Bands that were huge but never should have been that popular

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Xonoahbin
LegendKiller, I just have to say that I truly believe you're insane. If the Beatles weren't revolutionary, which band ever was? They were geniuses.. I'm 17 and I recognize that they were probably one of the greatest bands ever. To each his own, but I have no idea how you can remotely contend that they weren't anything special.


By the way, Legend, You say you got a real solution.. well, you know, we don't love to see the plan.

Geniuses? Hardly.

What a quandary, take the experts word on it or some Internet knuckleheads word.

"experts"? This isn't a formula, it's an art. People appreciate it at different levels. I wouldn't pay tens of thousands for a picasso, but people pay millions. Art "experts" claim it's worth it, I don't think so.

People try to refute me when it comes down to something much more "real", finance, but I don't see you jumping in calling them "knuckleheads" and I am closer to an "expert" in a real topic.

Perhaps you should step back and realize the smoke your blowing.

Yeah I should have been more direct and said your opinion means squat as you don't seem to have a clue. Sorry about the knucklehead label.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: MiataNC
You don't have to like them, but only a fool on a hill would discount them.

:thumbsup:

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah I should have been more direct and said your opinion means squat as you don't seem to have a clue. Sorry about the knucklehead label.

Opinions are like assholes.

I don't think people who put the Beatles on a pedestal of a clue, but that's just my opinion. As I said, it isn't something we can prove definitively since it's in the eye of the beholder.

 

[amoeba]

Alright Legend, who do you think is very influential, deserving of their fame?

 

[MiataNC]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: MiataNC

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Why the hell would you say the Beatles? They are one of the greatest bands in history...

So was Whitesnake. For all of the wrong reasons.

Anyone who does not understand the importance and impact of the Beatles, does not know a damn thing about music.

You don't have to like them, but only a fool on a hill would discount them.

So what exactly was their influence. Provide a linear progression from one bad to another, stating changes on songs that occured, showing how it branched out into the broader category of "music" which encompasses everything being done in those days, including branches into rock/heavy/metal, and other forms.

Those that elevate boy bands to demigod status, claiming they had monumental impact on all of music, do not know what they think they know.

Besides, it's an opinion, there's no need to insult people.

Here's just the tip of the iceberg.
Beatles Influence

I love the Beatles though I understand they're not for everyone. I think their influence is undeniable.. I really am not going to take the time to give you direct influences because frankly that request is kind of obtuse.

To call them a boy band is really half true. They *were* the first 'boy band' and they were marketed as such.. however the difference is that they were also amazing songwriters and pioneers. Harrison and Lennon are undeniably a wealth of creative genius. They wrote so many songs and licks it's unreal. There are very few musicians blessed with that kind of ability.. regardless of yours or my opinion of them as a group.

And yes, insulting someone over a subjective opinion is a fools game.. but his message is valid; it's almost impossible not to recognize their influence on modern music.

I didn't see one thing there that was "revolutionary" or had much of an impact on things that wasn't already being done elsewhere. It was pop rock, pure and simple.

There are far more talented writer/singer/performers out there.

I don't see the influence. As far as googling it, wow, I am going to go to fanbois to get objective opinion...great.

I respect your opinion about the Beatles LK, but how can you read through that wiki page I pasted and say none of those things had an impact on music? Use of feedback, artificial double tracking, close miking, etc..

And yes, it was pop rock.. but with brilliant arrangements and lyrics. To compare that to something like a modern boy band is pretty much unbelievable in my opinion.

Many of the things were "beatles first" not "music first" events. Others were "beatles first" only because they were popular and had access to it, not that they were innovating it.

There's a huge difference between driving change and being given change.

I would agree that they are distinct from many modern day boybands because they actually created their own music. However, there are still far more influential people who were far more talented. It seems to me that people elevate the beatles far too highly.

Are you saying Sargent Peppers or the White album were not music firsts?

Name any other band or person at the time that put out anything as cutting edge or as innovative.

Name anyone else at the time more influential.

I will agree there were more talented people out there, but none had the impact, reach, or long term success of the Beatles.

Women literally peed themselves and passed out at Beatles concerts. I can't think of more than a handful of groups that could even come close to creating that kind of hysteria.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: amoeba
Alright Legend, who do you think is very influential, deserving of their fame?

Weird Al.

 

[venkman]

Elvis

 

[OutHouse]

MY list

The Stones (band and music sucks people fall for the image).

then KISS (i heard a KISS song the other day and man it was very weak, lacking in everything and just plain sucked the song was Lick it up. funny i liked that song when it came out but GS says "lick it up" like two thousand times)
dokken
Cinderella
Poison
bon jovi
bullet boys

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: amoeba
Alright Legend, who do you think is very influential, deserving of their fame?

Weird Al.

Weird Al doesn't write his music.......

 

[abaez]

Originally posted by: Summit
Beatles are the 70's version of N'Sync. I said it.

