Baggy pants dude pwn'd

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: LS21
as long as his actual cheeks werent showing, you cant refuse someone based on the way they dress

I private mall can refuse someone for WHATEVER reason they wish.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: altonb1

The Legers say their Haitian heritage and treatment at the mall are not coincidental.

Meh

plus I don't know what part of the Haitian heritage had baggy pants to begin with.

 

[waggy]

wonder how long before they file a lawsuit.

Originally posted by: LS21
as long as his actual cheeks werent showing, you cant refuse someone based on the way they dress

hahahhah yeah sure.

 

[oiprocs]

We should have ended rap music a long time ago.

 

[jagec]

"We feel like we've been prejudiced," Marthe said.

True. You should stop assuming that all cops are racist, and concentrate on what actually got you thrown in jail. I'd imagine that the correlation between race and getting thrown in jail isn't nearly as strong as that between resisting arrest and getting thrown in jail. Maybe the white dudes are just a bunch of milquetoasts who don't talk back to the officers, and that's why they don't get arrested.

Originally posted by: OdiN
Obviously expected to not be racially profiled and discriminated against because of being Hatian.

But they knew exactly what would happen - they went there with the intent of provoking a response, and when that response was provoked they cried about it.

No, racial profiling would be if they arrested a normal dressed Haitian for dress code violations, or if they didn't arrest any white dudes who were also wearing the low-hanging pants.

Originally posted by: alkemyst
plus I don't know what part of the Haitian heritage had baggy pants to begin with.

No kidding. If the mall was making a Sikh take off his turban, I'd object. This? Don't make me laugh.

 

[Pepsei]

so how do you wear it low? if i loosen my belt and unbutton my pants, my pants will fall off..

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: LS21
as long as his actual cheeks werent showing, you cant refuse someone based on the way they dress

I private mall can refuse someone for WHATEVER reason they wish.

That's not quite true. Malls are subject to the usual laws of course (no racism/sexism/etc) but they're also subject to certain speech laws in some areas. As they're the modern version of the town square, they're not always allowed to throw people out because as a town square the citizenry has the expectation (and dare I say right) that they can use the space to exchange ideas. These kind of issues only come up rarely, but they do happen.

So no, a mall isn't completely a private business. They do have additional rules they have to adhere to that prevents them from completely limiting who can be on their property. Not that any of this would have made a difference for the family in question.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: OdiN
Obviously expected to not be racially profiled and discriminated against because of being Hatian.

But they knew exactly what would happen - they went there with the intent of provoking a response, and when that response was provoked they cried about it.

No, racial profiling would be if they arrested a normal dressed Haitian for dress code violations, or if they didn't arrest any white dudes who were also wearing the low-hanging pants.

You must have missed the sarcasm.

 

[daveymark]

"The mall doesn't put up with that tomfoolery bullcrap," Hart said.

what about shenanigans or ballyhoo? I bet Mr. Hart putts from the rough

 

[tylerdustin2008]

Idiots. Why don't some people learn to do what cops say? I've seen "Cops" a time or two and if you don't abide they will arrest you, and they will use force if they have to.

If a cop were to arrest a kid of mine, I'd let them. Just because they have probable cause, if they were in the wrong a attorney is in order.

^^^ I don't have any kids btw. I may one day.

 

[HannibalX]

Baggy pants or not, the owner of the private property (the mall) reserves the right to throw your ass out, for any reason. If you refuse to leave you are subject to arrest. This is news to some people, apparently (mainly the arrestee). LOL

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: LS21
as long as his actual cheeks werent showing, you cant refuse someone based on the way they dress

We're not on mother Russia, comrade.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: LS21
as long as his actual cheeks werent showing, you cant refuse someone based on the way they dress

I private mall can refuse someone for WHATEVER reason they wish.

That's not quite true. Malls are subject to the usual laws of course (no racism/sexism/etc) but they're also subject to certain speech laws in some areas. As they're the modern version of the town square, they're not always allowed to throw people out because as a town square the citizenry has the expectation (and dare I say right) that they can use the space to exchange ideas. These kind of issues only come up rarely, but they do happen.

