Bands that got better with age

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: Ns1

In honor of this post, I'm firing up Eulogy. Feels like 4 minutes, goes on for 8. w00t.

Get off your fucking cross, we need the space. (and drop the hippie avatar - I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!)

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
I think Tool might fit this criteria.

Opiate and Undertow were incredibly solid, Aenima raised the bar even further, and Lateralus was downright fantastic. However, while I think 10,000 Days is a solid album, it doesn't quite measure up to Aenima or Lateralus.

I wanted to say Tool too, but Ænima is just so much better than 10,000 Days and Lateralus. And don't get me wrong, the last two albums are very good, but they're not Ænima. Jambi is still one of my favorite songs regardless of that though.

Ahh.. a whole nother debate, but I think alot of people that were on Maynard's level back in the day aren't really digging the latest cd because of the spiritual and borderline christian overtones. He used to be like "FUCK GOD FUCK YOUR CHRIST" and now he's like "God is Good, and if wasn't for Jesus, my mom would have died and I wouldn't be the man I am" AND the whole "get right with Jesus and beware of the devil" phrasing found throught his Puscifer CD.

He's a christian (maybe not a bible thumper but he's still a Jesus lover) who wont admit it because if he did, nobody would listen to him.

Doesn't count, that line is from A Perfect Circle

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: Ns1

In honor of this post, I'm firing up Eulogy. Feels like 4 minutes, goes on for 8. w00t.

Get off your fucking cross, we need the space. (and drop the hippie avatar - I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!)

hippie avatar rocks =P

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
...just thought of this one, and I'm POSITIVE it will rankle the "true fan" types but...

The Mars Volta. In fact it's a straight progression. Deloused in the Comatourium<Frances The Mute<Amputecture<The Bedlam in Goliath

It's really funny, I was considering this because the more time I spend with the recent albums, the more I love them and appreciate them. I haven't spent enough time with Bedlam to make that assertion completely, but it was definitely one I was pondering.

KT

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Porcupine Tree

The last few albums are his best work.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Beatles, although it kinda goes against the spirit of the question when you quit (or die) before you're even 30 years old. Hendrix comes to mind too, now that I wrote that.

There's something about approaching 40 that tends to make for increasingly crappy music.

 

[eplebnista]

Aerosmith

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: Ns1

Everything later on just seemed too long and drawn out.

Man, that's the best part. There are so many songs that I love that go up to like, 4 minutes and change, where I would love for it to go on for 9 minutes. You say long and drawn out, I say epic =P

:thumbsup: I am down with Tool's long, drawn-out epicness.

Lost Keys = Long and drawn out
Vigniti Tres = Long and drawn out
Intension = Long and drawn out

These tracks made 10,000 days go from being a 5-star album to being 4 star IMO.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: Ns1

Everything later on just seemed too long and drawn out.

Man, that's the best part. There are so many songs that I love that go up to like, 4 minutes and change, where I would love for it to go on for 9 minutes. You say long and drawn out, I say epic =P

:thumbsup: I am down with Tool's long, drawn-out epicness.

Lost Keys = Long and drawn out
Vigniti Tres = Long and drawn out
Intension = Long and drawn out

These tracks made 10,000 days go from being a 5-star album to being 4 star IMO.

Lost Keys is clutch leading into Rosetta Stoned; more of a preface if you will. Intension is also the perfect preface to Right in Two. Viginti Tres is just ambient noise to me. No different from the 5+ minute "intermission" in pink floyd - echoes.

Lipan Conjuring, however, now that's just and odd obscure track that I only listen to when under the influence of many, many hallucinogenic drugs.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Ns1

Of course, it would be a much more fun argument if we cut it in half...

# The Piper at the Gates of Dawn (1967)
# A Saucerful of Secrets (1968)
# Soundtrack from the Film More (1969)
# Ummagumma (1969)
# Atom Heart Mother (1970)
# Meddle (1971)
# Obscured by Clouds (1972)

vs

# The Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
# Wish You Were Here (1975)
# Animals (1977)
# The Wall (1979)
# The Final Cut (1983)
# A Momentary Lapse of Reason (1987)
# The Division Bell (1994)

If we do it that way, then I would agree that the 2nd half is better.

That's the argument, I think. Except Meddle and Obscured by clouds should be included with the second half. Meddle marks that solid transition point into the glory years. They were touring early DSoTM for the second set of their Meddle tour.

besides, Meddle is a fantastic album. I have a few friends that prefer it above all their other work.

I've always thought "The final cut" was underrated IMHO, such more emotion than a typical Floyd album and an incredible job of recording/production as well..

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Porcupine Tree

The last few albums are his best work.

Hmm, tough call. I'll have to do a PT marathon tomorrow to see if I agree or disagree.

KT

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Uh... Pink Floyd?
(not that I don't love early Floyd, of course)
Obviously we're discounting post-breakup Floyd albums.

Originally posted by: ballmode
beatles

Floyd? Are you high on crack? The stuff they did in the 70s was their peak.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i agree with ns1's breakdown of pink floyd, and agree with the beatles - as long as it doesn't include post-breakup stuff.

to those that answered:

metallica
aerosmith
red hot chili peppers
rolling stones

put down the crack pipes

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
i agree with ns1's breakdown of pink floyd, and agree with the beatles - as long as it doesn't include post-breakup stuff.

to those that answered:

metallica
aerosmith
red hot chili peppers
rolling stones

put down the crack pipes

LOL...

