TV One" or something like that. Anyways, they mention 4K in the press release, so perhaps they will start carrying 4K channels, to compete with Netflix? Or maybe they'll start carrying 4K Netflix on their STBs? I don't know. But that's another reason to get a 4K TV for the bedroom.

Edit: Hmm, WM is showing $169.99. You snooze, you lose, I guess. Sigh. Not paying that much for it, if it's been selling for $149.99.
 

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Been playing with the Avera 40" 4K some (not games!). My gripe with using it for a computer monitor in my downstairs kitchen location is based on these factors at the moment:

1. When I put my computer to sleep this monitor does NOT go to sleep. It stays active with a moving small window saying "No input." In that state the screen emits a dim glow all over and my Kill-a-watt reports 45 watts, barely less than the 47 watts when the computer is on (i.e. not asleep). That annoys because the screen is beckoning a signal and is using a lot of juice, juice which would cost me $50/year, maybe more. I don't know for sure, but suspect that Samsung (and probably other) panels would go into a low-energy-consuming sleep mode when the PC goes to sleep. I have a 23" Samsung display that does just that, an Acer too. They wake quickly from those sleep modes.

2. If you turn this Avera off to save yourself the 47 watts and annoying screen image, you have to turn it on again to get service. It takes ~16 seconds to turn on. That might be OK for a lot of people but for my downstairs computer, which gets a lot of intermittent service, it would be a serious drag.

3. Actually, I don't know about this one but I surmise that a lot of these multi-input displays have an auto-detect feature. Thus, if I have two PCs attached it automatically switches to the input that's active. This display AFAIK has no such thing going on and I have to use the remote (or side buttons) to select the active display.

So, I'm thinking this might work OK for me upstairs where I don't do a lot of computing, but downstairs I want a different display or set of displays such as what I've been using, a 23" and 19" in multiple display configuration.

Edit: A day later I am coming to realize that what I see as limitations of this display are probably not its own but are limitations of its class of displays. This video I just watched makes the case that your 4K HDMI 2.0 displays are not going to feature a low power standby mode, for example. And they're going to turn off automatically after sensing no input signal after around 15 minutes. I discovered that this Avera does turn itself off like that. Turning it back on takes 16 seconds from button press. My Acer 23" takes 14 seconds but I have been leaving it in standby, from which it recovers in a couple seconds. Not possible with this Avera display, and AFAIK any 4K display?
 
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WM is showing $169.99. You snooze, you lose, I guess. Sigh. Not paying that much for it, if it's been selling for $149.99.
I was astounded to see the $149.99 offer, haven't seen it elsewhere selling for less than the $189.99 that they were asking earlier. Wondered how long it would stay so cheap. Not surprised they've bumped it, the supply/demand curve would still show them in the cat bird seat where they have it priced right now.
 

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I just picked up the Avera 40EQX20 from Walmart, have it home unopened in box. The box looks rough treated but not as much as the one I brought back to Walmart a week or two ago, so I accepted it. I didn't notice one thing: The box is missing the two yellow plastic straps that wrapped my others. Also, the clear tape over the seams, it looks to be in addition to the original tape, so two layers! I have to think this isn't kosher. They maybe gave me one that someone returned or a floor model, whatever. From the factory I have to think those straps were there. Well, I'm not positive both boxes I had before had the strapping, but the one that I did open from Newegg had them, and that box seemed very new in the box, indeed. This does not appear as new in the box, even before opening.

Should I open this thing or just bring it back and grouse?
 
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Been toying with the idea of getting one of the 2017 models at WM. I do need a TV for the bedroom, but I was mostly looking at 32", but I wanted 1080P, and most 32" sets at the non-smart, budget level, are all 720P. (Ugh!). For the price of $150, there's really seemingly no better option at that price range, and I'm already really happy with my other Avera 40" 4K UHD TVs, at least for use as PC monitors.

PS. Verizon recently is upgrading their TV services, to "Verizon FIOS TV One" or something like that. Anyways, they mention 4K in the press release, so perhaps they will start carrying 4K channels, to compete with Netflix? Or maybe they'll start carrying 4K Netflix on their STBs? I don't know. But that's another reason to get a 4K TV for the bedroom.

Edit: Hmm, WM is showing $169.99. You snooze, you lose, I guess. Sigh. Not paying that much for it, if it's been selling for $149.99.


Order summary
Order subtotal
$149.99​
Walmart shipping
FREE​
Total tax:
$9.00​
Order total:
$158.99


:D
 

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Order summary
Subtotal(1 item)$149.99
Pickup Free
$7.00 (recycling fee)
Tax$14.62 (almost 10% here)
Total $171.61