Bagram Airfield Crash 29 APR 2013

[mak16]

My BIL was a flight test engineer on that plane. Says he won't fly it commercially.

Which plane you are referring to?

 

[spacelord]

I hope I get the image of that video out of my brain before I fly next... yikes..

 

[AmdEmAll]

Which plane you are referring to?

Pretty sure he's talking about the 787.. id love to fly on one.

 

[Triumph]

CNN reports that the 747 was carrying 5 MRAPs.

i didn't know they had variants of 747 with a loading ramp.

 

[who?]

The 747 airframe is Boeings losing entry in the USAF cargo plane contest that was won by the C5 Galaxy. The cockpit is on top so that the nose of the plane can hinge up as a big cargo door as required by the AF. I don't know if it has a built in ramp or if they use an external ramp or elevator to load it.

 

[LTC8K6]

Some MRAPs will go in through the big side loading door.

I think only original 747F's have the nose door, and it was an option. An elevator is used for both the nose and side doors. I don't think many 747F's have a nose door.

http://fenesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Emirates-Freighter.jpg

N949CA would not have had a nose door since it was a pax version converted to a BCF version.

 

[LTC8K6]

Factory 747-400F's do not have the long hump on top like the pax version. If you see a 747 freighter with the long hump, it's a conversion.

Here is a factory 747-400F with the short "hump".
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2007-2/5/2390.jpg

Compare to the conversion with the long passenger "hump".
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/3/5/2080535.jpg

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/startup/747bcf.page

 

[LTC8K6]

http://evaint.com/industry-news/statement-from-national-air-cargo

National says Bagram was only a fuel stop. Nothing was done to the cargo at Bagram.

 

[twinrider1]

...Oh, and since we are talking about plane crashes, here is one from the cockpit (much smaller plane):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8

Gentlemen, I'd like to thank you all for flying Pine Cone Airlines. We've reached our regular cruising altitude of 75 feet and....tree!

 

[who?]

The 747-400F has the nose door.

 

[LTC8K6]

The 747-400F has the nose door.

Yes, that's why I used that picture. A factory 747-400F is basically the same fuselage as a 747-200 passenger version.

You can see the difference on the new 747-8i and 8F also.

Short hump vs long hump.

 

[Triumph]

Some MRAPs will go in through the big side loading door.

I think only original 747F's have the nose door, and it was an option. An elevator is used for both the nose and side doors. I don't think many 747F's have a nose door.

http://fenesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Emirates-Freighter.jpg

N949CA would not have had a nose door since it was a pax version converted to a BCF version.

MRAP's are quite quite large,even the smallest ones. I'm not seeing any of them fitting through that hole...

 

[LTC8K6]

MRAP's are quite quite large,even the smallest ones. I'm not seeing any of them fitting through that hole...

We have pictures of them being loaded through that hole. Atlas Air has carried 6 of them at a time in their 747's, loaded through the side door. So they would def fit in through a nose door.

There are several different types of MRAP. Some are smaller, some are larger. All are heavy. It's likely the 744 that crashed was carrying the Oshkosh M-ATV. IIRC, they have to let some air out of the tires to get them low enough to get in the door.

http://sobchak.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/747mrap.jpg

http://www.automobilemag.com/featur...tv_military_vehicle_afghanistan/photo_00.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_fJFdxc1HS8#t=48s

 

[LTC8K6]

This is a Humvee replacement.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/oshkosh-m-atv-specialty-file

Oshkosh M-ATV


Specifications

VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear/4-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 4-door truck

ESTIMATED PRICE AS TESTED - $1,437,000 (estimated base price: $437,000)

ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled pushrod 18-valve diesel inline-6, iron block and head, direct fuel injection

Displacement: 442 cu in, 7242cc
Power (SAE net): 370 bhp @ 2400 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 925 lb-ft @ 1440 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 6-speed automatic with manumatic shifting

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 154.8 in Length: 246.8 in
Width: 98.1 in Height: 105.0 in
Curb weight: 25,000 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 32.8 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 30.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 24.5 sec @ 54 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 65 mph
Braking, 60–0 mph: 269 ft
Roadholding, 200-ft-dia skidpad: 0.46 g

 

[Dari]

Another US crash today from that region

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22397266

 

[MarkXIX]

Another US crash today from that region

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22397266

Great, next month I get to fly out of Bagram to Manas and Manas back to the US! Not a good track record of late....

 

[brainhulk]

Great, next month I get to fly out of Bagram to Manas and Manas back to the US! Not a good track record of late....

Pls be safe and pack a parachute.

 

[MarkXIX]

Pls be safe and pack a parachute.

As long as C-17s don't start falling out of the sky, I should be okay.

 

[jemcam]

Great, next month I get to fly out of Bagram to Manas and Manas back to the US! Not a good track record of late....

I flew into Afghanistan through Manas and thought we were leaving the same way but they changed it at the last minute and we flew through Romania with a stopover in Germany. Romania was MUCH nicer that Kyrgyzstan.

 

[MarkXIX]

I flew into Afghanistan through Manas and thought we were leaving the same way but they changed it at the last minute and we flew through Romania with a stopover in Germany. Romania was MUCH nicer that Kyrgyzstan.

Well, I will keep my hopes up for that scenario then.

 

[ichy]

Several airliners have had much rougher beginnings of service, including fatal crashes, and still went on to become popular and reliable airliners.

All modern airliners have been astoundingly from the day they entered service. I believe the 777 has yet to have a passenger fatality.

 

[brainhulk]

nvm reposthttp://news.yahoo.com/u-military-plane-disappears-radar-kyrgyz-kazakh-border-102355010.html

 

[LTC8K6]

All modern airliners have been astoundingly from the day they entered service. I believe the 777 has yet to have a passenger fatality.

I'm an airplane nut, btw.

The A330-300 entered service around the same time. It had the famous test flight crash into the woods. It still went on to become a successful airliner, despite that really bad and mysterious beginning.

If a mysterious and hard to diagnose crash during a public demo/test flight didn't bother the A330-300's career, then Boeing probably has nothing to worry about.

AF447 was the next fatal crash involving the type, much later.

 

[ichy]

The mysterious crash into the woods was an A320.

 

[LTC8K6]

The mysterious crash into the woods was an A320.

Well, I meant the A330 test crash, but the A320 test crash is also a good example, although it was earlier than the 777 time frame.

Major problems during testing don't necessarily have dire consequences for the success of the plane.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19940630-0

The Sukhoi Superjet 100 at first seemed to be in sales trouble over it's accident, but that seems to have gone away now.