Bands that were huge but never should have been that popular

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Meh, you're just hating on the Beatles because it's the hip way to appear non-conformist. Your opinion is duly noted and fully ignored.

Yeah, that's it. It can't be that I truly do not like their music despite being exposed to it as a kid and then giving it another shot this past year, culminating seeing "Love" in vegas with my wife. Both of us came out thinking we didn't like the music much and didn't see why so many people liked it. If anything, it's parents wishing for a bygone age and kids assuming their demigod elevation by wistful parents.

Really now, the only way you can truly counter me is to dismiss me as a lemming? Great way to win an argument.

Fine if you don't like the Beatles....I'm not a huge fan, either, but to deny that they are one of the most influential bands in the history of music is the same as denying that the sun comes up in the East every morning. In other words, it's a stupid position to take.

All that stuff on that Wiki link was NOT being done elsewhere. And countless singers, songwriters, bands, etc, have cited the Beatles as being influences. If you say you're not aware of this, only two conclusions can be made: You're either very uninformed, or you're simply trolling.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: MiataNC
Google Beatles influence and then do some reading...

Then google a band you think is more influential and read up on them...

Compare notes, and see if you still hold the same opinion about the Beatles...

And chances are, as you're reading up on most any band you think is more influential, you'll find an interview with one of the members somewhere that cite the Beatles as one of their influences.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: jjones
Nirvana

Hell, yes. All they did was come along at the right time, when people were getting tired of hair metal (which, IMO, had a lot of good bands, but like today's crap, was pushed on us too much).
So here comes Nirvana playing 3 barre chords and singing very basic, high-school band level rock. Only talented musician in the band was Dave Grohl. You had the best guitar player in the band playing drums instead. Not to mention he was a better singer than Kurt Cocaine.

But Kurt died while they were popular, and like so many other undeserving stars before him....Jim Morrison, James Dean, etc, was elevated to godlike status, instead of getting to ride the backside of the popularity wave back into clubs and eventual oblivion. All the rest of grunge is essentially gone now, and so would be Nirvana.
Pearl Jam is the only one left, and they don't sell albums anymore. Their last 3 have only gone Gold. Same thing would have happened to Nirvana, IMO.

Same thing would have happened to the Doors, too. And if all were still alive, they'd be touring with multiple older acts to try and sell tickets.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: amoeba
I gotta agree with KISS.

I think U2's body of work is good enough to where they deserve a lot of their fame.

Yeah, people only think of U2's recent stuff, not their 80s and early 90s albums.

 

[Jadow]

Haven't read this tread, but if anybody says The Four Seaons, they're automatically on several mob hit lists, so be careful!

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: jjones
Nirvana

Hell, yes. All they did was come along at the right time, when people were getting tired of hair metal (which, IMO, had a lot of good bands, but like today's crap, was pushed on us too much).
So here comes Nirvana playing 3 barre chords and singing very basic, high-school band level rock. Only talented musician in the band was Dave Grohl. You had the best guitar player in the band playing drums instead. Not to mention he was a better singer than Kurt Cocaine.

But Kurt died while they were popular, and like so many other undeserving stars before him....Jim Morrison, James Dean, etc, was elevated to godlike status, instead of getting to ride the backside of the popularity wave back into clubs and eventual oblivion. All the rest of grunge is essentially gone now, and so would be Nirvana.
Pearl Jam is the only one left, and they don't sell albums anymore. Their last 3 have only gone Gold. Same thing would have happened to Nirvana, IMO.

Same thing would have happened to the Doors, too. And if all were still alive, they'd be touring with multiple older acts to try and sell tickets.

I think you're under-selling Cobain's writing skills. I think In Utero started to show more capability, and we don't know where it would have gone from there. And you should know song complexity doesn't make it good... look at America's "Horse With No Name", that has what, two chords?
But I won't deny that their vast popularity was right place/right time, it could have been any of the grunge bands.

 

[kage69]

Can't say I understand the disapproval thrown towards The Beatles and U2 in this thread, but couldn't agree more concerning the consensus on Creed. Stapp the vocals is one hell of an assh0le, and a total holy-roller (wait, is that redundant?)
Manufactured music a la NSYNC and Spice Girls is also pretty low on my worth meter. I feel sorry for people who get excited over Slipknot, for instance. If music was porn, Slipknot fans would be 'furries.'