As far as Metallica goes.. LOL, I can see how someone could think that.. If they didn't like metal.. lol

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not. :laugh:

Stockholm is one of my favourite songs of theirs for sure. I like all of the old albums, I just feel as if each new album, as a whole, has been better than the previous one.

KT

Well, I didn't really mention it in there, but I've talked about how much political crap is in their newest album. I like the sound of the album (Map of the Problematique, Assassin and Knights of Cydonia all sound really good), but sometimes the political stuff is just too much. The Watchmen trailer #2 actually uses the first track off the Black Holes and Revelations album in the latter part of the trailer. But I believe that their peak was with Origins of Symmetry. So far, it's their only album in which I'll listen to almost all of it, but I usually skip tracks 5, 9 and 10. On Origin of Symmetry, I skip 10 and 11.

Actually, it seems I mixed up some of their albums... it should be:

Showbiz
Origin of Symmetry
Hullabaloo (live album)
Absolution
Black Holes and Revelations

With that proper ordering, I think it's really hard to say that Muse got better, because Origin of Symmetry is rather good. It's more like the band works in a Sine wave of goodness .

Whoops, missed this yesterday.

See I never even noticed the political undertones to the album until it was pointed out to me here, I think by you actually.

I haven't listened to Symmetry in its entirety in a while, so I'll have to do so and see if I agree with you, but I think I like Black Holes better.

KT

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Porcupine Tree

The last few albums are his best work.

His? I'm pretty sure Gavin Harrison helps with songwriting. Steven Wilson's completely original work goes under his name I believe.. like the new Insurgentes

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Uh... Pink Floyd?
(not that I don't love early Floyd, of course)
Obviously we're discounting post-breakup Floyd albums.

Floyd? Are you high on crack? The stuff they did in the 70s was their peak.

Like I said, that's discounting post-breakup, so nothing after The Wall.
That amends Ns1's list to be more like this:

# The Piper at the Gates of Dawn (1967)
# A Saucerful of Secrets (1968)
# Soundtrack from the Film More (1969)
# Ummagumma (1969)
# Atom Heart Mother (1970)
# Meddle (1971)
# Obscured by Clouds (1972)

vs

# The Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
# Wish You Were Here (1975)
# Animals (1977)
# The Wall (1979)

Do you agree now? Even if we move Obscured by Clouds to the latter half, it still holds up.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Porcupine Tree

The last few albums are his best work.

His? I'm pretty sure Gavin Harrison helps with songwriting. Steven Wilson's completely original work goes under his name I believe.. like the new Insurgentes

Gavin didn't join PT until "In Absentia" which was released in 2002, and he very well may be the reason I like newer PT versus the original PT. Regardless, the first few PT albums were all Wilson.

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Hmm, tough call. I'll have to do a PT marathon tomorrow to see if I agree or disagree.

KT

I tend to prefer Heavy Metal/Heavy Prog/Prog Metal, and while I do like PTs earlier work I'm just not much into Psychedelic/Experimental Rock, so I prefer the newer PT.

Enjoy the marathon!

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Hmm, tough call. I'll have to do a PT marathon tomorrow to see if I agree or disagree.

KT

I tend to prefer Heavy Metal/Heavy Prog/Prog Metal, and while I do like PTs earlier work I'm just not much into Psychedelic/Experimental Rock, so I prefer the newer PT.

Enjoy the marathon!

Almost finished with In Absentia and so far you are right, it is the best album of the ones I've progressed through. Let's see what Deadwing and Blank Planet bring to the table...

KT
Edit: I am thoroughly enjoying it by the way.

 

[clamum]

Nirvana.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Hmm, tough call. I'll have to do a PT marathon tomorrow to see if I agree or disagree.

KT

I tend to prefer Heavy Metal/Heavy Prog/Prog Metal, and while I do like PTs earlier work I'm just not much into Psychedelic/Experimental Rock, so I prefer the newer PT.

Enjoy the marathon!

Almost finished with In Absentia and so far you are right, it is the best album of the ones I've progressed through. Let's see what Deadwing and Blank Planet bring to the table...

KT
Edit: I am thoroughly enjoying it by the way.

I would love to do a PT marathon as well, but with work right now I just can't. Maybe soon.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: yh125d
Zao
System Of A Down
Fall Out Boy
RHCP

wow, someone else has heard of Zao. What rev are they on now? I know of at least three different groups of band members that were Zao.

Anyway, I think one of the best examples is Aerosmith. They really hit their stride later in their career.

 

[SP33Demon]

Avenged Sevenfold, Slipknot.

 

[Anubis]

Areosmith

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I haven't listened to Symmetry in its entirety in a while, so I'll have to do so and see if I agree with you, but I think I like Black Holes better.

KT

The sounds are a bit different between the two albums. OoS starts off kinda soft and really doesn't ever get too heavy. Plug-in Baby and Citizen Erased are kind of hard at times, but not much. I think OoS is also a bit more emo (which would explain the softness) than BHaR.

BHar's politicalness isn't too bad if you ignore the first track, which kinda makes you listen to the whole CD looking for political mumbo jumbo. Like the talk in Assassin about "taking your leaders down". I'm also pretty sure Supermassive Black Hole talks about global warming with the stuff about "glaciers melting in the heat of night" .