Minus the fact that all their albums came out in the 50's and 60's and they broke up in '69.

 

[ThePresence]

I don't know how people can say Nirvana. Sure, they may have not been musical geniuses but they practically started a whole genre of music.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: Citrix
MY list

The Stones (band and music sucks people fall for the image).

Problem with the Stones is that they have good songs but they also have a ton of bad songs. But I am able to overlook the bad songs as songs like Gimme Shelter, Sympathy for the Devil just too good for me.

Its like if somebody else turns out Beethoven's 9th and then proceeded to produce nothing but dreck for the rest of their life, I still give them a lot of credit.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: MiataNC

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Why the hell would you say the Beatles? They are one of the greatest bands in history...

So was Whitesnake. For all of the wrong reasons.

Anyone who does not understand the importance and impact of the Beatles, does not know a damn thing about music.

You don't have to like them, but only a fool on a hill would discount them.

So what exactly was their influence. Provide a linear progression from one bad to another, stating changes on songs that occured, showing how it branched out into the broader category of "music" which encompasses everything being done in those days, including branches into rock/heavy/metal, and other forms.

Those that elevate boy bands to demigod status, claiming they had monumental impact on all of music, do not know what they think they know.

Besides, it's an opinion, there's no need to insult people.

Here's just the tip of the iceberg.
Beatles Influence

I love the Beatles though I understand they're not for everyone. I think their influence is undeniable.. I really am not going to take the time to give you direct influences because frankly that request is kind of obtuse.

To call them a boy band is really half true. They *were* the first 'boy band' and they were marketed as such.. however the difference is that they were also amazing songwriters and pioneers. Harrison and Lennon are undeniably a wealth of creative genius. They wrote so many songs and licks it's unreal. There are very few musicians blessed with that kind of ability.. regardless of yours or my opinion of them as a group.

And yes, insulting someone over a subjective opinion is a fools game.. but his message is valid; it's almost impossible not to recognize their influence on modern music.

I didn't see one thing there that was "revolutionary" or had much of an impact on things that wasn't already being done elsewhere. It was pop rock, pure and simple.

There are far more talented writer/singer/performers out there.

I don't see the influence. As far as googling it, wow, I am going to go to fanbois to get objective opinion...great.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478049/
This is some perspective on the 'influence' of the beatles and john lennon.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: amoeba
Alright Legend, who do you think is very influential, deserving of their fame?

Weird Al.

Weird Al doesn't write his music.......

It was a joke.

Sabbath, Floyd, LZ, Hendrix, cream.

as you can see, I am not much of a pop rock person.

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Madonna
Beatles
Brittney Spears
The Umbrella song chick
Black Eyed Peas

??

 

[Rock Hydra]

HIM (not as huge here but in Finland they're legendary. Nonetheless, they're crap.)

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Madonna
Beatles
Brittney Spears
The Umbrella song chick
Black Eyed Peas

??

Good catch. I don't think anyone else picked up on that.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Cradle of Filth.
They pretty much are crappy wanna be gothy black metal. They suck. But they seem to be very famous for some reason that I don't understand.

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I don't know how people can say Nirvana. Sure, they may have not been musical geniuses but they practically started a whole genre of music.

I only mention it because had they come out right now, I don't think they would be very popular at all. Don't get me wrong, I love Nirvana and have much respect for them, but to me it was more that they just released Nevermind at the right time when all that was needed was an album like that to put hair metal and that glam shit in its grave.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Rock Hydra
HIM (not as huge here but in Finland they're legendary. Nonetheless, they're crap.)

Hasslehoff is a legend

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: amoeba
Alright Legend, who do you think is very influential, deserving of their fame?

Weird Al.

Weird Al doesn't write his music.......

Um, yeah, he does, and quite well.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I don't know how people can say Nirvana. Sure, they may have not been musical geniuses but they practically started a whole genre of music.

I only mention it because had they come out right now, I don't think they would be very popular at all. Don't get me wrong, I love Nirvana and have much respect for them, but to me it was more that they just released Nevermind at the right time when all that was needed was an album like that to put hair metal and that glam shit in its grave.

True. But if The Beatles came out today they would be nothing as well. Music has progressed, built upon what they contributed and moved on.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I don't know how people can say Nirvana. Sure, they may have not been musical geniuses but they practically started a whole genre of music.

because they were not anywhere near the best of the grunge movement yet get all the credit, i give them a 6/10

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: amoeba
Alright Legend, who do you think is very influential, deserving of their fame?

Weird Al.

Weird Al doesn't write his music.......

Um, yeah, he does, and quite well.

I think he meant in the sense that he more or less samples, or roughly uses other's base music. He obviously writes his own lyrics and such.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I don't know how people can say Nirvana. Sure, they may have not been musical geniuses but they practically started a whole genre of music.

because they were not anywhere near the best of the grunge movement yet get all the credit, i give them a 6/10

They don't have to be the best to be the most influential.