 

[BrokenVisage]

Pearl Jam
AC/DC
Creed
Tool

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
don't see how so many people can say U2

U2's old stuff was amazing

by that logic Metallica should be there as well

Seriously.. I don't even like Joshua Tree that much but I can appreciate the songs in it. I think that people like to interject their misguided haltered of Bono onto the band and that's why you have so many people saying they shouldn't be as big as they are.

Achtung Baby is their best stuff in my opinion.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: kage69
Can't say I understand the disapproval thrown towards The Beatles and U2 in this thread, but couldn't agree more concerning the consensus on Creed. Stapp the vocals is one hell of an assh0le, and a total holy-roller (wait, is that redundant?)
Manufactured music a la NSYNC and Spice Girls is also pretty low on my worth meter. I feel sorry for people who get excited over Slipknot, for instance. If music was porn, Slipknot fans would be 'furries.'

what about Slipknot? Can't say that especially excite me or anything, but the one album, Vol 3: The Subliminal Verses... was an album with great production value and had some great tunes that showcased a more melodic style. Don't know much about their earlier recordings though, but I've heard they were vastly different.

+

 

[Farang]

The Cure.

I fucking hate The Cure and their emo lead singer.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: SirPorl
Some bands that were huge but shouldn't have been in my sheltered mind hmmmm

Limp Bisquik
Creed
Fuel
Nicklebag
311


Just never got into their sounds

Fuel was actually better than I would have imagined. They opened up at a concert I went to and it made me buy a couple of their albums.

 

[eplebnista]

The Monkees

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Why the hell would you say the Beatles? They are one of the greatest bands in history...

So was Whitesnake. For all of the wrong reasons.

Now you're wrong twice.

If Whitesnake was one of the greatest bands in history then William Hung is a fantastic singer and should have made and won American Idol.

 

[Spineshank]

Rolling Stones.

 

[Lurker1]

I like the way people here pick on bands they hate. I'd think that looking back with a critical eye at bands you actually liked at one time would be a better list. Take the following bands, for instance:

The Beatles
* U2
* Nirvana
* AC/DC
* Tool
* Metallica
* The Rolling Stones

Every single one of those bands made it big despite being against the common grain. I may not like several of those now, but I can't deny that they have/had something at one time.

Now, for acts that truly fall into my list of "bad" bands/acts that never should have been:
* Tiffany
* Debbie Gibson
* N-Sync
* Madonna
* BackStreet Boys
* Spice Girls
* Creed
* Nickelback
* Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus
* Evanescence
* Limp Bizkit
* Aerosmith, part 2
* pretty much any rap group/act since the early 80s

Those all have something in common. Each one was heavily produced/promoted based on formulaic RIAA member profit motives.

And then there's the group of no talent ass-clowns that I truly despise and just won't die:
* Celine Dion
* Michael Bolton
* Michael McDonald
* Kenny G
* Pearl Jam

That list by no means is exhaustive. (And I know including Pearl Jam on there is going to raise some eye brows, but their best song is an almost exact copy of something recorded in the 60s/70s. These guys truly have no talent, other than to make me wanna puke.)

Now for the ranking process if you've made it this far. You know a "big" band truly sucks
when they dissappear from radio play pretty much forever shortly after they come out. It may be a 5 year window, but they disappear, and they'll only come back when some DJ somewhere pulls it out in a fit of nostalgia (provided there's any real DJs left on commercial radio by then) and remarks "wow, that really does suck" and puts it back in the back row again forever. My second grouping falls into that list, or will when they finally go away and quit producing new crap that gets forced down the sheep's throats.

The last grouping just suck, and I have no explanation other than the masses are easily mollified and like lemmings just follow the one in front of them.

And about the notes on Nirvana and 3 cords, etc. Ever listen to the first songs of the Beatles? Johnny Cash? Elvis? Metallica? The fact that the songs struck home and had musical ability written all over them is what appealed to people about Nirvana, and why they were great. Check Nirvana's Nevermind out for musical styles and melodies, and compare to something contemporary on the suck list, like Evanescence for example, and you'll see why a great sounding voice that can sing only in 1 key with limited range and a single melody sucks as compared to Kurt, who admittedly had a crappy sounding voice but didn't mind stretching it significantly and had much better effect.