So no, a mall isn't completely a private business. They do have additional rules they have to adhere to that prevents them from completely limiting who can be on their property. Not that any of this would have made a difference for the family in question.

Someone or some company owns that mall (physical building) and rents space to the stores. If that person or company orders you to leave, for any reason, you must leave, or you are subject to arrest as a trespasser.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: LS21
as long as his actual cheeks werent showing, you cant refuse someone based on the way they dress

I private mall can refuse someone for WHATEVER reason they wish.

That's not quite true. Malls are subject to the usual laws of course (no racism/sexism/etc) but they're also subject to certain speech laws in some areas. As they're the modern version of the town square, they're not always allowed to throw people out because as a town square the citizenry has the expectation (and dare I say right) that they can use the space to exchange ideas. These kind of issues only come up rarely, but they do happen.

So no, a mall isn't completely a private business. They do have additional rules they have to adhere to that prevents them from completely limiting who can be on their property. Not that any of this would have made a difference for the family in question.

a mall is completely private, I am thinking you are trying to think behind rose colored glasses.

If a mall official or even a shop owner decides they want you out...there isn't much you can do other than a civil case which is always an option.

These people I am willing to bet have already contacted a lawyer with intent to play this up.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Oiprocs
We should have ended rap music a long time ago.

Has nothing to do with rap music. Has to do everything with trying to emulate a convict though.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: altonb1

The Legers say their Haitian heritage and treatment at the mall are not coincidental.

Meh

plus I don't know what part of the Haitian heritage had baggy pants to begin with.

Ah, but think this over. Haiti is quite a violent country in recent years (well, for awhile now -- there are still UN peacekeepers down there last I checked) so one could argue that violence is inherent to Haitian identity. Therefore, their violent actions in the confrontation with the police were racial responses, and the police were discriminating against their heritage.

Or...

what a clusterfuck of morons.

What she said.

 

[IGBT]

..the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: OdiN
Treated like a second class citizen because you were acting like one...dumbasses.

I agree. People cry racism and that 'white' people wouldn't have been arrested for something like this. Problem is they probably would be if they did follow the same examples. I am sure with the Wellington Mall being in a predominently white neighborhood, whites would outnumber the minorities on any arrest/incident sheet.

I thought they were just white trailer trash until it mentioned they were Haitian. I can picture it happening either way.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I wear my pants on my waist, but I think these laws/rules are ridiculous (yes, some localities have laws against it). If I can't see your actual ass, it's no different from seeing you in a bathing suit. If I can see your ass, public exposure laws cover it.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: LS21
as long as his actual cheeks werent showing, you cant refuse someone based on the way they dress

I private mall can refuse someone for WHATEVER reason they wish.

That's not quite true. Malls are subject to the usual laws of course (no racism/sexism/etc) but they're also subject to certain speech laws in some areas. As they're the modern version of the town square, they're not always allowed to throw people out because as a town square the citizenry has the expectation (and dare I say right) that they can use the space to exchange ideas. These kind of issues only come up rarely, but they do happen.

So no, a mall isn't completely a private business. They do have additional rules they have to adhere to that prevents them from completely limiting who can be on their property. Not that any of this would have made a difference for the family in question.

a mall is completely private, I am thinking you are trying to think behind rose colored glasses.

If a mall official or even a shop owner decides they want you out...there isn't much you can do other than a civil case which is always an option.

These people I am willing to bet have already contacted a lawyer with intent to play this up.

Nah, I know what I'm talking about. There have been several court cases over the years on the subject, and at least a few of the times the courts have upheld that malls function as special places where free speech is upheld on the grounds that they function as town squares. In fact there was a case in California just last week where the justices ruled exactly this way.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Correct, a mall can't do anything it wants nor set any rules that it wants. It still can not discriminate based on race and gender. Perfect example, showing your receipt in order to leave the mall.

 

[Kaspian]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Treated like a second class citizen because you were acting like one...dumbasses.

 

[effee]

They are always able to go back to Haiti.

 

[Red Dawn]

I wonder what kind of criteria they use to determinbe how low is too low for pants?

 

[deepred98]

"We feel like we've been prejudiced," Marthe said.

Does this sentence make sense to anyone?