After living in South Florida for +20 years and going to school down here, I can safely say more than half the Haitians here are extremely violent. The other half range from being OK people to at least committing 1-2 crimes in their lifetime.
They actually walk around with their legs spread a little wider and hold onto the front of their pants with at least one hand to prevent them from falling down.
Then why don't people wear bathing suits to the mall? Most reasonable people have a basic sense of propriety, and they exercise it when in public venues.
And, I've seen the actual ass of many of these low-riders. I've also seem a few that walk around grabbing their junk the whole time. These are also the same people that tend to walk really slow, take up the entire lane of traffic and refuse to get out of your way even with a polite request.
Gunslinger08
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Do you think it should be illegal to wear your bathing suit in public?
Just because someone is rude doesn't mean they should be arrested. If you do see their bare ass, that falls under public exposure laws.
1) It's a mall, not public property. This has been established.
2) He wasn't arrested because of his pants. The article clearly states that he was arrested initially for trespassing and then for all the other nonsense they created in protest.
Somehow, every other mall-goer seems to be able to go about their business without causing trouble. We can argue about how it's conformist to have to abide by dress codes, how people should be able to express themselves, etc. all day long, but in the end there will always be basic expectations on the behavior and dress of those that patronize public venues.
He's correct though. I read a book about first amendment rights and its relation to corporations and one part of the book was the very issue of malls as town squares. Rulings have gone both ways but there are undoubtedly times when private property owners are forced to treat their property as if it were public. This was in relation to speech, I don't think it ever mentioned dress code.
Cogman
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Sorry, but if they think this is racism, they need to spend a week in the Dominican Republic. There Hatians are blamed for everything and hence it is not uncommon for a gang of Dominicans to gather together to beat up the Hatian. These people where arrested for, surprise, Breaking the law. Imagine that, you break the law, you get arrested.
Not to completely hijack the thread, but I'd venture a guess that the majority of American adults have, in their lives, committed 1-2 crimes. They might not have been arrested, but I'd be willing to bet they've broken the law at some point.
Let's not count stuff like running a red light or crap like that. I don't think that's the type of crime he was speaking of.
I was pointing to drug dealing/drug related crimes. The violent ones will fucking cut you up if you look at them wrong. But that's pretty much how every gang member acts like. Ask any Haitians living down here in FL, and they'll admit there's major problems with their own race, coming from a violent country and having little to no money when coming to the US.
Sumguy
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*shrug* Im a pretty chill Haitian, so are most of the other Haitians I know. It really depends on where you go, but yeah you really do not want to mess with Haitian gangs (or any gang really). Haiti is all kinds of messed up right now, any Haitian will admit that, and it does have some effect. Oddly enough, when I talk to my friends they usually say their country is worse than Haiti in terms of violence and such (the ones that come from South America, anyway), but its usually in that sort of competitive mood of "my country ships more drugs than yours".
ViRGE
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Thanks.
The point I'm trying to get at alkemyst is that malls aren't considered fully private places in all cases; some of the time they are held to rulings that force them to act as more public places, and this isn't just in California for a single case. This has no direct impact on Mr. Baggy Pants in the story, but I'm just saying it's factually incorrect to say that malls can do whatever they want.
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In S. Florida the haitian gangs are very bad. Unlike normal gangs that really only target rival gang members, the haitian gangs seem to be targeting all young haitians that won't join up with them. A lot of haitian families are moving out of the major cities here because of this. It's been talked about a lot on the news lately and in the paper.
This family is really doing a disservice to their own race by contributing to the 'gang look'...I am all for freedom of expression, but the baggy pants issue is more on indecentcy to the average person as well as being related to a group that is criminal.
The person in question had been banned from the mall already for his dress and attitude.
MotionMan
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It is not like he was wearing Muslim garb or tefilin and talis. He was wearing his clothes in a way that is closely associated with gangs and criminal behavior (which is probably why he wears his clothes that way) so he should always expect that he is going to be closely watched and given a short leash on his behavior.
Really, if you dress like a criminal, you should expect to treated like one. In the end, he and his family even obliged by acting like criminals.
MotionMan
Really, if you dress like a criminal, you should expect to treated like one. In the end, he and his family even obliged by acting like criminals.
MotionMan
Why has not the baggy pants fad expired yet? There's no accounting for taste but come on, they are called fashion trends for a reason; they are expected to change. Unless I missed something and they did fall out of fashion and are now considered retro cool? Personally, once fashion becomes fussy (i.e. requires constant attention and/or maintenance and/or impedes mobility) it's a bit too flamboyant for me. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
yesssir just the same way clubs/bars/etc have dress codes in place ...i mean some places you can't even get in if the bouncer doesn't like how you look, i can't imagine if this fool was in line at Marquee or Cain, etc in NYC.
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