Oh, and most good/great bands have terrible singers, when measured against voice quality etc, at least by my reckoning. Pat Benetar, for example, had a great voice, 4 octave range, opera trained, could sing multiple keys. She had a good run, but her music pretty much has disappeared. Contrast that with someone like Trent Reznor, who has a relatively bad voice, but songs from his first album still get airplay.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Farang
The Cure.

I fucking hate The Cure and their emo lead singer.

emo lead singer? what? So many peope are losing credibility in this thread.....

 

[meltdown75]

that's the most craptastic thing i've ever read on the internet... Pearl Jam kicks ass.

the only reason this thread got so many replies is because it appealed to the hater element. hater threads will always win at ATOT.

 

[xanis]

Pretty much any mainstream rap/hip-hop "artist" since 2000 or so. The crap from the likes of Lil' John and T-Pain (or whoever the hell else is popular these days) that has infested the radio has been, IMO, some of the worst music ever to be heard on this earth.

EDIT: Also any shitty hardcore or punk band such as The Sex Pistols or Chiodos.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
that's the most craptastic thing i've ever read on the internet... Pearl Jam kicks ass.

the only reason this thread got so many replies is because it appealed to the hater element. hater threads will always win at ATOT.

LOL, the guy's list is a joke (although some think mine was also). Celine Dion? My wife listens to her and, I hate to admit it, it's decent music. She obviously has a great voice, far better than most "good" singers and does pretty good music.

And *all* rap? Please, I don't like rap a lot and I think there's some OK stuff.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Xanis
Pretty much any mainstream rap/hip-hop "artist" since 2000 or so. The crap from the likes of Lil' John and T-Pain (or whoever the hell else is popular these days) that has infested the radio has been, IMO, some of the worst music ever to be heard on this earth.

EDIT: Also any shitty hardcore or punk band such as The Sex Pistols or Chiodos.

Bwahahaha, this thread is hilarious. :laugh:

KT

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Xanis
Pretty much any mainstream rap/hip-hop "artist" since 2000 or so. The crap from the likes of Lil' John and T-Pain (or whoever the hell else is popular these days) that has infested the radio has been, IMO, some of the worst music ever to be heard on this earth.

EDIT: Also any shitty hardcore or punk band such as The Sex Pistols or Chiodos.

Bwahahaha, this thread is hilarious. :laugh:

KT

Hey, you know it's true. They wouldn't even let their bass player play when they performed live because he was that bad.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: jjones
Nirvana

Hell, yes. All they did was come along at the right time, when people were getting tired of hair metal (which, IMO, had a lot of good bands, but like today's crap, was pushed on us too much).
So here comes Nirvana playing 3 barre chords and singing very basic, high-school band level rock. Only talented musician in the band was Dave Grohl. You had the best guitar player in the band playing drums instead. Not to mention he was a better singer than Kurt Cocaine.

But Kurt died while they were popular, and like so many other undeserving stars before him....Jim Morrison, James Dean, etc, was elevated to godlike status, instead of getting to ride the backside of the popularity wave back into clubs and eventual oblivion. All the rest of grunge is essentially gone now, and so would be Nirvana.
Pearl Jam is the only one left, and they don't sell albums anymore. Their last 3 have only gone Gold. Same thing would have happened to Nirvana, IMO.

Same thing would have happened to the Doors, too. And if all were still alive, they'd be touring with multiple older acts to try and sell tickets.

Nirvana was not the most talented band ever, they were passable musicians with passable talent, but they practically started a genre of music. They certainly are a very influential band in the genre. I don't imagine there would be an Alica in Chains without them, or a Pearl Jam for that matter.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
that's the most craptastic thing i've ever read on the internet... Pearl Jam kicks ass.

the only reason this thread got so many replies is because it appealed to the hater element. hater threads will always win at ATOT.

QFT.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Xanis
Pretty much any mainstream rap/hip-hop "artist" since 2000 or so. The crap from the likes of Lil' John and T-Pain (or whoever the hell else is popular these days) that has infested the radio has been, IMO, some of the worst music ever to be heard on this earth.

EDIT: Also any shitty hardcore or punk band such as The Sex Pistols or Chiodos.

Bwahahaha, this thread is hilarious. :laugh:

KT

Hey, you know it's true. They wouldn't even let their bass player play when they performed live because he was that bad.

Well, I like the Sex Pistols, but some of there songs are just plain awful. I never knew that about their bass player either.

That said, their good stuff overrides their bad stuff.